"TIME NO LONGER" (Revelation 10:6)

[ScottA]

Why can't you just answer my question instead of asking your own question? Answer mine first. I asked: What do you mean that the seventh trumpet "sounds the seventh day of God"?

The reason I did not just answer your question--is because--as Christ also often did, I simply gave you the answer according to the issue at hand, rather than what you believe is the issue at hand.

But to answer your question--that I might be clear: The seventh trump sounds the seventh day as foretold from the beginning, in the seven days of creation. In other words, the seventh trump begins the eternal rest of God and all those who are in Him in Christ. Which is also the beginning of eternal damnation for those who are not in Christ.

 

[ScottA]

What are you talking about?

Because you accused me of not communicating clearly, after you loosely referred to "bodily resurrection", I filled in the part that you were not clearly communicating regarding the resurrection.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The reason I did not just answer your question--is because--as Christ also often did, I simply gave you the answer according to the issue at hand, rather than what you believe is the issue at hand.

No idea of what you're talking about here. There is no reason at all to not just try to be clear when discussing things on this forum.

But to answer your question--that I might be clear: The seventh trump sounds the seventh day as foretold from the beginning, in the seven days of creation. In other words, the seventh trump begins the eternal rest of God and all those who are in Him in Christ. Which is also the beginning of eternal damnation for those who are not in Christ.

I agree with that. Notice how Revelation 11:15-18 talks about the seventh trumpet signaling a number of things, one of which is the dead being judged, which we can see described in Revelation 20:11-15. Do you believe the seventh trumpet will sound when Jesus returns?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Because you accused me of not communicating clearly, after you loosely referred to "bodily resurrection", I filled in the part that you were not clearly communicating regarding the resurrection.

I still don't know what you're saying. Why not just be straightforward? Are you denying that 1 Corinthians 15:22-23 is in relation to bodily resurrections?

 

[ScottA]

No idea of what you're talking about here. There is no reason at all to not just try to be clear when discussing things on this forum.

Apparently you do not think much of the way Jesus handles things. Here is an example of Jesus not answering the question the way the Pharisees wanted Him to:

Then the Pharisees went and plotted how they might entangle Him in His talk. 16 And they sent to Him their disciples with the Herodians, saying, “Teacher, we know that You are true, and teach the way of God in truth; nor do You care about anyone, for You do not regard the person of men. 17 Tell us, therefore, what do You think? Is it lawful to pay taxes to Caesar, or not?”​

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18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, “Why do you test Me, you hypocrites? 19 Show Me the tax money.”​

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So they brought Him a denarius.​

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20 And He said to them, “Whose image and inscription is this?”​

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21 They said to Him, “Caesar’s.”​

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And He said to them, “Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” Matthew 22:15-21​

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Apparently you do not think much of the way Jesus handles things.

What kind of ridiculous thing is this to say just because I was asking YOU for clarification. Are you trying to equate yourself with Jesus? If so, that is foolish. He had a reason for speaking in parables at the time He did, but that doesnt mean YOU should speak in parables or not be clear. Get off your high horse.

Here is an example of Jesus not answering the question the way the Pharisees wanted Him to:

Then the Pharisees went and plotted how they might entangle Him in His talk. 16 And they sent to Him their disciples with the Herodians, saying, “Teacher, we know that You are true, and teach the way of God in truth; nor do You care about anyone, for You do not regard the person of men. 17 Tell us, therefore, what do You think? Is it lawful to pay taxes to Caesar, or not?”​

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18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, “Why do you test Me, you hypocrites? 19 Show Me the tax money.”​

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So they brought Him a denarius.​

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20 And He said to them, “Whose image and inscription is this?”​

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21 They said to Him, “Caesar’s.”​

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And He said to them, “Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” Matthew 22:15-21​

Hey, if you have some reason for not wanting to be clear, so be it, but I see no reason for it. You are not Jesus and I'm not a Pharisee. You think far too highly of yourself.

 

[ScottA]

Do you believe the seventh trumpet will sound when Jesus returns?

Yes. But do not misunderstand--Jesus has already gone to the Father and returned to those born of the spirit of God, whom answer the door when He knocks. Meaning: There is no mass, future return of Christ, but it is as Paul said, "but each one (individual) in his own order."

ἕκαστος hékastos, hek'-as-tos; as if a superlative of ἕκας hékas (afar); each or every:—any, both, each (one), every (man, one, woman), particularly.​

Which is also to say that He did indeed, come "soon" in that "order", at which time He said many things also "must shortly take place." Shortly.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Yes.

So, you're saying "Yes", you believe that the seventh trumpet will sound when Jesus returns in the future, right? Do you believe the seventh trumpet is the same as the last trumpet that Paul referenced in 1 Corinthians 15:52 and said that when it sounds we all will be changed to put on bodily immortality?

But do not misunderstand--Jesus has already gone to the Father and returned to those born of the spirit of God, whom answer the door when He knocks. Meaning: There is no mass, future return of Christ, but it is as Paul said, "but each one (individual) in his own order."

ἕκαστος hékastos, hek'-as-tos; as if a superlative of ἕκας hékas (afar); each or every:—any, both, each (one), every (man, one, woman), particularly.​

Which is also to say that He did indeed, come "soon" in that "order", at which time He said many things also "must shortly take place." Shortly.

You are the one who misunderstands. You are conflating something spiritual with something physical/bodily. The order of BODILY resurrections that Paul gave was Christ's bodily resurrection itself first and next in order to be bodily resurrected are "those who belong to Him" at His second coming. If you continue reading after 1 Corinthians 15:22-23 to the end of the chapter you can see that it was bodily resurrections that Paul had in mind there. That puts the bodily resurrection of all of the dead in Christ as occurring at His future second coming, just as is indicated in 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 as well.

 

[ScottA]

What kind of ridiculous thing is this to say just because I was asking YOU for clarification. Are you trying to equate yourself with Jesus? If so, that is foolish. He had a reason for speaking in parables at the time He did, but that doesnt mean YOU should speak in parables or not be clear. Get off your high horse.

This is not me on a high horse. It is you receiving according to the limit that you have insisted upon. What comes to you by confusion, is not unclear except to those who will not hear. I have spoken more than clearly, in fact, that seems to be your point of contention, even when I speak in the manner Jesus did--you simply don't like what you hear, as it is spoken clearly.

Do you not see the repetition here--things that have occurred down through the ages, when men did not like what they heard? What advice would you think they should have been told over and over again?

"Pay attention, is this not exactly how things have gone in the past? Are you too going to take up the same position, of demanding something more of God, than those who went before got? Are you special--you who speak of high horses? Or should you rather have expected things to go not unlike they went for them, and listen with reverence instead of making demands? What box would you now impose upon God that He should do things different for you--when you should know that He never changes?"​

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

This is not me on a high horse.

Yes, it is. You are trying to equate yourself with Jesus as if we are supposed to speak mysteriously like He sometimes did even though there is no basis for you to do that.

It is you receiving according to the limit that you have insisted upon. What comes to you by confusion, is not unclear except to those who will not hear. I have spoken more than clearly, in fact, that seems to be your point of contention, even when I speak in the manner Jesus did--you simply don't like what you hear, as it is spoken clearly.

You have not spoken clearly at all. I guarantee if we did a poll of anyone who has read your posts, at least 90% would say that you are often not clear.

Do you not see the repetition here--things that have occurred down through the ages, when men did not like what they heard? What advice would you think they should have been told over and over again?

"Pay attention, is this not exactly how things have gone in the past? Are you too going to take up the same position, of demanding something more of God, than those who went before got? Are you special--you who speak of high horses? Or should you rather have expected things to go not unlike they went for them, and listen with reverence instead of making demands? What box would you now impose upon God that He should do things different for you--when you should know that He never changes?"​

Lots of scripture is clear and straightforward, so why do you not ever speak clearly? You come across like you're some kind of new age guru or something who just speaks in flowery language and is never straightforward about anything.

 

[ScottA]

You are the one who misunderstands. The order Paul gave was Christ's resurrection itself first and next in order are "those who belong to Him" at His second coming. That puts the resurrection of all of the dead in Christ as occurring at His future second coming, just as is indicated in 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 as well.

You are thinking as a man of the world, of times. And if you actually knew better, you would know that it is not I who have been speaking to you. How is it that you do not know how this works, and yet you still make claims like you know what you do not and make accusations against the truth being told to you?

Again: Jesus went to the Father who is spirit and is One with Him, meaning: spirit. He explained how He stands (present tense) at the door and knows, and whoever hears and opens to Him...etc. Which began--not in the "future"--but "soon" after He said it at Pentecost, and continues as it is also written, "but each one in his own order." Then comes the end.

 

[ScottA]

Yes, it is. You are trying to equate yourself with Jesus as if we are supposed to speak mysteriously like He sometimes did even though there is no basis for you to do that.

Go ahead, blaspheme the Holy Spirit speaking in me. Should He not speak what is Christ's? Is there anything else you would like to tell Him?

 

[ScottA]

You have not spoken clearly at all. I guarantee if we did a poll of anyone who has read your posts, at least 90% would say that you are often not clear.

Listen...you have answered your own question and your dilemma. "For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?"

 

[ScottA]

Lots of scripture is clear and straightforward, so why do you not ever speak clearly? You come across like you're some kind of new age guru or something who just speaks in flowery language and is never straightforward about anything.

Because I am not speaking the beginning, but the end.

What shall I tell you, "You have no special invitation. Get in line?" Because, unless otherwise called, that is where we all are ("each one in his own order").

Is that plain enough?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You are thinking as a man of the world, of times.

You have no authority to tell me this.

And if you actually knew better, you would know that it is not I who have been speaking to you.

Goodness gracious. Get over yourself. You are very delusional. Yes, it's you and only you speaking to me and you have no idea of what you're talking about.

How is it that you do not know how this works, and yet you still make claims like you know what you do not and make accusations against the truth being told to you?

You are not telling me any truth. You are just making vague comments that can mean almost anything because you don't care about being clear about anything.

Again: Jesus went to the Father who is spirit and is One with Him, meaning: spirit. He explained how He stands (present tense) at the door and knows, and whoever hears and opens to Him...etc. Which began--not in the "future"--but "soon" after He said it at Pentecost, and continues as it is also written, "but each one in his own order." Then comes the end.

The order is Christ's resurrection first and then next in order are "those who are Christ's at His coming". Not one at a time as you imagine. All at the same time at Christ's future second coming. You need to ask God for wisdom because you have deluded yourself into thinking that your faulty mind is the Holy Spirit instead.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Because I am not speaking the beginning, but the end.

What shall I tell you, "You have no special invitation. Get in line?" Because, unless otherwise called, that is where we all are ("each one in his own order").

Is that plain enough?

No, it's not plain at all. You clearly have decided that you have no interest in anyone understanding anything you say because you have deluded yourself into thinking you are God or that God is speaking through you mysteriously. Paul made it clear that Christ's resurrection was the first in order and next are those who are in Christ at His second coming. Not one at a time through time, but at His second coming. That lines up with Paul saying that the dead in Christ will all be resurrected at His coming in 1 Thess 4:14-17 and that the dead in Christ will be resurrected when the seventh trumpet sounds (1 Cor 15:51-52). All at the same time. It couldn't be more clear, but you still can't see it.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Listen...you have answered your own question and your dilemma. "For who has understood the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?"

No, you listen. You don't have the mind of the Lord. You are delusional.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Go ahead, blaspheme the Holy Spirit speaking in me.

I would never do that. I know He is not speaking through you because you are speaking nonsense that contradicts the Bible that He inspired.

Should He not speak what is Christ's? Is there anything else you would like to tell Him?

I'd like to tell Him to please give you some wisdom because you are currently very lacking in it.

 

[ScottA]

You have no authority to tell me this.

How would you know?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

How would you know?

Because no one who teaches falsehood like you has any authority to tell me anything.