The Alexandria Christian School in Old Egypt And Amillennialism

[Davy]

There are at least 450 "english bibles". (Versions + Translations).
Often there is a "newer" version of the previously new version. "On Sale".

Its a money grab.



The "con job" is....>"we've created a newer version that is created with today's english, and 2 yrs from now, just in time for Christmas, we'll update it". "Think stocking stuffer"...

= Only in it for the money.

What is actually happening with those newer versions is mainly about those within Textual Criticism's principle of creating a new NT revision every time a new piece of NT manuscript fragment is discovered. The Nestle Aland Greek New Testament is on its what, 28th revision?

 

[Behold]

What is actually happening with those newer versions is mainly about those with Textual Criticism's principle of creating a new NT revision every time a new piece of NT manuscript fragment is discovered.

They sell their New bible by saying the language has been updated.
What they mean is..... "we have made doctrinal changes and scriptural omissions, so that its now a more watered down version then before".

The Nestle Aland Greek New Testament is on its what, 28th revision?

'Nestle" changed their manuscript, some years ago.....they revised it, when it didnt need rivision.

What happened is.........their origianal was essentially the Textus Receptus... And then the howling started by the cultists, who hate the KJV...........so, Nestle gave in, and now panders to that crowd, regarding how they revised their manuscript.

 

[Randy Kluth]

There are at least 450 "english bibles". (Versions + Translations).
Often there is a "newer" version of the previously new version. "On Sale".

Its a money grab.

You're judging motives. Shall I then judge *your motives?* Nothing you're saying demands we judge the motive as "greed."

 

[Behold]

You're judging motives.

No, im judging Bibles.......and why they are created for SALE.

Notice carefully...
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Matt 23:14 : ""Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.""" ....This entire verse is omitted from the NIV

Mark 15:28. : """And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And He (Jesus) was numbered with the transgressors."" ...This entire verses is omitted from the NIV

Luke 4:4. : "by every word of God"..... is omitted from the NIV

Luke 11:4. : .."deliver us from evil"..... is omitted from the Lord's Prayer, in the NIV

John 4:42.: "Christ",..... is omitted from the verse in the NIV

John 9:35 : .. the NIV mistranslates "Son of God" as son of man

John 6:47 :... the verse says.. ."He who beleives in Me, has eternal life"... the NIV omits "in me".

Acts 8:37 : .. says. '"And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.. .....This entire verse is omitted from the NIV

So, i could post so many more "what is missing, and what should not have been changed".....verses from the NIV.

The NIV is a terrible version.....Its worthy of its position as found the bottom of a dumpster.

 

[Davy]

No, im judging Bibles.......and why they are created for SALE.

Notice carefully...
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Matt 23:14 : ""Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.""" ....This entire verse is omitted from the NIV

Mark 15:28. : """And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And He (Jesus) was numbered with the transgressors."" ...This entire verses is omitted from the NIV

Luke 4:4. : "by every word of God"..... is omitted from the NIV

Luke 11:4. : .."deliver us from evil"..... is omitted from the Lord's Prayer, in the NIV

John 4:42.: "Christ",..... is omitted from the verse in the NIV

John 9:35 : .. the NIV mistranslates "Son of God" as son of man

John 6:47 :... the verse says.. ."He who beleives in Me, has eternal life"... the NIV omits "in me".

Acts 8:37 : .. says. '"And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.. .....This entire verse is omitted from the NIV

So, i could post so many more "what is missing, and what should not have been changed".....verses from the NIV.

The NIV is a terrible version.....Its worthy of its position as found the bottom of a dumpster.

I gotta' agree. Many of the modern English Bible translations are corrupt.

Even The New King James Bible has corruptions that the 1611 KJV Bible does not have. Reason is, and the publisher (Nelson's) tried to hide it with a small reference showing that the NKJV also used Wescott and Hort's corrupt new 1881 Greek New Testament they put together from DIFFERENT Greek manuscripts than what the original KJV translators used.

 

[Behold]

I gotta' agree. Many of the modern English Bible translations are corrupt.

Corrupted Bibles produce subverted Christians.

Here is what i show my class.

"Let say im preaching to a group and i say......lets turn to Acts 8:37, and read where Philip is preaching to/teaching the Eunuch who wants to be water baptized, and Philip tells him......well, you may be, but you have to believe with all your heart in Jesus, first".......as Acts 8:37 teaches.

So, i read the verse, and look up, and half of the audiance is looking around.......confused....nervous.
Why?
Because this verse is not in their NIV.

Now what has just happened?

The NIV has removed a vital verse that proves that FAITH, and Salvation, ... come before the water baptism, and the NIV does not want you to know this.....

= "confusion". "missing doctrine"......caused by a False "bible version"......and this is not of God.

Wescott and Hort's corrupt new 1881 Greek New Testament they put together from DIFFERENT Greek manuscripts than what the original KJV translators used.

Wescott and Hort were occultists, who held seances .
So a couple of Devils are found causing bible's to be corrupted.....and isn't that what devil's do with the word of God.......starting with the original DEVIL in the Garden who cast doubt on God's word by saying.....>>"but hath God said"?

"Is that what He means"?
"shouldn't we look at the originals".


Its the same Satamic game, being played today with "new and newer and newest VERSIONS"...

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

There are "spiritual Jews".



Paul is speaking in context of the church.
Paul certainly knows that Jews, were "chosen" before Jesus showed up.
Did you ever read the Old Testament?
Do you realize this yet, @Spiritual Israelite.

Listen, "context" matters when quoting verses.
Try to remember that...

You are the one who needs to remember that. You're trying to make salvation have something to do with one's nationality when it clearly does not.

 

[Behold]

You are the one who needs to remember that. You're trying to make salvation have something to do with one's nationality when it clearly does not.

Actually, there are a couple of Threads on the forum that are trying to spiritualize Israel, and subvert Paul's entire teaching by claiming that the Gentile Church is become "Israel".
That is a stealthy attack on the Jew........its an anti-semetic false theology.

Also, Salvation is offered to Jew or Gentile by "faith"........in the "time of the Gentiles".

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Actually, there are a couple of Threads on the forum that are trying to spiritualize Israel, and subvert Paul's entire teaching by claiming that the Gentile Church is become "Israel".

Stop your ignorance already. First of all, there is no such thing as "the Gentile Church". There is one body of Christ that is called the church and it consists of Jew and Gentile believers.

Also, there are two Israels, one of which is spiritual in nature and one of which is physical, as Paul indicated in Romans 9:6-8. So, no one is trying to spiritualize national Israel. There is a spiritual Israel and a national Israel. And there is no Gentile Church. So, stop making things up and stick with scripture.

That is a stealthy attack on the Jew........its an anti-semetic false theology.

It's something you have made up in your imagination. No one is being anti-semetic. You just are ignorant and don't understand what others believe.

Also, Salvation is offered to Jew or Gentile by "faith"........in the "time of the Gentiles".

I showed you the context of the times of the Gentiles. Do you just ignore everything I say to you? The context of the times of the Gentiles is the times during which Jerusalem is trampled on and has nothing to do with salvation.

Luke 21:24 They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

 

[covenantee]

Actually, there are a couple of Threads on the forum that are trying to spiritualize Israel, and subvert Paul's entire teaching by claiming that the Gentile Church is become "Israel".
That is a stealthy attack on the Jew........its an anti-semetic false theology.

Also, Salvation is offered to Jew or Gentile by "faith"........in the "time of the Gentiles".

What Church do Messianic Jews belong to?

Hint: The same Church as Messianic Gentiles.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

What Church do Messianic Jews belong to?

Hint: The same Church as Messianic Gentiles.

Exactly. I've seen multiple people reference this imaginary "Gentile Church" and I don't know where they get that from. Just a complete lack of understanding of the New Testament, I guess.

 

[Davy]

Actually, there are a couple of Threads on the forum that are trying to spiritualize Israel, and subvert Paul's entire teaching by claiming that the Gentile Church is become "Israel".
That is a stealthy attack on the Jew........its an anti-semetic false theology.

Also, Salvation is offered to Jew or Gentile by "faith"........in the "time of the Gentiles".

But in reality, both you and Spiritual Israelite are missing an important part of Bible history on that matter.

God split the old kingdom of Israel first in Solomon's day. Then He scattered the northern ten tribe "kingdom of Israel" first among the Gentiles (as He warned in Deut.4 & 28).

Later, when the "house of Judah" also fell away, He scattered the majority of them too among the Gentiles. Only a small remnant of the "house of Judah" returned to Jerusalem after their separate Babylon captivity. The larger body of Jews captive in Babylon stayed in Babylon, and then were scattered like the ten tribes were.

The majority of the ten scattered tribes to new lands became Christ's early Church, along with believing Gentiles, and a remnant of Judah scattered with them. Thus James' Message in James 1 to the 12 tribes scattered abroad, which was a Christian Message to those the Church in those new lands. Those new lands were Asia Minor and Europe.

The prophecies God gave through His prophet Hosea accounts for God having done this, using the 'seed' of scattered Israel to establish Christ's Church under The Gospel in new lands. And that is why Apostle Paul in Romans 9 quoted from the Book of Hosea to Roman Gentile Christians, when the Book of Hosea was specifically... written only to the ten tribe "house of Israel".

The reality is like what happened to Joseph when he was sold into Egypt. On a larger scale, that is what happened to the scattered ten lost tribes of Israel. Per Hosea, God said the ten tribes would lose their heritage and knowledge of being part of old Israel, forgetting God's feast days and sabbaths, and would become like Gentiles living among Gentiles.

Joseph didn't forget his heritage, but he did assume a certain level of Gentile culture during his time in Egypt, enough to where his other brethren didn't recognize him. God had also said in Hosea that Judah at that time was still faithful to Him, and that would not happen to the Jews of the "house of Judah", and so it was, the 3 tribe "house of Judah", the Jews, kept knowledge of God's feast days and sabbaths, and the law, etc., and continue to know their heritage as part of the seed of Israel, even as it still is to this day.

Thus God used the scattered ten lost tribes of Israel to help establish Christ's Church in Asia Minor and Europe, and the history of their being scattered to the west from Assyria can be documented:

Missing Links Discovered In Assyrian Tablets THE BEST BOOK Concerning Lost Tribe

www.artisanpublishers.com

 

[Behold]

But in reality, both you and Spiritual Israelite are missing an important part of Bible history on that matter.

Here is the reality.

Jews, are Jews.
Jesus was a Jew, and his own linage, HIS bloodline that came before He was born.... contained a non-jew, a Moabite.

Listen, this "replacement theology:" that some hostile anti-semite has some of you chasing on the forum......is NOTHING but serious "click bait". Troll.
He's gaming you, for the carnal thrill of it., because He's what Jesus refers to in Luke as having "inner darkness".

So....Right now......in Israel... there are 6.4+ Million Jews........Ethnic - Hybrid... and of the 12 Tribes.
The 144,000 who are going to stand up, in the Trib......will be calling them all, and also those not yet returned to Israel.... no matter their eye or hair color or height.

 

[covenantee]

Here is the reality.

Jews, are Jews.
Jesus was a Jew, and his own linage, HIS bloodline that came before He was born.... contained a non-jew, a Moabite.

Listen, this "replacement theology:" that some hostile anti-semite has some of you chasing on the forum......is NOTHING but serious "click bait". Troll.
He's gaming you, for the carnal thrill of it., because He's what Jesus refers to in Luke as having "inner darkness".

So....Right now......in Israel... there are 6.4+ Million Jews........Ethnic - Hybrid... and of the 12 Tribes.
The 144,000 who are going to stand up, in the Trib......will be calling them all, and also those not yet returned to Israel.... no matter their eye or hair color or height.

Right now in the world there are 8 billion Jews.

Because after more than three millennia of natural genetic dispersion and diffusion since Abraham, Abraham's genome is part of every person on the planet.

The Jewish community itself bears witness.

Abraham lineage
DNA Tests Could Fulfill God’s Promise to Abraham by Revealing Millions of Jews. But How Jewish is Jewish Enough?
Israel in all of Us? Research finds 'Jewish genes' in unusual places
Jewish-Roots Arabs in Israel
Tracing the lost tribes to Jewish communities in Africa
Nigeria's Igbo Jews: 'Lost tribe' of Israel? - CNN
http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/...-africa-has-jewish-roots-genetic-tests-reveal
https://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/...her-claims-proof-of-tribe-of-Ephraim-in-India
https://www.jta.org/2013/05/23/life...bush-bani-israel-tribe-claims-jewish-heritage

 

[Davy]

Here is the reality.

Jews, are Jews.
Jesus was a Jew, and his own linage, HIS bloodline that came before He was born.... contained a non-jew, a Moabite.

Listen, this "replacement theology:" that some hostile anti-semite has some of you chasing on the forum......is NOTHING but serious "click bait". Troll.
He's gaming you, for the carnal thrill of it., because He's what Jesus refers to in Luke as having "inner darkness".

So....Right now......in Israel... there are 6.4+ Million Jews........Ethnic - Hybrid... and of the 12 Tribes.
The 144,000 who are going to stand up, in the Trib......will be calling them all, and also those not yet returned to Israel.... no matter their eye or hair color or height.

Men's theory called Replacement Theology does not exist. So please don't try and stick that moniker on me. If you had actually read... and understood... what I posted before, you might have come to realize what the actual Bible Scripture teaches on this matter involving the relationship that the seed of Israel has with Christ's Church according to God's Plan. It AIN'T just about JEWS either.

It's kind of obvious that you are confused on that term 'Jew' also.

Per the Jewish historian Josephus who lived around 100 A.D., he said the title of Jew is what ONLY those of the southern kingdom of Judah used for themselves, and all the strangers that lived in Jerusalem-Judea with them. Now that involved ONLY a remnant of Israelites from THREE TRIBES that made up the "house of Judah", also known as the "kingdom of Judah" after God split old Israel into TWO separate kingdoms (1 Kings 11 forward).

Josephus said that title of JEW is derived from the sole tribe of JUDAH, and is what those who returned to Jerusalem from the Babylon captivity used to call themselves, as also all the strangers that returned with them.

Per The Bible, ONLY those of the southern "kingdom of Judah" (also known as the "house of Judah"), went captive to Babylon by king Nebuchadnezzar. All the ten northern tribes of Israel had already been removed by the kings of Assyria about 120 years prior to that.

Thus the title of JEW was NOT used by the ten northern tribes of Israel.

But because of the Biblical illiteracy of many brethren today who have not studied their Old Testament history about this matter, they have FOLLOWED ORTHODOX JUDAISM'S usage of the word JEW to apply to ALL born Israelites, of both history, and still living today. There are even LIARS among those Jews that try to claim that ALL the ten lost tribes of Israel had already returned to Jerusalem, and are scattered no more today!

And IF... you do begin to understand who that title of JEW actually applies to per God's written Word, and history, then you might be able to free yourself from an old Jewish tradition by the Orthodox Jews. But you will have a hard time convincing other Christian brethren about this, because if they don't study their Old Testament history about it, then they will continue in the error of calling all Israelites as Jews.

 

[Davy]

What Church do Messianic Jews belong to?

Hint: The same Church as Messianic Gentiles.

Then why do those Jewish converts prefer to use the label Messianic Jews instead of the title of CHRISTIAN which the Church at Antioch used for themselves?

It ain't hard to grasp why, not for me at least. Those Jewish converts are STILL... trying to retain their JEWISH TRADITIONS, and connections with their Jewish brethren still under JUDAISM.

And that is why... there are some QUESTIONABLE doctrines among Messianic Jewish converts to Christ Jesus, when the whole Christian Church should be in like agreement. And they cannot use the excuse of denominationalism either, since some of the doctrines of Messianic Judaism do not exist among Christian denominations.

 

[covenantee]

Then why do those Jewish converts prefer to use the label Messianic Jews instead of the title of CHRISTIAN which the Church at Antioch used for themselves?

It ain't hard to grasp why, not for me at least. Those Jewish converts are STILL... trying to retain their JEWISH TRADITIONS, and connections with their Jewish brethren still under JUDAISM.

And that is why... there are some QUESTIONABLE doctrines among Messianic Jewish converts to Christ Jesus, when the whole Christian Church should be in like agreement. And they cannot use the excuse of denominationalism either, since some of the doctrines of Messianic Judaism do not exist among Christian denominations.

Messianic Jews are far more Christian than dispensationalists are, because Messianic Jews embrace the complete fulfillment in Christ of His New Covenant.

Dispens, by contrast, deny that fulfillment because of their deluded insistence that it is not yet fulfilled because the Jews as a nation have not yet accepted Christ.

Thus dispens, in typically arrogant ignorance, claim to know more about Jews than Jews know about Jews.

I'll take a Messianic Jew over a dispen.

Every time.

 

[Davy]

Messianic Jews are far more Christian than dispensationalists are, because Messianic Jews embrace the complete fulfillment in Christ of His New Covenant.

The above proves even more what I stated, the FAKE elitism some of the Messianic Jews have about themselves. They're like the old joke about a certain Protestant denomination where a believer dies and goes to Heaven, and speaking with Peter sees a wall existing, and asks what's that for. And Peter says, that's for the Church of <denomination>, they like to think they're the only ones here.

 

[covenantee]

The above proves even more what I stated, the FAKE elitism some of the Messianic Jews have about themselves. They're like the old joke about a certain Protestant denomination where a believer dies and goes to Heaven, and speaking with Peter sees a wall existing, and asks what's that for. And Peter says, that's for the Church of <denomination>, they like to think they're the only ones here.

If embracing the complete fulfillment in Christ of His New Covenant is elitism, then we need every elitist there is and more.

 

[Davy]

If embracing the complete fulfillment in Christ of His New Covenant is elitism, then we need every elitist there is and more.

Most Messianic Jews are just a very thin line from Judaism, the Jew's religion which Lord Jesus and Apostle Paul rebuked.