Elijah shall come before Christ?

[Davy]

Nice try.

I was not changing the subject, but explaining it according to the greater truth from God in its continuity--as He is the same yesterday, today, and forever. That is called confirmation (from God).

Try nothing; I didn't have to try hard to defeat your Biblical illiteracy. You should learn what a Bible verse means FIRST WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF ITS BIBLE CHAPTER before you go TRYING to quote it. And you should also learn to stay on TOPIC instead of veering off to never-never-land when you've been shown your error.

 

[ScottA]

Try nothing; I didn't have to try hard to defeat your Biblical illiteracy. You should learn what a Bible verse means FIRST WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF ITS BIBLE CHAPTER before you go TRYING to quote it. And you should also learn to stay on TOPIC instead of veering off to never-never-land when you've been shown your error.

You have defeated nothing, but have revealed yourself as one who operates by division, dividing what is God's as if it were separate.

 

[Davy]

You have defeated nothing, but have revealed yourself as one who operates by division, dividing what is God's as if it were separate.

You have been rebuked for distorting The Word of God. Best that you move on, and get down to real disciplined Bible study.

 

[ScottA]

You have been rebuked for distorting The Word of God. Best that you move on, and get down to real disciplined Bible study.

Remember you said that.

 

[Fred J]

I do know this, that is obvious, but what I mean by all three, is that Jesus is BOTH "the Christ and THAT prophet" (Moses said that would come). Elijah (or Elias) is also being asked about (concerning John the baptist). What I was wondering, is if they were looking at this as three individuals rather than just the two (Christ, who is THAT Prophet) and John (the Elias/Elijah, for to come)

Moses when he prophesied to Israel in Deuteronomy, he did not mention 'Messiah', but only a 'Prophet' to come after him. And his writings are in the book of Torah which also comprise of the Law of Moses.

On the other hand, only in the book of the Prophets, the 'Messiah' and 'Elijah' to come before Him, is prophesied to Israel.

Therefore the Leaders of Israel, even through their servants, were asking John the Baptist, is he any one of them?

And indeed John the Baptist answered correctly to these 'blind guides', in person he's John the Baptist even though within the spirit of Elijah is.

For example, even though the spirit of Christ is in you but in person you're 'Truly', a servant and a vessel of GOD.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

 

[Muna]

Moses when he prophesied to Israel in Deuteronomy, he did not mention 'Messiah', but only a 'Prophet' to come after him. And his writings are in the book of Torah which also comprise of the Law of Moses.

On the other hand, only in the book of the Prophets, the 'Messiah' and 'Elijah' to come before Him, is prophesied to Israel.

Therefore the Leaders of Israel, even through their servants, were asking John the Baptist, is he any one of them?

And indeed John the Baptist answered correctly to these 'blind guides', in person he's John the Baptist even though within the spirit of Elijah is.

For example, even though the spirit of Christ is in you but in person you're 'Truly', a servant and a vessel of GOD.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

I agree, yeah. I was catching it all wrong earlier on though, because I kept seeing John "doubling down" on the Elias/Elijah/prophet thing. And not just that he was not Elijah but not even "THAT prophet". See how I was equating the two? No, that's not what John was saying. John (as all prophets, have the Holy Spirit in them and John had the Holy Ghost in him even from his mothers womb) and so John was indeed a prophet. As Jesus said cncerning John, "A prophet, yea, more than a prophet". His own father prophesied concerning him, that "thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest" for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways. John was a prophet, so I don't believe he was denying this (specifically), but rather, that he was just not THAT prophet (meaning the one which Moses had spoken of). He clearly denied being the Christ and THAT prophet or even Elijah (in any personal sense) even though he would come in the Spirit and power of Elijah, that wouldn't make John Elijah.

In John 1:37 There are two disciples who heard John, and then began to follow Jesus, one was Andrew, who informed his brother Simon saying

John 1:41 He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messias, which is, being interpreted, the Christ.

The next day having found Philip, he then finds Nathanael and saying

John 1:45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.

So they were aware of alot more on a certain level concerning what was written of Jesus in the law of Moses and the prophets, but I think they were not quick to understand what he reproves them for here in the same

Luke 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
Luke 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
Luke 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

These things are fun to revisit from time to time, even in the most basic of things.

 

[Fred J]

But Jesus was not denying that He was the son of David. He was saying rather that He was not merely one of David's physical descendants. He is also Son of God, which explains why David called Him Lord. But He was by natural descent So n of David. The New Testament opens with these words:

“The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham:” (Mt 1:1 NKJV)

i agree and no dispute about that, as you can find it in my further posts.

But read the scripture carefully, 'If David then call Him Lord, how is He his son?'

Apparently Jesus is 'denying' in the passage, if i were to be a believer then hearing, 'if David say so', 'How am i his son?'

Only as a believer today and based on the context of the scripture i perceive, Jesus tend to purposely have a field day with the 'blind'.

If they would purposely test Jesus with questions in regards the scripture or Him, He would question them back, sending them 'confused' and 'speechless'.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

 

[Fred J]

I agree, yeah. I was catching it all wrong earlier on though, because I kept seeing John "doubling down" on the Elias/Elijah/prophet thing. And not just that he was not Elijah but not even "THAT prophet". See how I was equating the two? No, that's not what John was saying. John (as all prophets, have the Holy Spirit in them and John had the Holy Ghost in him even from his mothers womb) and so John was indeed a prophet. As Jesus said cncerning John, "A prophet, yea, more than a prophet". His own father prophesied concerning him, that "thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest" for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways. John was a prophet, so I don't believe he was denying this (specifically), but rather, that he was just not THAT prophet (meaning the one which Moses had spoken of). He clearly denied being the Christ and THAT prophet or even Elijah (in any personal sense) even though he would come in the Spirit and power of Elijah, that wouldn't make John Elijah.

In John 1:37 There are two disciples who heard John, and then began to follow Jesus, one was Andrew, who informed his brother Simon saying

John 1:41 He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messias, which is, being interpreted, the Christ.

The next day having found Philip, he then finds Nathanael and saying

John 1:45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.

So they were aware of alot more on a certain level concerning what was written of Jesus in the law of Moses and the prophets, but I think they were not quick to understand what he reproves them for here in the same

Luke 24:25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
Luke 24:26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
Luke 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

These things are fun to revisit from time to time, even in the most basic of things.

Moses in the Law prophesied to Israel, a 'Prophet' among them to come after him, and all Israelites must listen to him, or GOD will require of them.

It can either be 'John the Baptist' in the category of 'Prophets', where all Israelites have to listen to the 'best man' representing the 'Groom' before His arrival.

It can be Jesus, but Jesus is the 'Messiah, Son of the MOST HIGH', can He be a 'Prophet'?

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

 

[Fred J]

The answer is found when we understand that John the Baptist was not Elijah who was to physically come again, but was the SPIRIT of Elijah (Elias).

Luke 1:13-17 (KJV) But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John. And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth. For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb. And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God. And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

Correct!

'spirit and power of Elijah', meaning the 'characteristic' and 'anointing' of Elijah, and probably not Elijah in person.

Something like how Elijah passed his to 'Elisha', with a 'double portion' as requested.

Because John the Baptist is like Elijah in characteristic and anointing, likewise who turned the heart of the Israelites to GOD.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

 

[Muna]

Moses in the Law prophesied to Israel, a 'Prophet' among them to come after him, and all Israelites must listen to him, or GOD will require of them.

It can either be 'John the Baptist' in the category of 'Prophets', where all Israelites have to listen to the 'best man' representing the 'Groom' before His arrival.

It can be Jesus, but Jesus is the 'Messiah, Son of the MOST HIGH', can He be a 'Prophet'?

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

Yes, because he IS THAT prophet, the apostles confirm so much.

Jesus is the Son of man and Son of God. Jesus is the Messiah interpreted the Christ. Jesus is That Prophet, and he is the Apostles and High Priest of our profession as well as the Shepherd and Bishop of our souls.

 

[Fred J]

Yes, because he IS THAT prophet, the apostles confirm so much.

Jesus is the Son of man and Son of God. Jesus is the Messiah interpreted the Christ. Jesus is That Prophet, and he is the Apostles and High Priest of our profession as well as the Shepherd and Bishop of our souls.

i can agree with you on that, but can you quote the one Jesus asks His disciples, who the Israelites say He is?

Thank you

 

[Muna]

i can agree with you on that, but can you quote the one Jesus asks His disciples, who the Israelites say He is?

Thank you

I quoted it earlier, they were speaking of whether he was John the baptist (a prophet) risen from the dead, and/Jeremiah or some of the other prophets.

Jesus said,

John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he,
and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me (Exod 4:15), I speak these things.

As here

Deut 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee,
and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

As Jesus confirms

John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment,
what I should say, and what I should speak.

Next verse in Deut

Deut 18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

The word Jesus had spoken would be required of whoever will not hearken unto them as Jesus confirms

John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

The Apostles confirm this is Jesus Christ

Acts 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.

Acts 3:23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

And again here confirming this is Jesus Christ

Acts 7:37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.

As Jesus also said,

John 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

Jesus continues,

John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Hebrews 3:5 And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after

Which were spoken to us by Christ, who is both that prophet and the Son of God

 

[Fred J]

I quoted it earlier, they were speaking of whether he was John the baptist (a prophet) risen from the dead, and/Jeremiah or some of the other prophets.

Jesus said,

John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he,
and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me (Exod 4:15), I speak these things.

As here

Deut 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee,
and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

As Jesus confirms

John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment,
what I should say, and what I should speak.

Next verse in Deut

Deut 18:19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

The word Jesus had spoken would be required of whoever will not hearken unto them as Jesus confirms

John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

The Apostles confirm this is Jesus Christ

Acts 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.

Acts 3:23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

And again here confirming this is Jesus Christ

Acts 7:37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.

As Jesus also said,

John 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

Jesus continues,

John 5:47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Hebrews 3:5 And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after

Which were spoken to us by Christ, who is both that prophet and the Son of God

Marvelous!

But is there a direct quote, that Jesus is that 'Prophet', thank you?

 

[Muna]

Marvelous!

But is there a direct quote, that Jesus is that 'Prophet', thank you?

The apostles point out "that prophet" being the one Moses wrote about here

Acts 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.

Acts 3:23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

They were expecting "that prophet"

John 6:14 Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world.

Who exactly do you believe Moses wrote about when God said he would raise up a prophet like unto him who enjoined to them a testament? Heb 9:20

 

[Muna]

Jesus seem to refer to himself as a prophet here

Mark 6:3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.

Mark 6:4 But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house.

Again here

Luke 13:33 Nevertheless I must walk to day, and to morrow, and the day following: for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.

Cleopas understood him to be a prophet here

Luke 24:18 And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days?

Luke 24:19 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:

This is that spoken of in Moses

Acts 7:37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.

 

[Fred J]

I quoted it earlier, they were speaking of whether he was John the baptist (a prophet) risen from the dead, and/Jeremiah or some of the other prophets.

But they did not speak, He's that prophet Moses spoke about, but rather probably one of the Prophet from the old.

 

[Muna]

Try it this way, highlighted in red showing Jesus is the one they are showing in Moses

Acts 3
[22] For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
[23] And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
[24] Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.
[25] Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
[26] Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

 

[Muna]

But they did not speak, He's that prophet Moses spoke about, but rather probably one of the Prophet from the old.

Then you just don't see Christ in that then, whereas I do. We just disagree.

 

[Fred J]

The apostles point out "that prophet" being the one Moses wrote about here

Acts 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.

Acts 3:23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

They were expecting "that prophet"

John 6:14 Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world.

Who exactly do you believe Moses wrote about when God said he would raise up a prophet like unto him who enjoined to them a testament? Heb 9:20

Apostles in the Book of Acts assuredly proclaimed that Jesus Christ is that Prophet, even to some Israelites in the Gospel, Moses mentioned about.

John the Baptist is also more than a Prophet, and for non of the Old Testament are greater than him according to Jesus. Could he be that Prophet?

Therefore for assurance of readers, you participated in straightening the scripture and doctrine that Jesus Christ is that Prophet.

Thank you and now readers can be assured.

 

[Fred J]

Then you just don't see Christ in that then, whereas I do. We just disagree.

Am referring to the Israelites then, that they did not recognize Him as that Prophet Moses spoke about.

They were merely speaking that Jesus is one of the Prophet from the Old, based on the answer of the disciples.