Daniel 11 What verse does the end time kick in?

[ScottA]

God Himself is eternal. But it was God who gave the time frames to Daniel through Gabriel. Make a timeline chart of the time frames of Daniel 9:24-27 and post it.

I am under no such restriction, nor are these times, but you are restricted by your own affections. And what communion has light with darkness?

 

[Douggg]

I am under no such restriction, nor are these times, but you are restricted by your own affections. And what communion has light with darkness?

So, you are in the dark, and unable to make a time line chart of Daniel 9:24-27 ? Okay, then go your own way.

 

[ScottA]

So, you are in the dark, and unable to make a time line chart of Daniel 9:24-27 ? Okay, then go your own way.

You don't even know what I have said to you.

 

[Davy]

Dad / All,

Daniel's prophecy is one of "sevens": Seventy weeks, and seven weeks, and one week, wherein sixty-two is a riddle. The seven(s) referred to were defined in the creation story (before all language was confused (riddled)), as seven days by example of the evenings and the mornings of this world--but the same word is used simply for "times." Thus, by the time we get to Daniel, confusion has set in surrounding the original meaning--while the creation story of seven days was the matter foretold by God before it sprang forth--which God reminds us of through Isaiah, saying "Behold, the former things have come to pass, And new things I declare; Before they spring forth I tell you of them.”

This is the key to understanding Daniel, according to God, rather than according to His imposed confusion which came a Babel, including "all language", even scripture.

In other words, the overall timeframe of Daniel's seventy weeks--is rather seven "times" which began at the beginning--for the prophecy was for all of Daniel's people...all, meaning: since Adam. Wherein midway Messiah does away with the daily sacrifice by fulfilling it. Which means, there is no "seventieth week" yet to be fulfilled...caused by the riddle of sixty-two weeks...which was eluded to by Daniel in the form of "a time, times, and half a time." In his "times" explanation (as I have also explained), he restates God's creation week preview of history as one overall time, coming in two halves before and after Messiah, dividing the light from the darkness (in half--morning and evening) until the end of time.

Nah... that's turning God's Word into a big allegory, like those at the Alexandria, Egypt school, like Origen who was excommunicated.

The 70 weeks of Daniel 9 is about specific periods starting with the command to return to Jerusalem after the Babylon captivity to restore and rebuild Jerusalem. That involves a SPECIFIC START DATE - first month of Nisan 454 B.C. for the decree, and ending in 405 B.C. with the completion of the walls and dedication of the temple in 405 B.C. That completed the 1st Period of seven sevens, or 49 years. Then from 405 B.C. of 434 years (62 sevens), Messiah was "cut off" upon His cross at 29 A.D. (405 B.C. to 29 A.D. = 434 years, or 62 sevens). The final 3rd Period has still not yet been fulfilled, and is only for one 'seven', or "one week" (7 years) per Dan.9:27. When it is completed, it will fulfill the whole 70 weeks prophecy of 490 years total, which is VERY SPECIFIC.

 

[ScottA]

Nah... that's turning God's Word into a big allegory

Say what you will, but it is God who has declared His creation as "allegory" from the beginning, as being "image"-based. And, as such, it was "very good."

 

[Davy]

Say what you will, but it is God who has declared His creation as "allegory" from the beginning, as being "image"-based. And, as such, it was "very good."

God's Word makes recognizing when it is giving an allegory easy. It's so... easy that's it's almost like someone who is real hungry saying they could eat a horse. It's obvious a hungry person doesn't intend to eat a horse, it's only an expression of feeling of hunger. So when God's Word DOES NOT DO THAT, then it means it is speaking LITERALLY.

But what you have been wrongly taught to do is obvious, taking the LITERAL WORD OF GOD and turning it into some Fantasy with trying to apply allegory to everything. It actually makes you look stupid when you do that, so you are only fooling yourself.

 

[ScottA]

God's Word makes recognizing when it is giving an allegory easy. It's so... easy that's it's almost like someone who is real hungry saying they could eat a horse. It's obvious a hungry person doesn't intend to eat a horse, it's only an expression of feeling of hunger. So when God's Word DOES NOT DO THAT, then it means it is speaking LITERALLY.

But what you have been wrongly taught to do is obvious, taking the LITERAL WORD OF GOD and turning it into some Fantasy with trying to apply allegory to everything. It actually makes you look stupid when you do that, so you are only fooling yourself.

Here we go again, you who take away the key of knowledge, not entering in yourself and hindering those who were!

You would do well not to assume or make accusations, for I was not taught, nor is what I have said my own but His who sent me.

Meanwhile, every created thing is made manifest by the same elements God called an "image"--not literal at all--and every word of revelation therein spirit.

 

[Davy]

Here we go again, you who take away the key of knowledge, not entering in yourself and hindering those who were!

That's strange, that above kind of statement sounds just like what the Occultists of today's initiate fraternities abuse to imply that 'they'... are Christ's true elect!

Can you turn water into wine too?

 

[ScottA]

That's strange, that above kind of statement sounds just like what the Occultists of today's initiate fraternities abuse to imply that 'they'... are Christ's true elect!

Can you turn water into wine too?

I acknowledge God in scripture--you acknowledge occultists. And mock.

 

[Prycejosh1987]

If this was a fit, then it looks like that final leader would come after Trump. A vile person slithers in and takes power. Thoughts?

Jesus has not rapture the true believers yet. Jesus is going to rapture the people before end times gets underway. But i am pre tribulation. I do not know what you are you sound mid tribulation.

 

[Davy]

I acknowledge God in scripture--you acknowledge occultists. And mock.

Those mystics of the Occult secret societies love... to try and use The Bible to supplant themselves as Christ's true elect. That's one of their recruiting schemes.

They say things to new potential members like, "You have come to us for the REAL TRUTH, because you have always known there was more to The Bible than what the Christian churches teach." That immediately puts the HOOK in the new recruit, making them feel... like they have been ordained to SPECIAL KNOWLEDGE.

Then the Occultist quote to them what Jesus answered to His disciples in Matthew 13, that the MYSTERIES of the kingdom of heaven was given to them, but to the multitudes it is NOT given, again trying to make the Neophyte feel they are the REAL Elect ordained to SPECIAL KNOWLEDGE.

Then begins the RE-EDUCATION of what The Scriptures, they say, actually mean! MUCH SPIRITUALIZING of the Word of God JUST LIKE WHAT YOU... HAVE BEEN DOING!

 

[dad]

You don't have a case, your blame the people point is foolishness.

I don't. I actually do not believe that 'we the people' stuff. It sounds like a commercial. In reality a lot is done that the people do not like. You are the one who mentioned 'we the people'. You alluded to how they actually are the government.

It only shows your jealousy of the people of the United States, because "We the people..." DO have the ability to eventually get bad leaders out of office, whereas you Socialist Canadians DO NOT.

You seem to be suggesting that good people sometimes are president? The thing is, if they are good, why are they raging warmongers? Why, for example, does the US bomb people all over? Why do they support the horrors inflicted on the peoples of Gaza? That is not my idea of good.

And already the province of Alberta in today's Canada are prepared to vote to become a part of the United States of America!

Yes, I know. And it seems possible that God will destroy Canada for their many sins. Possibly some of Canada would end up in some sort of union with the USA. That does not mean that the US is pure and good though.

 

[dad]

Your are... basically SIDING WITH RADICAL ISLAM against Israel. Thanks for letting us know who you really are.

You are pretending that the poor victims of starvation and mass murder and destruction of their lands and cities are all bad human beings. That is hateful.

 

[dad]

Dad / All,

Daniel's prophecy is one of "sevens": Seventy weeks, and seven weeks, and one week, wherein sixty-two is a riddle. The seven(s) referred to were defined in the creation story (before all language was confused (riddled)), as seven days by example of the evenings and the mornings of this world--but the same word is used simply for "times." Thus, by the time we get to Daniel, confusion has set in surrounding the original meaning--while the creation story of seven days was the matter foretold by God before it sprang forth--which God reminds us of through Isaiah, saying "Behold, the former things have come to pass, And new things I declare; Before they spring forth I tell you of them.”

I see no reference to the specific 490 years prophesied for Israel to Daniel in Gen 1 actually. Anyone could play with numbers and find other instances of the word 'seven' etc etc. Prophesy is about God specifically talking about something. Not about various people trying to weld and mutilate and cram random scriptures into their pet doctrines to seem clever.

This is the key to understanding Daniel, according to God, rather than according to His imposed confusion which came a Babel, including "all language", even scripture.

In other words, the overall timeframe of Daniel's seventy weeks--is rather seven "times" which began at the beginning--

No. That is foolishness. The specific 490 years from Dan TO Jesus was not in Adam's day at all.

for the prophecy was for all of Daniel's people...all, meaning: since Adam.

No. It was for Israel and spoke of the temple, their final fate etc etc. It was what Daniel was praying about, his people. Not all of humanity that someone wants to call 'his people'.

Wherein midway Messiah does away with the daily sacrifice by fulfilling it.

Except Jesus was not killed 'midway' and did not do away with the specific sacrifice related to the temple and Jewish religion that the prophesy speaks about. Once again, you seek to grab some words, in this case 'daily sacrifice' and pretend it is talking about something else.

Paul talked about that sacrifice.
Hebrews 7:27
Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself. Jesus made the sacrifice ONCE. The sacrifice in the prophesy is DAILY!

Which means, there is no "seventieth week" yet to be fulfilled.

No. It means your attempts at mutilating prophesy are utterly defeated.

..caused by the riddle of sixty-two weeks..

Your attempt to obfuscate what you clearly do not understand are noted.

.which was eluded to by Daniel in the form of "a time, times, and half a time." In his "times" explanation (as I have also explained), he restates God's creation week preview of history as one overall time, coming in two halves before and after Messiah, dividing the light from the darkness (in half--morning and evening) until the end of time.

The year, years, and half a year actually had nothing to do with the first part of that 490 year prophesy. Cultish absurdity.

 

[dad]

Jesus has not rapture the true believers yet.

You got that right.

Jesus is going to rapture the people before end times gets underway.

The end times have been underway since Jesus actually, but I know what you mean.

But i am pre tribulation. I do not know what you are you sound mid tribulation.

No. I do not believe that believers are appointed to the wrath of God, which that whole time really is. (though of course, like a pregnant woman, it gets more intense till the time she is 'delivered'.

 

[Davy]

I don't. I actually do not believe that 'we the people' stuff.

Funny, lot of Canadians in 4 western Canadian Provinces DO... believe in the U.S. Constitution's "We the people..." preamble, as they are getting ready to vote... on seceding eastern Canada and joining the United States!

Just like the Canadian liberals in eastern Canada, you have your head in the sand like them.

 

[Davy]

You are pretending that the poor victims of starvation and mass murder and destruction of their lands and cities are all bad human beings. That is hateful.

That's just SILLY. The western peoples have TRIED, AND TRIED, AND TRIED TO BRING AID TO THE POORER NATIONS, but the LIBERAL LEFTIST-COMMUNIST-SOCIALIST leaders keep STOPPING IT, AND INSTEAD LET THEIR OWN PEOPLE STARVE!

 

[dad]

Funny, lot of Canadians in 4 western Canadian Provinces DO... believe in the U.S. Constitution's "We the people..." preamble, as they are getting ready to vote... on seceding eastern Canada and joining the United States!

Just like the Canadian liberals in eastern Canada, you have your head in the sand like them.

Nice idea. Do you think that in the USA 'we the people' actually run things?

 

[dad]

That's just SILLY. The western peoples have TRIED, AND TRIED, AND TRIED TO BRING AID TO THE POORER NATIONS,

Specifically Gaza. Can you show how 'liberals' stopped US attempts to bring aid there? Or maybe you think that when Trump suggested moving all the people away, that was aid? Ha.

but the LIBERAL LEFTIST-COMMUNIST-SOCIALIST leaders keep STOPPING IT, AND INSTEAD LET THEIR OWN PEOPLE STARVE!

Starvation is a serious issue. If some rich people hogged most of the resources, that would be contributing to world hunger, right? Perhaps they have some of the blame to share for hunger, as well as some poor tin pot dictators somewhere you want to label as lefties?

 

[ScottA]

I see no reference to the specific 490 years prophesied for Israel to Daniel in Gen 1 actually. Anyone could play with numbers and find other instances of the word 'seven' etc etc. Prophesy is about God specifically talking about something. Not about various people trying to weld and mutilate and cram random scriptures into their pet doctrines to seem clever.


No. That is foolishness. The specific 490 years from Dan TO Jesus was not in Adam's day at all.


No. It was for Israel and spoke of the temple, their final fate etc etc. It was what Daniel was praying about, his people. Not all of humanity that someone wants to call 'his people'.



Except Jesus was not killed 'midway' and did not do away with the specific sacrifice related to the temple and Jewish religion that the prophesy speaks about. Once again, you seek to grab some words, in this case 'daily sacrifice' and pretend it is talking about something else.

Paul talked about that sacrifice.
Hebrews 7:27
Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself. Jesus made the sacrifice ONCE. The sacrifice in the prophesy is DAILY!



No. It means your attempts at mutilating prophesy are utterly defeated.

Your attempt to obfuscate what you clearly do not understand are noted.

The year, years, and half a year actually had nothing to do with the first part of that 490 year prophesy. Cultish absurdity.

You are like one fixated on a Temple of stone--lacking vision--not understanding the Temple only pointed to Christ, the temple of His body.

How will you ever come out of her if you will not be led, but prefer the cup she has mixed?