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Revelation 16:3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
This was not a bowl of wrath to come, but a revelation of what occurred before the foundation of the world, first made manifest in the garden of Eden story of original sin as "in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”

The second bowl revelation was an image of "every living soul" dying in the spirit--which is to say: in God above (the spirit is depicted as "the sea", as in (the waters above and below the firmament). Which is to say, the revelation was not prophecy, but rather a revelation of what was and was to come during the times of this world since the beginning in the garden and unto the end.

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This was not a bowl of wrath to come, but a revelation of what occurred before the foundation of the world, first made manifest in the garden of Eden story of original sin as "in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”

The second bowl revelation was an image of "every living soul" dying in the spirit--which is to say: in God above (the spirit depicted as "the sea", as in (the waters above and below the firmament). Which is to say, the revelation was not prophecy, but rather a revelation of what was and was to come during the times of this world since the beginning in the garden and unto the end.

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The seven vials of God's wrath are to take place during the great tribulation. The great tribulation will end with Jesus's return..


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The seven vials of God's wrath are to take place during the great tribulation. The great tribulation will end with Jesus's return..


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You persist with your timeline doctrine, so I will ask you personally:

Since it is written that Christ first came and then went to the Father--what do you say for yourself--Has He returned from the Father and come into you?
 

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You persist with your timeline doctrine, so I will ask you personally:

Since it is written that Christ first came and then went to the Father--what do you say for yourself--Has He returned from the Father and come into you?
Your question is flawed. When Jesus returns, He will be seen coming in the clouds of Heaven with power and great glory.

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
 

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Your question is flawed. When Jesus returns, He will be seen coming in the clouds of Heaven with power and great glory.

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
I just can’t keep reading this Jesus is coming stuff over and over without warning you of what’s about to happen.

First off, Jesus is not returning, his return in his kingdom with all power and glory was at the resurrection.

What has ALREADY HAPPENED is the human neurological system IS RIGHT NOW completely hackable. “They” can dial in to your MAC address (yes you have a MAC address vaccinated or not) and make you see, hear or think whatever they want.

What is ABOUT TO HAPPEN is, using the electronics in your body right now, “they” will transmit a FAKE second coming/alien invasion directly to you’re brain. It will be as real to you as if it really was happening.

Don’t do anything this fake Jesus in your mind tells you to do, it will lead to your demise.

I know where you stand and I’m not going to debate you on why what I say is not true but I can’t just sit here and not warn you about what’s coming.
 
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I just can’t keep reading this Jesus is coming stuff over and over without warning you of what’s about to happen.

First off, Jesus is not returning, his return in his kingdom with all power and glory was at the resurrection.

What has ALREADY HAPPENED is the human neurological system IS RIGHT NOW completely hackable. “They” can dial in to your MAC address (yes you have a MAC address vaccinated or not) and make you see, hear or think whatever they want.

What is ABOUT TO HAPPEN is, using the electronics in your body right now, “they” will transmit a FAKE second coming/alien invasion directly to you’re brain. It will be as real to you as if it really was happening.

Don’t do anything this fake Jesus in your mind tells you to do, it will lead to your demise.

I know where you stand and I’m not going to debate you on why what I say is not true but I can’t just sit here and not warn you about what’s coming.
They can't do it yet. You think too much.
 

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I just can’t keep reading this Jesus is coming stuff over and over without warning you of what’s about to happen.

First off, Jesus is not returning, his return in his kingdom with all power and glory was at the resurrection.
So, what does Matthew 24:30 mean to you ?

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
What has ALREADY HAPPENED is the human neurological system IS RIGHT NOW completely hackable. “They” can dial in to your MAC address (yes you have a MAC address vaccinated or not) and make you see, hear or think whatever they want.

What is ABOUT TO HAPPEN is, using the electronics in your body right now, “they” will transmit a FAKE second coming/alien invasion directly to you’re brain. It will be as real to you as if it really was happening.
Electronics in your body ? What electronics ?
 

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Your question is flawed. When Jesus returns, He will be seen coming in the clouds of Heaven with power and great glory.

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
...I'll take that as a No.

“A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. John 14:19
 
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...I'll take that as a No.

“A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. John 14:19
I said your question was flawed. So I gave no answer to your flawed question.

John 14:19 is not referring to Jesus's return as is found in Matthew 24:30.

John 14:19 is that Jesus would soon be crucified, and the world, them of Jesus's day, would not see him when he comes back to life from the grave. But Jesus did appear to the disciples after his resurrection that they would believe and trust in Him to have eternal life.
 

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They can't do it yet. You think too much.
I’m walking right now so I can only give you a Chatgpt response for now but there are several websites you can go to to see videos of doctors, scientist and network engineers talk about what they can be. But the caveat is they call it telehealth and never bring up the nefarious dual use aspect of the technology.
Microchips Are Already Being Grown Inside the Human Body

Most people still imagine microchips as little pieces of silicon made in a factory and surgically implanted. That’s old news. What’s happening right now is far more advanced: scientists are growing and assembling electronics directly inside living tissue.

This isn’t speculation — it’s published research and active trials.


Injectable Electronics
Today, researchers are already injecting liquid electronic materials (like conductive polymers and nanoparticles) into the body. Once inside, they self-assemble into working circuits.

  • Example: Harvard & Linköping University (2022) successfully grew electronic tissue inside live brains by turning injected gel into electrodes.

Self-Assembling Circuits
Your body’s own chemistry can guide nanowires and transistors to form inside tissues. DNA and proteins are being used like scaffolding, telling conductive materials where and how to build.


Electronic Tissue / Neural Mesh
These aren’t just “implants” anymore. The technology is called electronic tissue or neural mesh, and it can merge with nerves, monitor signals, and even influence brain activity.


Already Here, Not Coming Later
These devices aren’t called “chips” in the RFID sense. Researchers call them:

  • In vivo–grown electronics
  • Electronic tissue
  • Injectable mesh electronics
  • Self-assembling bioelectronics
But make no mistake — the effect is the same: the body itself is being turned into the host for electronic circuits.


Bottom line: This is not future tech. It’s happening now. Electronics are already being grown inside living bodies. The line between biology and technology is being erased in real time.

I’m quite sure they’re decades beyond what chatgpt has allowed us to see.
 
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I’m walking right now so I can only give you a. Chatgpt response for now but there are several websites you can go to to see videos of doctors, scientist and engineers talk about what they can be. But the caveat is they call it telehealth and donor bring up nefarious dual use aspect of the technology.

Microchips Are Already Being Grown Inside the Human Body

Most people still imagine microchips as little pieces of silicon made in a factory and surgically implanted. That’s old news. What’s happening right now is far more advanced: scientists are growing and assembling electronics directly inside living tissue.

This isn’t speculation — it’s published research and active trials.


Injectable Electronics
Today, researchers are already injecting liquid electronic materials (like conductive polymers and nanoparticles) into the body. Once inside, they self-assemble into working circuits.

  • Example: Harvard & Linköping University (2022) successfully grew electronic tissue inside live brains by turning injected gel into electrodes.

Self-Assembling Circuits
Your body’s own chemistry can guide nanowires and transistors to form inside tissues. DNA and proteins are being used like scaffolding, telling conductive materials where and how to build.


Electronic Tissue / Neural Mesh
These aren’t just “implants” anymore. The technology is called electronic tissue or neural mesh, and it can merge with nerves, monitor signals, and even influence brain activity.


Already Here, Not Coming Later
These devices aren’t called “chips” in the RFID sense. Researchers call them:

  • In vivo–grown electronics
  • Electronic tissue
  • Injectable mesh electronics
  • Self-assembling bioelectronics
But make no mistake — the effect is the same: the body itself is being turned into the host for electronic circuits.


Bottom line: This is not future tech. It’s happening now. Electronics are already being grown inside living bodies. The line between biology and technology is being erased in real time.

Read this,so do you think that it is what you talking about?
 

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Read this,so do you think that it is what you talking about?
Thanks. I’ll read it later. I was banned from that forum a few years back and I know ahwatukee very well from debating end times with him and when we were talking, he would’ve never talked about what I’m talking about. But people all over the world are waking up and pray that he has woken up.
 
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So, what does Matthew 24:30 mean to you ?

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Electronics in your body ? What electronics ?
Electronics are in the body is to control and/or kill… I can assure you it’s not for our health.

The sign of the Son of Man marked when Jesus would come again. The Mazzaroth sign of Pisces shows us that the second coming of Jesus happened at the beginning of the Age of Pisces. Pisces, the sign of the fish, has always been tied to Christianity — it was the mark of the early believers and points directly to Messiah’s coming.

This is no different than when Jesus said, “This generation shall not pass…” and “Some standing here will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming.”

All of those verses are markers that give the exact timing of the second coming.
 
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What city was Jesus crucified in.......answer....Jerusalem.

You didn't answer my question, but I will answer yours:

Revelation 11:8 - "And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified."

He was crucified in the 'great city' which, according to Scripture, is a woman:

Revelation 17:18 - "And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth."

You got it wrong @shepherdsword .

What city was Jesus crucified in?

Try comprehending the verses I quoted. Are you even trying? If you can't understand the symbolism, or you simply don't want to, then I may have to give up on you.

The term "Sodom and Egypt" has nothing to do with the underworld. It is a metaphor for certain types of sin.

That's a good start, but it's more than that, much more.

Jesus was crucified in a woman. This is a big deal that you need to connect still. I am trying to help you see it.

Again, go back and meditate on the verse and comprehend it before responding.
 

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Which is the present day spiritually corrupt condition of Jerusalem on earth.

Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar—for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children— but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Galatians ch4

Thank you @David in NJ . You have quoted one of the most important verses that unravels this whole ball of string.

The Old Testament and New Testament are *allegories* for two different MOTHERS AND FATHERS!!!. That's it! That is the entire Bible in a nutshell. I pray folks here wake up and understand how critical this concept is.

The Old Testament is symbolic of Hagar, not the other way around. Therefore, HAGAR IS THE SPIRITUAL CITY in which Jesus was crucified in. Nobody here gets it, yet it is right there in the verses. And for those that are still having trouble, Hagar and Mystery Babylon share the same symbolism!

New Jerusalem is our NEW MOM in Heaven. She has a monthly period, do any of you get this?

Revelation 22:2 - "In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations."

Her 'fruit' is what? Can someone please answer to show me that you have the slightest clue about female biology? Here's a hint, she is a MOM. Get it?
 
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How can you people become Born Again without a mom? Wow, this is not rocket science you know! Please wake up.

How are you supposed to follow the LEAD SEED through the 'gates' of your new mom if you don't understand what is going on?

Revelation 7:17 - "For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes."

You are being trained on what to do in the afterlife. You need to follow the right Seed so that you can be reconceived through the Heavenly Mom. New Covenant. New Body to be born in. New mom. New 'monthly fruit' to partake of. Conception. Understand?
 
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You are being trained on what to do in the afterlife. You need to follow the right Seed so that you can be reconceived through the Heavenly Mom. New Covenant. New Body to be born in. New mom. New 'monthly fruit' to partake of. Conception. Understand?

How are the 'monthly fruits' growing on the Tree if Life fertilized? Go ask an adult if you have trouble. Here, I will show you:

Revelation 22:1 - "And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb."

The FATHER is 'emanating a fluid' from his body to fertilize the 'fruits' inside of his BRIDE. Get it? Conception?

Abraham and Sarah? Does that ring a bell?

The Father has loins. Yep, of course he does. How can he not if he is a Father? What is in his loins? Abraham's Seed!!!

Isaiah 51:1 - "Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the LORD: look unto the rock whence ye are hewn, and to the hole of the pit whence ye are digged."

Rock = Testicles = Abraham
Pit = Womb = Sarah

Euphemism! Meat of the Word.

Isaiah 51:2 - "Look unto Abraham your father, and unto Sarah that bare you: for I called him alone, and blessed him, and increased him."
 

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Rock = Testicles = Abraham

Euphemism! Meat of the Word.

Read and study instead of freaking out:

Leviticus 21:20 - "Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken;"

What is 'his stones'?

New International Version
or who is a hunchback or a dwarf, or who has any eye defect, or who has festering or running sores or damaged testicles.

Stones/Rocks/Abraham's Seed. Put the symbolism together people.

Deuteronomy 32:31 - "For their rock is not as our Rock, even our enemies themselves being judges."

It's time to be adults. Time is running out.
 

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You didn't answer my question, but I will answer yours:



He was crucified in the 'great city' which, according to Scripture, is a woman:
You are confusing Rev 11 with Rev 18. Jerusalem is where Jesus was crucified
You got it wrong @shepherdsword .



Try comprehending the verses I quoted. Are you even trying? If you can't understand the symbolism, or you simply don't want to, then I may have to give up on you.
You posted some out of context verses that obfuscate the real issue.
That's a good start, but it's more than that, much more.

Jesus was crucified in a woman. This is a big deal that you need to connect still. I am trying to help you see it.
Jesus was crucified outside Jerusalem.

Lk 18:31-33 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on: And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.
Meditate on those verses.

 

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You are confusing Rev 11 with Rev 18. Jerusalem is where Jesus was crucified

You posted some out of context verses that obfuscate the real issue.

Jesus was crucified outside Jerusalem.

Lk 18:31-33 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on: And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.
Meditate on those verses.
Revelation identifies the great city as Babylon, the mother of harlots (Rev 14:8, Rev 16:19, Rev 18:10,21). Not Jerusalem.

Also, why did you say that "Jesus was crucified outside of Jerusalem", which is true (see Hebrews 13:12, John 19:20), after saying that "Jerusalem is where Jesus was crucified"? That's contradictory. As for Luke 18:31-33, that is not talking about where Jesus would be crucified, but rather where He would be sentenced to be crucified. Scripture is clear that He was crucified outside of Jerusalem.

John 19:20 Then many of the Jews read this title, for the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city; and it was written in Hebrew, Greek, and Latin.

Hebrews 13:10 We have an altar from which those who serve the tabernacle have no right to eat. 11 For the bodies of those animals, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned outside the camp. 12 Therefore Jesus also, that He might sanctify the people with His own blood, suffered outside the gate.