Daniel 11 What verse does the end time kick in?

[dad]

The one your think of is a completely different description of antichrist the four verses that I provided prove that

Satan has different demonic beings doing different tasks some deceiving and some destroying

To be clear, name one such description of the AC in Rev that you think I am confused about and who is not 'really' that last king? Ha

 

[Marty fox]

To be clear, name one such description of the AC in Rev that you think I am confused about and who is not 'really' that last king? Ha

I really have no idea why you said “ha”

There is no mention of the ac in revelation but the closes would be the false prophet who is the land beast

Think about it the sea beast is a self glorifying Christian persecuting destroyer who declares to be worshiped as god. This is a completely different description of the ac by the same John who wrote both Revelation and his epistles

 

[dad]

I really have no idea why you said “ha”

There is no mention of the ac in revelation

There is plenty about him there. Obviously. Just because he is not called by the title 'ac' there means diddly squat

but the closes would be the false prophet who is the land beast

'The closes'? try again in proper English

Think about it the sea beast is a self glorifying Christian persecuting destroyer who declares to be worshiped as god.

No. The beast is not a Christian. Gong!

This is a completely different description of the ac by the same John who wrote both Revelation and his epistles

Applying the name to a spirit that exists already also should not confuse anyone. Not sure what your excuse for being confused is?

 

[Douggg]

There is plenty about him there. Obviously. Just because he is not called by the title 'ac' there means diddly squat

Actually it does. The person will no longer be the Antichrist once he has become the beast-king of Revelation 13.

An analogy would be if a Senator became President, he would no longer be Senator so-n-so.

 

[Douggg]

The guy actually invades Israel and is king of the world.

What text are you basing that the Antichrist will the king of the world?

 

[Marty fox]

There is plenty about him there. Obviously. Just because he is not called by the title 'ac' there means diddly squat

'The closes'? try again in proper English

No. The beast is not a Christian. Gong!

Applying the name to a spirit that exists already also should not confuse anyone. Not sure what your excuse for being confused is?

Really you have to go to pointing out grammar mistakes?

I didn’t ,t say say that the ac was a Christian I said Christian persecuting

Once again it’s not about a name it’s the actions and personality’s and purposes that’s different

 

[Douggg]

Dan 11:31 is his second attack. And by 'his', this is the Assyrian. The Assyrian is not the one who confirms the covenant of Dan 9:27 - that is Tyre. These are 2 separate people, see the list of the ten nations of the Psalm 83 coalition.

Tyre is the one who calls himself a god (Ezek 28, Isa 14:2-14 & Rev 12:9), not the Assyrian (Isa 14's Lucifer/ Morningstar is Tyre, who hands over his throne to the Assyrian, same story as in Joel 3 where Tyre 'sells off Judah and Jerusalem to the Greeks'). Tyre is the Dan 7 Little Horn, Assyrian is the Dan 8 Little Horn.

Tyre is not a person, but a coastal city just north of Israel.

 

[dad]

Really you have to go to pointing out grammar mistakes?

I did say say that the ac was a Christian I said Christian persecuting

Once again it’s not about a name it’s the actions and personality’s and purposes that’s different

In what passage of Rev do you claim the beast is NOT the AC?

 

[Douggg]

In what passage of Rev do you claim the beast is NOT the AC?

The role of the Antichrist is that of being the King of Israel, thought-to-be messiah.

The role of the beast-king in Revelation 13 is that of being dictator over the EU.

It is the same person, but in different roles, An analogy, Barack Obama was Senator of Illinois from 2005 to 2008. Then Barack Obama became President of the United States from 2009 t0 2017. Same person, but in different roles.

 

[dad]

The role of the Antichrist is that of being the King of Israel, thought-to-be messiah.

Chapter and verse?

The role of the beast-king in Revelation 13 is that of being dictator over the EU.

Verse in Rev where is says the final king that causes all to receive his mark is just the dictator of the EU?

It is the same person, but in different roles,

There is no king of Israel in Rev that I noticed. So claiming something is 'the same person' is silly

An analogy, Barack Obama was Senator of Illinois from 2005 to 2008. Then Barack Obama became President of the United States from 2009 t0 2017. Same person, but in different roles.

OK, so of course the final king progresses on his quest to power. So...?

 

[David in NJ]

If you are referring to Herod and his dynasty, then technically, yes. They were all the spirit of Antichrist.



The above verse is describing the Crucifixion.

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No. Daniel 11 has already happened.



Of course we do. The timeline is chronological and predictable historical fact. There is no 'transition into the future' with some imaginary gap in between.



Now I know not to take you seriously. Oh well, I may as well finish my comments.



Julius Caesar is a good fit for the above.

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How long did Julius Caesar rule as dictator?

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Many will try and use Antiochus IV Epiphanes as a scapegoat to erase Jesus and the Crucifixion from the Old Testament, especially from Daniel. They hate Jesus so much that they twist Daniel 11 to make it all about Antiochus 'sacrificing a pig' or whatever. They are the spirit of Antichrist.

Do a study on the word 'desolate'. This is a serious word associated with great physical destruction, not 'desecrating the Temple by swine'. This is Bible 101 exegesis.

You @dad are doing something similar in that you are erasing the finished work of Jesus and making prophecy about YOURSELF and how amazing YOU are, and how God only cares about YOU. So naturally, God saved the biggest and best prophecies until YOU were born, right?

There is just no way that important people existed long ago. Why? Because YOU and TRUMP weren't there. You are making the same mistake as most. You are letting your ego interpret the verses to make them exciting to the times YOU are living in. I would suggest you humble yourself and realize that it's not all about YOU and the times YOU are living in.

This verse is describing the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD:



Those that understood Daniel instructed many to leave Jerusalem. The 'time of the end' is the end of the 70 weeks prophecy, i.e., 70AD:



It is well known amongst scholars that the 'desire of women' was to give birth to the Messiah. Obviously, many women at the time of King Herod wanted to give birth to Jesus:



King Herod tried to kill Jesus, remember? He fulfilled the prophecy perfectly. It is finished. Why not appreciate the beauty of what was foretold so many years before? Are you trying to erase all that history from the Bible like the others posting here?

Look:



God of Forces. Think Romans, during the Herod dynasty duh. This is too easy! Why is everyone here trying to delete Jesus from Scripture? Crazy.

100% FALSE

70AD was not "the time of the end"

You people so misunderstand the Gospel because of your own imaginations.

 

[David in NJ]

So what does the bible actually say about or what the antichrist is?

There are only four verses in the bible that mention antichrist

Abomination of Desolation = antichrist / AI image that is given power to speak
man of sin = antichrist
falling away = body of the antichrist
Mark of the Beast = antichrist

There are many scriptures that point to the antichrist

 

[Douggg]

OK, so of course the final king progresses on his quest to power. So...?

So... the different roles the person goes through to become the beast-king sets the entire end times narrative.

Chapter and verse?

There is not a specific verse that directly says the Antichrist will be the King of Israel, thought-to-be messiah.

It is derived from what the role of Christ is and what the prefix "Anti" means.

The role of Christ...

Mark 15:32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

The prefix "Anti" means "against" or "instead of". In the case of the Antichrist, the prefix means both instead of and against Jesus the True Christ.

The Jews (Judaism) are looking for their King of Israel messiah. Some think right after the Gog/Magog event... which the little horn person, as the prince that shall come.... they will mistakenly think he is their long awaited messiah. And he will be anointed the King of Israel, becoming the Antichrist.

 

[Douggg]

 

[dad]

So... the different roles the person goes through to become the beast-king sets the entire end times narrative.

The 'narrative' is that a Satan inspired man comes to power in the end times for a determined time. There are many prophesies about this guy. Whether you want to plot some opinion graph about the various stages of his rise to power or whatever has no real value and seems to result in confusion.

There is not a specific verse that directly says the Antichrist will be the King of Israel, thought-to-be messiah.

Bingo. And lots that indicate he will be a world ruler. No 'king' of Israel is going to decree the whole world must take a mark to buy or sell. About as much currency as if Mayor Mcheese ordered it. He would be laughed out of town

It is derived from what the role of Christ is and what the prefix "Anti" means.

The role of Christ...

Mark 15:32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

The prefix "Anti" means "against" or "instead of". In the case of the Antichrist, the prefix means both instead of and against Jesus the True Christ.

Yes we get that the anti Christ will be anti Christ. Not news, that.

The Jews (Judaism) are looking for their King of Israel messiah.

So what? They are a bunch of unbelievers, who cares what they want? They are not well respected in the world to say the least. Any tin pot 'king' of Israel would not be some world ruler. More of a world joke.

Some think right after the Gog/Magog event... which the little horn person, as the prince that shall come.... they will mistakenly think he is their long awaited messiah. And he will be anointed the King of Israel, becoming the Antichrist.

Some may think that. Others think that battle is near the end of the seven years...etc. Nothing to hang your hat on there.

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Your chart is Israel focused. The Scripture prophesies regarding the AC are not so much. Yes He does invade and set up some evil abomination and try to kill Jews etc. But he also does things that involve the world. Like cause all the world to wonder after him, impose a mark etc.

So... the different roles the person goes through to become the beast-king sets the entire end times narrative.

The bible does not spell that out. Hence your attempt at making a chart that seems to obsess on a tiny country.

There is not a specific verse that directly says the Antichrist will be the King of Israel, thought-to-be messiah.

I know. Not a one.

 

[Douggg]

Bingo. And lots that indicate he will be a world ruler. No 'king' of Israel is going to decree the whole world must take a mark to buy or sell. About as much currency as if Mayor Mcheese ordered it. He would be laughed out of town

The person will no longer be the King of Israel when the buy/sell law goes into effect. The person will be the beast-king at that time.

Your chart is Israel focused. The Scripture prophesies regarding the AC are not so much. Yes He does invade and set up some evil abomination and try to kill Jews etc. But he also does things that involve the world. Like cause all the world to wonder after him, impose a mark etc.

No, the chart is focused on the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27 and end times events.

Some may think that. Others think that battle is near the end of the seven years...etc. Nothing to hang your hat on there.

I was referring to some Jews (Judaism) believe that their messiah (mashiach) will arrive right after the Gog/Magog event.

From the Judaism 101 site ( Mashiach: The Messiah - Judaism 101 (JewFAQ) ).....

"However, the Torah contains several references to "the End of Days" (acharit ha-yamim), which is the time of the mashiach; thus, the concept of mashiach was known in the most ancient times."

 

[Davy]

Certainly by verse 31 it is talking about the AntiChrist.

31 His army will take over the Temple fortress, pollute the sanctuary, put a stop to the daily sacrifices, and set up the sacrilegious object that causes desecration

It blends from the past (the evil Greek king that was a forerunner or precursor to the AC) into the final years of history.


I don't think we really know exactly when the transition happens in the chapter. However, looking at verse 20 and seeing the Trump tariffs and etc it seems to me that this possibly could be a fit.

20 Then shall arise in his place one who shall send an exactor of tribute for the glory of the kingdom. But within a few days he shall be broken, neither in anger nor in battle.

20 His successor will send out a tax collector to maintain the royal splendor. But after a very brief reign, he will die, though not from anger or in battle


If this was a fit, then it looks like that final leader would come after Trump. A vile person slithers in and takes power. Thoughts?

Antiochus Epiphanes in 170-165 B.C. was the historical blueprint type for the "vile person". He took Jerusalem with an army, and went inside the 2nd temple and sacrificed swine upon its altar and spread its broth around inside the temple. Then he setup an altar with an idol to Zeus worship.

I don't see how... one could ever apply that to Donald Trump, who is a Christian, unless it's a Leftist-Communist claiming that.

The KJV calls the one in Dan.11:20 a "raiser of taxes in the glory of his kingdom." That suggests the raising of taxes 'within' his own kingdom, not foreign tariffs. So again, that would not apply to Trump.

 

[Marty fox]

In what passage of Rev do you claim the beast is NOT the AC?

I corrected my post it was supposed to say “I didn’t say the beast was a Christian he’s a Christian persecutor

Every passage because they are different evil entities

 

[dad]

The person will no longer be the King of Israel when the buy/sell law goes into effect. The person will be the beast-king at that time.

You are claiming that the man that will rule the world and have all the world wonder after him will first be a 'king' of Israel. I doubt a leader of Israel could get a job as a janitor in the UN today almost. Nevertheless if that was Scripture, it would happen. Too bad there is no Scripture for that notion though, eh?

No, the chart is focused on the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27 and end times events.

I found it Israelcentric

I was referring to some Jews (Judaism) believe that their messiah (mashiach) will arrive right after the Gog/Magog event.

Oh, well I guess different people have different ideas. The trick is to have them match the bible and actual prophesy. God brings nations down to punish unbelieving Israel in the end as far as I can read it. They go too far and, as in history, get wiped out by God for it. The final battle is demon induced madness (Armageddon) and God simply whacks them all for the foolish effort and returns to earth.

From the Judaism 101 site ( Mashiach: The Messiah - Judaism 101 (JewFAQ) ).....

"However, the Torah contains several references to "the End of Days" (acharit ha-yamim), which is the time of the mashiach; thus, the concept of mashiach was known in the most ancient times."

They seem to be right on that point. Jesus the Messiah is returning.

 

[dad]

Antiochus Epiphanes in 170-165 B.C. was the historical blueprint type for the "vile person".

Yes

He took Jerusalem with an army, and went inside the 2nd temple and sacrificed swine upon its altar and spread its broth around inside the temple. Then he setup an altar with an idol to Zeus worship.

I don't see how... one could ever apply that to Donald Trump, who is a Christian, unless it's a Leftist-Communist claiming that.

Not sure what you are talking about. The OP never suggested Trump was the AC at all. It asked the question if a successor to him that was a vile person might be.

The KJV calls the one in Dan.11:20 a "raiser of taxes in the glory of his kingdom." That suggests the raising of taxes 'within' his own kingdom, not foreign tariffs. So again, that would not apply to Trump.

Good point. However, tariffs do increase costs I think. For example if a country sold the USA a widget, and that widget had a 50% tariff put on it, the result is that it cost more, no?