Scripture shows it people no longer abiding with God that once did, Adam and eve, the prodigal son come to mind
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Deflections won't change anything. Because one passage reminds you of another doesn't add words that aren't there.
Much love!
So, your examples are not Christians.
Typical of a Mary Cult victim, to not realize it.
Listen.... in the NT.. (thats a bible) ...where you find Christians, .......who have Trusted in Christ and are born again.....
its the "Born again" that is how you Abide "IN Christ"......as you have to be IN HIM.....and you cant get there by doing works... so that means you can't remain there by doing works.
So, "abiding IN HIM">. is to be IN HIM........by spiritual birth....and there is no other way to abide IN Him., and this isnt what a person does for themselves...so, they can't stop it......as they didnt cause it.
GOD puts the born again "in Christ'...and that is Eternal abiding.
Its not deflection its a direct contradiction to your claim. You people hate being told youre wrong dont you? Its hilarious
You dont stop do you skippy?
I dont care what you say. You are not to be listened to. everything you post moves people further away from the truth
Taken
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No. Perfect is to NOT have the Desire, Will, Ability To ever Not Believe IN God…. To Ever Stand Against God.
In the Garden, Adam was Provided, and Offered Salvation…and Didn’t Reach out and TAKE it.
Actually Adam and Eve, were Forgiven…and Sent toward the Exit of the Garden… passing by the Tree of Life, to which … even Then they could have Reached out And TAKEN…and Received their Salvation right Then.
Taken
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You are evading the point, your "you people . . ." comments aside.
You've added something that is not in the passage that changes the meaning, and you'd do well to recognize that.
Adding to Scripture is not really funny to me, so I don't find this hilarious myself.
Much love!
marks
Just because you say so means nothing.
Let's try again -
Please explain the following and how I'm ASSUMING anything...
John 15:2
2“Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away;
Here are the questions at hand:
1. What does it mean if someone is IN CHRIST?
2. Does it state that this person does not bear fruit?
3. What happens to that person that does not bear fruit?
We're not riding down some street pointing at houses....
We're discussing what JESUS taught.
Let's say that I'd like an answer USING SCRIPTURE
and not YOUR opinion about something or other.
Guess you're UNABLE to reply because scripture is very plain, simple and easy to understand.
For those who HAVE EARS TO HEAR...
apparently some do not want to hear
but instead spend time giving their own opinion about what GOD WANTS US TO KNOW.
Baptized into Christ.
If one of these does not bear fruit . . .
The Father carries that one away.
The branch that does not abide in Christ . . . wait for it . . . is not "in Christ".
Much love!
Yes, and we are taking it seriously, I hope, and not just playing word games to avoid reality.
This verse does not - emphatically does not - teach that one who is In Christ will ever not be In Christ.
Much love!
You're going to have to do a better job of it marks.
It's really simple.
Let's try again:
John 15:2
2“Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away;
This NEVER WAS IN THE VINE, WAS NOT ABIDING IN CHRIST, WAS NEVER SAVED TO BEGIN WITH just doesn't work.
Here's why.
JESUS is teaching something here. It's a warning.
HE said that the branch is IN HIM.
IN HIM means that the person is a saved person.
UNsaved persons are NOT in Christ.
This saved person does not bear fruit.
God takes it away. It is cut off, severed.
It is burned....not doubt that it is taken away, cut off, severed.
see verse 6.
Yes marks.
It's tough going when presented with the truth.
I, OTOH, would be willing to restate MANY TIMES what I posted
because it's THE TRUTH.
Easy to post the truth.
Difficult to deal with it.
As a parting geture (till next time)
here it is again for your purusal:
John 15:2
2“Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away;
Three questions need replying.
1. Who is IN CHRIST?
2. Who is not bearing fruit?
3. What happens to that person?
Can't handle it?
@GodsGrace
Then that makes Christ culpable, He is responsible as the vine to cause the fruitfulness. The branches cant bear fruit of themselves, the life is in the root, the vine. So you may need to think through what you saying. Jesus as the Vine/Root said without Him they could do nothing Jn 15:5
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Was He in those branches that didnt bear fruit ?
Then that makes Christ culpable, He is responsible as the vine to cause the fruitfulness. The branches cant bear fruit of themselves, the life is in the root, the vine. So you may need to think through what you saying. Jesus as the Vine/Root said without Him they could do nothing Jn 15:5
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Was He in those branches that didnt bear fruit ?
BF,,,,those that believe in OSAS or Perseverance of the Saints will not read scripture as it is plainly stated.
So, I'll try again.
John 15:1-6
1“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser.
2“Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit.
3“You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you.
4“Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me.
5“I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing.
6“If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned.
Verse 1 Jesus is the vine. Father is the vinedresser.
Verse 2a Branches IN JESUS ......
If one is IN JESUS he is a saved person.
If that saved person does NOT bear fruit...
God Father takes away that person.
IOW,,,the saved person is removed from the vine.
Do you think that a person that is removed from the vine is still saved??
Verse 2b Now pay attention to this:
Persons that do produce fruit get "pruned" so that they could produce even more!
Verse 3 Those that are saved and bearing fruit will be pruned back. (those obeying God)
Verse 4 Jesus is saying to ABIDE IN HIM....Abide means to CONTINUE TO LIVE IN CHRIST.
If Jesus is stating that we are to CONTINUE abiding in Him...
it means that it's possible to STOP ABIDING In Him.
And WHY should we CONTINUE to live In Him?
So we could bear fruit...
Otherwise, we will not bear fruit - if we do not continue to abide In Him.
This is a warning.
Verse 5 Jesus is the vine....we are the branches....the person that ABIDES in Jesus will bear fruit.
If we are not In Jesus we will not bear fruit.
If we are In Jesus and DO NOT bear fruit...God will cut us away.
Verse 6 If someone does not ABIDE In Christ he will be thrown away like a branch, dried and burned.
We must read all scripture and reconcile it.
If we are not In Jesus we will not bear good fruit...this goes without saying.
If we are In Jesus (saved) but do not bear fruit...we will be cut off, taken away.
Why?
Because we are not obeying God.
John 14:15
15If you love me you will obey My commandments.
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