MY GOSPEL

[Doug]

With respect, it would seem that you have not read my previous posts, for I have reiterated the fact of there being two mysteries referred to in Ephesians chapter three. I have also explained them to the best of my ability, and I stand by that.

I did read them thats why I said you used Eph 3 to uphold your assertion there are two mysteries

 

[Doug]

'For this cause I Paul,
the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God
which is given me to you-ward:
How that by revelation He made known unto me the mystery;
as I wrote afore in few words, whereby, when ye read,
ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ
Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men,
as it is now revealed unto His holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body,
and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:'
(Eph 3:1-6)

Hello @Doug,

With respect, it would seem that you have not read my previous posts, for I have reiterated the fact of there being two mysteries referred to in Ephesians chapter three. I have also explained them to the best of my ability, and I stand by that.

This is too precious to argue over, Doug, and will not edify anyone. I am not going to inflict my understanding of this subject upon you, for it will be flawed at best, and I would far prefer to be reading what the Scriptures have to say about it. For that is not flawed in any way, and is trustworthy.

With my very best regards to you,
I pray that we shall both be blessed with open understanding
in regard to this subject, and receive what we read with minds
open and ready to receive all that is written for our learning.
and pray that we may receive the spirit of wisdom and revelation
in the knowledge of God, to the praise of His glory.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

I have an important question about this verse
[Eph 3:3 KJV] 3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

Paul says he wrote about the revelation of the mystery BEFORE he wrote Ephesians. Which epistle/epistles was he talking about?? Before Ephesians were NON PRISON epistles so could it be one of those?

 

[rebuilder 454]

Hello @rebuilder 454,

We are discussing what is said in the Scriptures concerning the gospel that Paul preached, and why he should define it so catagorically as, 'My Gospel'. We have been saved by God's grace, of that you may be assured. Thank you for your concern.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

All the Apostles including Paul, preached the same gospel.

And no, there is no salvation without Jesus, no matter how I interpret Paul, or overemphasize "my gospel".
Doug is "hyperpauline "

All hyperpaulines diminish and lie about Peter, James, and John.
Even JESUS HIMSELF under hyperpauline doctrine preached a bogus doctrine.

You are not aware of the purpose of the "my gospel" thread.

 

[Doug]

This is too precious to argue over, Doug, and will not edify anyone.

I disagree................................[Eph 3:9 KJV] 9 And to make all [men] see what [is] the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

I think it is vital to discuss this........ how can we make all see the fellowship of the mystery if we dont with one mind show where it is........you dont know who is following this and being edified either

 

[rebuilder 454]

Hello again, @Doug,

Like the Bereans of old, who were commended in Acts 17, I endeavour to receive what I hear with all readiness of mind, and search the Scriptures to ensure that what I am hearing is true.

Yes, I find the web site, believer.com sound, and have also been blessed by other ministries, especially that of The Berean Publishing Trust in London. The works of Dr Bullinger, Charles Welch and Stuart Allen.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

You really need to look into the hyperpauline doctrine.

There is a mountain of hidden meaning in Doug's posts.

I sat under that doctrine and those teachers are cunning and FALSE.

That doctrine contends that only Paul had the revelation of the true gospel. That doctrine emphasizes that Peter James John and Jesus himself preached a different gospel. And I just have to assume that if you adhere to anybody but paul in the hyperpalline doctrine .....you're not saved, according to them.

 

[Doug]

Hello again, @Doug,

Like the Bereans of old, who were commended in Acts 17, I endeavour to receive what I hear with all readiness of mind, and search the Scriptures to ensure that what I am hearing is true.

Yes, I find the web site, believer.com sound, and have also been blessed by other ministries, especially that of The Berean Publishing Trust in London. The works of Dr Bullinger, Charles Welch and Stuart Allen.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

So you say you dont rely on what others say but yet you follow these teachers......who I find wrong by the same scriptures we can both read
They said the rapture was found in Matthew 24 ....didnt I give you the link for it? no comment?

 

[complete]

I have an important question about this verse
[Eph 3:3 KJV] 3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

Paul says he wrote about the revelation of the mystery BEFORE he wrote Ephesians. Which epistle/epistles was he talking about?? Before Ephesians were NON PRISON epistles so could it be one of those?

Hello @Doug,

I have read different explanations of this, but no authoritative conclusion given. The one was, that there was no reason to leave the Epistle of Ephesians to find the answer, that Paul was simply referring to what was said previously, in the chapters before. Punctuation also, being of man's devising, is not always helpful. The epistle to the Romans was the last epistle written prior to the writing of the prison epistles and as we have noted previously, contains mention of, 'The Mystery of Christ', in chapter 16:25-26: but Paul is referring in chapter 3:3, the verse under consideration, to 'The Great Mystery concerning Christ and His Church' (Eph. 5:32).

The Mystery - Appendix to the Companion Bible

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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You really need to look into the hyperpauline doctrine.​

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There is a mountain of hidden meaning in Doug's posts.​

​

I sat under that doctrine and those teachers are cunning and FALSE.​

​

That doctrine contends that only Paul had the revelation of the true gospel. That doctrine emphasizes that Peter James John and Jesus himself preached a different gospel. And I just have to assume that if you adhere to anybody but paul in the hyperpalline doctrine .....you're not saved, according to them.​

'And be found in Him,
not having mine own righteousness,
which is of the law,
but that which is through the faith of Christ,
the righteousness which is of God by faith:'
(Php 3:9)

Hello @rebuilder 454,

Forgive me, but I have not read your previous entries, so don't know where you are coming from on this. I am not sure that I understand what you are saying here, so my response may not be in line with what you intend.
I can't speak for @Doug or the Mid Acts doctrine, for I don't know it. I am an Acts 28 dispensationalist, and in some people's eyes, I could be labeled a hyper dispensationalist like Charles Welch of old, who was so called.
Labels are not my concern, I just want to know Christ and be found in Him. What I have learned from the principle of right division (2 Timothy 2:15), has been invaluable, and I am very grateful for it, but it is Christ Himself Who is my goal: not any doctrinal stance, which though helpful, can lead to division if one's eyes are not stayed on things above, on Christ, the Head, from Whom we draw nourishment within the body of Christ.

I am saved by grace, on the basis of the all-sufficient sacrifice of Christ, my Saviour, Lord and Head, and rejoice in Him. and the promise of life, which God has given to all those so blessed: and reach forward for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus (Phil. 3:14).

Praise His Holy Name!

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[rebuilder 454]

'And be found in Him,
not having mine own righteousness,
which is of the law,
but that which is through the faith of Christ,
the righteousness which is of God by faith:'
(Php 3:9)

Hello @rebuilder 454,

Forgive me, but I have not read your previous entries, so don't know where you are coming from on this. I am not sure that I understand what you are saying here, so my response may not be in line with what you intend.
I can't speak for @Doug or the Mid Acts doctrine, for I don't know it. I am an Acts 28 dispensationalist, and in some people's eyes, I could be labeled a hyper dispensationalist like Charles Welch of old, who was so called.
Labels are not my concern, I just want to know Christ and be found in Him. What I have learned from the principle of right division (2 Timothy 2:15), has been invaluable, and I am very grateful for it, but it is Christ Himself Who is my goal: not any doctrinal stance, which though helpful, can lead to division if one's eyes are not stayed on things above, on Christ, the Head, from Whom we draw nourishment within the body of Christ.

I am saved by grace, on the basis of the all-sufficient sacrifice of Christ, my Saviour, Lord and Head, and rejoice in Him. and the promise of life, which God has given to all those so blessed: and reach forward for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus (Phil. 3:14).

Praise His Holy Name!

In Christ Jesus
Chris

Pauline doctrine is ok.
Hyperpauline is gross gross error.
They diminish and attack Peter, James, John, and Jesus....YES JESUS HIMSELF!!!

You can do your own research.
I happened to sit under that mess for a few months.
Totally bogus.
They sat tons of good things about Paul, abmnd you think, " hmmm, right on! I like these people!".
Then they start the attacks, claiming a high Revelation and intelligence and get so proud of their exclusive mess.
It is hard to sit through as you will learn with Doug.
Ask him about Peter, or any Apostle.
Ask him about Jesus and tell him you want to learn why we do not take him seriously, because JESUS PREACHED THE WROMG GOSPEL.
They also will tell you Jesus failed in his mission, and the cross was plan b.

 

[Doug]

Hello @Doug,

I have read different explanations of this, but no authoritative conclusion given. The one was, that there was no reason to leave the Epistle of Ephesians to find the answer, that Paul was simply referring to what was said previously, in the chapters before. Punctuation also, being of man's devising, is not always helpful. The epistle to the Romans was the last epistle written prior to the writing of the prison epistles and as we have noted previously, contains mention of, 'The Mystery of Christ', in chapter 16:25-26: but Paul is referring in chapter 3:3, the verse under consideration, to 'The Great Mystery concerning Christ and His Church' (Eph. 5:32).

The Mystery - Appendix to the Companion Bible

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

It as you say not totally clear who he wrote to. If it was another prison epistle it could only be Colossians, but Ephesians and Colossians appear to be written around the same time. The only other possibility would be he wrote other non prison epistles, Cant be definitive

 

[complete]

Hi @Doug,

I believe that in the Bible we have the sum total of all Divine revelation. reading it is my source of joy in the Lord. I am not affiliated to any Christian denomination. Like the psalmist, I take the stand that, 'On Christ the solid rock I stand all, other ground is sinking sand, all other ground is sinking sand.'

May God's perfect will be done in each one of us, for His name and glory's sake.
In Christ Jesus
Chris,