JOHN 3:1 ISRAEL MUST BE BORN AGAIN

[Gary Mac]

To be saved unto eternal life you have to believe the gospel that Christ died for our sins and rose for our justification.

But that is not the salvation that Jesus received from Goid in Matt 3:16 when He came to Jesus and renewed his mind and open up all of His heaven in that man. Ands Jesus went one to say we must be born again with that same renewing of mind that he received from go and walk in it as He walks in it, Perfect even as your Farther in heaven is perfect. That was my salvation just as it was Jesus saved from the laws and beliefs for a god of the jews that he was once rabbi of instead.

salvation delivers us from the wrath of God.

My salvation was God came to me as He did in Jesus and these others we read of and saved us from our self beliefs and became in His same image instead, which simp0ly is that of Love ,for God is Love, and the Spirit of and man is that temple of Him, the place He resides in His kingdom Luke 17:20-21.

salvation delivers us from sin

Born of God, born again by the same Spirit be in me is His salvation and we who are born of God it is impossible to be in sin, cannot sin because we are born of God. 1 John 3:9. Made to be righteous, holy, pure and without sin, perfect even as my Father in heaven is perfect, Matt 5:48. He takes away the sins of this world. That is His salvation in man.

doctrine saves us from the error of false teachers

As in Jim Jones doctrine. David Koresh doctrine, Warrn Jeffs doctrine, Catholics doctrine, Mormons doctrine, Muslims doctrine, Pauls doctrine, you name it? There are thousands of them.

As for me God Himself saved me from all of these religious doctrines of man. He did Jesus the same when he saved him from the doctrine for a god and the laws for their beliefs that he was teacher of as well proven in Matt 3:16. That is why Jesus has the way instead of what any man has to say about their salvations that they have made laws to regulate.

Jesus had the way for salvation, that is why I follow him instead of any mans ideas about it. God Himself can only give His truth in man. Matt 3:16 is proof of that.

the nation of Israel will be saved when Christ returns and their sins will be blotted out and they will reign with Christ in the kingdom

Christ never has left. Man who has received from God His same Spirit of mind, are anointed of His same Spirit of mind. Which is Christ in us. In fact He is at your door knocking this day and any man who will open it and let Him in, He will come to you this very day and sup with you and be in you. Rev 3;20. It isnt that He isnt come it is that few will open that door and let God anoint them that they might be that same child of God that Jesus became in Matt 3:16 when God anointed him, which was Christ in him.

Studying who Christ is, is paramount for understanding. Here is how the term Christ came about, a nickname for Christos that Paul introduced at Antioch.

Christ comes from the Greek word χριστός (chrīstós), meaning "anointed one". The word is derived from the Greek verb χρίω (chrī́ō), meaning "to anoint." In the Greek Septuagint, χριστός was a semantic loan used to translate the Hebrew מָשִׁיחַ (Mašíaḥ, messiah), meaning "[one who is] anointed".

Paul came up with that term Christ at Antioch, before that in the old we who are anointed of Gods same Spirit of mind were referred to as Christos, saints.

That is why Paul said we are Christs, Plural, and Christ is Gods.

The term saint is derived from the Latin word sanctus, meaning "holy" or "consecrated." This is, in turn, a direct translation of the Greek word "άγιος" (hagios), which also means "holy." In its original scriptural usage it simply means "holy" or "sanctified."

 

[Gary Mac]

Now you are trying to practice mind reading> Accusing churches of only speculating. How do you know enough to judge them?

Oh not I dont accuse them in speculation at all. It isnt hard to see who is as Jesus was in the Father and who isnt and walk as Jesus did in that same light of mind in God, from God Himself. Holy, pure and without sin.

If you are not part of a local assembly and sittiing under teh gift ministry of a pastor teacher you are in sin and will not mature in the faith.

Only to those who are of belief about a god and has formed their own laws to regulate that belief.

Look at Jesus. He was one of these pastors, or teacher as Rabbi of that jewish belief system, but the moment that God came to him and opened up in Jesus Who He is and all of His heaven in Jesus, the very ones that he once taught from a pulpit, are th every ones who had him crucified for blaspheme, a liar against they belief system.

SO perhaps you can tell me what a pastor or teacher has considered that God Himself has not considered and forgotten who became Jesus teacher proven in Matt 3:16 that He cannot teach Himself and has not considered that some preacher has considered, and God cannot teach me or Jesus His ways?

Here is what Jesus said about that and he was teacher of Gods ways himself and declared this to you. John 16:23. And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

Obviously you have too pay a preacher to hear god for you and cannot hear from God Himself? That is lack from having the same mind be in you who was in Christ Jesus that God puts with man Himself. In that we dont have to ask any man about a truth, God Himself is quite capable of convetying His truths in ma so obvious in all those we read of who God can to and gave them His truths.

8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

Yes only after Matt 3:16.

9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

Same Spirit comes to us all who came to Jesus in Matt 3;16 who will receive Him.

10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

Yes, same One who ascended from heaven in Jesus in Matt 3;16.

11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

But God puts with man the very same as He did Jesus in Matt 3:16 in us all who will receive Him.

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Yes we who are of Christ as Jesus was are perfect even as our Father in heaven is pervfct. Matt 5:48.

13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Yes and become that same child of God as Jesus was His son. Jesus was my brother we have the same Father who is God.

14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

Yes we are the same as Jesus was in the same Father who was his God who sent him and us all who has the same from Him.

15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

Yes Gods spirit in man is Love to have the mind of.

16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

Yes all who are as Jesus was in God are one and the same mind, the mind of Christ.

As long as you withdraw fron physical and regular fellowship with a body of believers you cannot verify your theories (and many of them are wrong) and you will not be used of by God for you will not mature as is written in gods word.

Amen we meet from house to house and tell of the miracles in our lives that we have witnessed by God Himself being the instigator of.

 

[amigo de christo]

yes he is our apostle

No he is not your apostel doug .
Your prophetess is pauline and she leadeth to confusion and destuction .
Had you truly beleived the words of paul
YE had beleived all the words of JESUS and of the other apostels as well .
Pauline is a real sneaky prophetess , and how she has seduced many into her web .
If i didnt love you and care about you , I HAD not warned you .
BIBLE TIME for ourselves and TIME for us all to read the BIBLE for ourselves . cause many been a fleecing folks .

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Only to those who are of belief about a god and has formed their own laws to regulate that belief.

Look at Jesus. He was one of these pastors, or teacher as Rabbi of that jewish belief system, but the moment that God came to him and opened up in Jesus Who He is and all of His heaven in Jesus, the very ones that he once taught from a pulpit, are th every ones who had him crucified for blaspheme, a liar against they belief system.

SO perhaps you can tell me what a pastor or teacher has considered that God Himself has not considered and forgotten who became Jesus teacher proven in Matt 3:16 that He cannot teach Himself and has not considered that some preacher has considered, and God cannot teach me or Jesus His ways?

8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

You can play you rword games all you want and come up with all sorts of human rationalizing why you disobey god but it doesn't work!

You have seen and read it and are now responsible for it.

God does not need your excuses but, you robedience. Paul wrote toe local churches, not to individuals (excpet the Patoral epistles to train those who teach the church).

You wish to alienate yourself from teh body physically- God cannot use you except for the most mundane things.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Yes the apostles were given this command not us

You need help. You have strayed so far from the truth as to become a danger to the people of God. In that case I am glad you do nto fellowship, so you may not pollute the saints.

I am finished . have the last word.

 

[Doug]

And you reject the command of jesus to the Apostles!

8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

As I said this command was given to the apostles only, not us.

If you think you have to follow these commands, you will teach what Jesus taught, which was the law; you will also have to preach the gospel of the kingdom as they did...............you would be preaching that the earthly kingdom was at hand, which it is not at this time

We have been given a "commission" ................[2Co 5:20 KJV] 20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech [you] by us: we pray [you] in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

 

[Gary Mac]

8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

You can play you rword games all you want and come up with all sorts of human rationalizing why you disobey god but it doesn't work!

You have seen and read it and are now responsible for it.

God does not need your excuses but, you robedience. Paul wrote toe local churches, not to individuals (excpet the Patoral epistles to train those who teach the church).

You wish to alienate yourself from teh body physically- God cannot use you except for the most mundane things.

Actually God uses us all who has the same mind in us who was in Christ Jesus the very same as He used Jesus. The difference is we who has received from Obeyed and receivesd just as Jesus obeyed and received from God. We walk as He walk in Hi same light, same signs following.

If that isnt you then you do not follow the ways of Jesus in the Farther at all and has your own god that you have made in your own image.

As for we who are of Christ to be Gods anointed, are in His same image. Not the image of man LOL. Jesus was very clear to Thomas that Spirit that God is doesnt have flesh and bone as you see me. And in Luke 17:20-21, Jesus was very clear where his God resides.

If what Jesus said who he was in the Farther and that we must have the same in us. John 17, is word games for you then you have lost that game and made your own game.

 

[Gary Mac]

Seek ye first the kingdom of God and all His things shall be added to you just as He added them to Jesus in Matt 3:16.

I dont consult with others in their beliefs for christianity, no need to when consultation is with God Himself. I have willed myself to His cause and ways for me to be like Him and in His same spiritual Image that God is.

The moment that you choose to be loyal to Him in His cause for man, you become a witness against yourself.

Not very many here will understand that statement at all.

 

[amigo de christo]

You need help. You have strayed so far from the truth as to become a danger to the people of God. In that case I am glad you do nto fellowship, so you may not pollute the saints.

I am finished . have the last word.

Verily verily i say unto us all
The church should have put GOD , CHRIST first . When the GREAT LOVE for GOD ceased
the only love left could not love its neighbor either . It allows sin
It allows even unbelief . WHEN are we gonna do something church .
I SAY TODAY . As by grace i have been saying for a long time .
TODAY IS THE DAY WE PUT GOD FIRST AGAIN , CHRIST FIRST AGAIN
cause any other love that allow that which DISHONORS HIM to be taught and allowed , IS NO LOVE this sheep gonna sit under my
friend . WE OWE GOD EVERYTHING . But it darn sure aint what i see in most churches at all .

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Seek ye first the kingdom of God and all His things shall be added to you just as He added them to Jesus in Matt 3:16.

I dont consult with others in their beliefs for christianity, no need to when consultation is with God Himself. I have willed myself to His cause and ways for me to be like Him and in His same spiritual Image that God is.

The moment that you choose to be loyal to Him in His cause for man, you become a witness against yourself.

Not very many here will understand that statement at all.

Thus mercifully ends our conversation here.

 

[amigo de christo]

Thus mercifully ends our conversation here.

The moment we chose to be loyal to WHO . who does that man mean by HIM .
For i have seen the things he teaches . And while no man lies all the time
no not even the false prophets , THEY sure can as do the serpent twist truths .
I dont even think HE knows the him is he talking about .
Ronald many are not gonna make it . THEY might even be able to lip the name of JESUS but they are following another jesus .
THE HOLY SPIRIT would not have DONE THAT to a sheep . ONLY THE FLESH can produce such a jesus .
FOR the LOVE OF GOD , FOR THE LOVE OF TRUTH and all that is PURE HOLY AND TRUE
WE got to get back into the BIBLE to learn for ourselves . ITS NOT A SIN TO SIT and enjoy reading it for hours
ITS NOT A SIN to want to JUST THINK ABOUT GOD and LOVE THE TRUTH .
This is known as stirring up . TIME to stir this people UP again . NOW
if the bible bores one but mens teachings excite one , THEN Prepare to wail ON THE DAY OF THE LORD . is all i can say .

 

[Gary Mac]

Thus mercifully ends our conversation here.

You probably want even read this

And sense our conversation I over, this will come to your remembrance every time that you read of Jesus in who he said he was in God and who you are supposed to have the very same. Every time you read what Jesus said, will be that reminder to you. And I pray that someday you actually will see why God sent that man to show you the way to the Father. He in you and you in Him as one as Jesus prayed to God for you to be and so do I. That will be embedded in your mind from now on.

 

[soberxp]

Love each other, and be humble some times.

We all followers of Jesus Christ.

 

[Gary Mac]

Thus mercifully ends our conversation here.

Ask yourself why the ways of Jesus in the Father and said you are supposed to be the same upsets you so?

Your rebuttal isnt with me at all, it is with who Jesus said you would be like he was in the Father if the same Spirit be in you who was in Jesus. It is he you are trying to mute. All that I did was copy and past who Jesus said he was in the Father and you are supposed to have the same in you who was in Christ Jesus. Again ask yourself why that so upsets you?

 

[Gary Mac]

Love each other, and be humble some times.

We all followers of Jesus Christ.

Love comes natural if you have the same Spirit of God who is Love be in you as He was in Christ Jesus. Do all really follow the ways of Jesus Christ to be as he was in the Father themselves, and be of the same One Jesus was of Who sent him?

 

[soberxp]

Love comes natural if you have the same Spirit of God who is Love be in you as He was in Christ Jesus. Do all really follow the ways of Jesus Christ to be as he was in the Father themselves, and be of the same One Jesus was of Who sent him?

If God willing that all will be the same.


2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

2:20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.

2:21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

2:22 Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.

2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.

2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

 

[Gary Mac]

The moment we chose to be loyal to WHO . who does that man mean by HIM .
For i have seen the things he teaches . And while no man lies all the time
no not even the false prophets , THEY sure can as do the serpent twist truths .
I dont even think HE knows the him is he talking about .
Ronald many are not gonna make it . THEY might even be able to lip the name of JESUS but they are following another jesus .
THE HOLY SPIRIT would not have DONE THAT to a sheep . ONLY THE FLESH can produce such a jesus .
FOR the LOVE OF GOD , FOR THE LOVE OF TRUTH and all that is PURE HOLY AND TRUE
WE got to get back into the BIBLE to learn for ourselves . ITS NOT A SIN TO SIT and enjoy reading it for hours
ITS NOT A SIN to want to JUST THINK ABOUT GOD and LOVE THE TRUTH .
This is known as stirring up . TIME to stir this people UP again . NOW
if the bible bores one but mens teachings excite one , THEN Prepare to wail ON THE DAY OF THE LORD . is all i can say .

As for me Jesus had it right. He was the one God sent to show me the way to the Farther, to walk as he walks in it, perfect even as my Father in heaven is perfect, See Jesus in Matt 5;48. And the kingdom of God doesnt come with observation, it is with me, See Jesus in Luke 17:20-21. And in that day that you do see the Father as He really is ye shall be like Him as well. 1 John 3:2.

For you guys that just doesnt seem to be good enough. It isnt I who you are accusing to be false, it is the teacher of it named Jesus in who he said you would be in the Father if you had the same one as he had in the Father and even prayed to the Father that you be in John 17, and evidently as you just stated, you may be able to lip the name of Jesus but has no intent in obeying who he tried to lead you to be Gods anointed for His salvation.,

 

[Gary Mac]

If God willing that all will be the same.

Amen Hiswill is that we all be in His same image, He is Love and resides in man to be in His same image of. Sadly few are like Him and in His same spiritual image that God is, He is a Spirit and man is the temple of it.

2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Amen - Perfect even as our father in heaven is perfect Matt 5:48.

2:20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour.

And His house is not vessels of silver and gold or wood and earth. Luke 17:20-21, the kingdom , the house of God, doesnt come with observation, it is with you.

2:21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.

Amen, righteous, in right standing with God, sanctified, holy pure, and without sin.

2:22 Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.

Yes -- That only a disposition of Love can manifest of you.

2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.

Yes, and Jesus was asked so many foolish questions it who he was in the Father angered strife, and still does today.

2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

Yes and we do not strive to be a child of God, we accept being born of Him His child.

2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

Yes and meekness is giving up the right to yourself in your own beliefs for a god and receiving Fromm God Himself His same disposition. Meekness isnt just being kind, it is a giving of self over to God to walk as He walks in His same light of mind.

Jesus went into a rage in the temple, turned over tables and chairs and made a whip and drove these out selling god to the highest bidder. That is meekness toward the Father but far from meek in mans eyes. I bet they didnt take to kindly of his meekness dont you?

And that is the very reason so many get upset when Jesus is quoted in who he was in God, he drives out these religious minds and the religious mind doesnt want to give up their own ideas for a man as a god.

 

[Jack]

Jesus is the God of Israel!

 

[soberxp]

Jesus is the God of Israel!

Jesus is the Messiah of Israel!