The Christians with the greatest life, will be those with the greatest dream

[Gottservant]

Hi there,

I just wanted to point out how important dreams are: the Christians with the greatest life, will be those with the greatest dream. This is distinct from those Christians who have the greatest change (who have the greatest vision). If dreams were not important, why would God give them to us every morning? And if dreams were not for life, why would He promise them to old men (Joel 2:28-32)? We should be praying for many dreams in old age!

Planning and preparation come from a solid foundation, a solid foundation is established in dream. The Holy Spirit is even able to relate many dreams together, the dreams of the future will be more and more expansive. I think it is possible to even save people, with the Word of the Gospel shared in dreams (for us to give people). Each dream has a purpose and a function, all of which God works together into a great understanding. It is important to have a vision, for dreams, because they are supposed to bring us greater clarity and understanding in life.

So in principle, if dreams do us such wonderful things, what we should be praying for is greater and greater dreams. We want to go from glory to glory - praise God! May the power of our dreams impress others; may the reckoning of our dreams free others. The impact of our dreams together, should be immense! This is something the Holy Spirit can help us with, the timing and expectation of our dreams. God is able to be personal with us, through our dreams - we should be thanking Him already!

I hope this has been of some encouragement.

God bless.

 

[Nameaboveallnames]

a solid foundation is established in dream

"For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ." (1 Cor. 3:11)

 

[Lizbeth]

Hi there,

I just wanted to point out how important dreams are: the Christians with the greatest life, will be those with the greatest dream. This is distinct from those Christians who have the greatest change (who have the greatest vision). If dreams were not important, why would God give them to us every morning? And if dreams were not for life, why would He promise them to old men (Joel 2:28-32)? We should be praying for many dreams in old age!

Planning and preparation come from a solid foundation, a solid foundation is established in dream. The Holy Spirit is even able to relate many dreams together, the dreams of the future will be more and more expansive. I think it is possible to even save people, with the Word of the Gospel shared in dreams (for us to give people). Each dream has a purpose and a function, all of which God works together into a great understanding. It is important to have a vision, for dreams, because they are supposed to bring us greater clarity and understanding in life.

So in principle, if dreams do us such wonderful things, what we should be praying for is greater and greater dreams. We want to go from glory to glory - praise God! May the power of our dreams impress others; may the reckoning of our dreams free others. The impact of our dreams together, should be immense! This is something the Holy Spirit can help us with, the timing and expectation of our dreams. God is able to be personal with us, through our dreams - we should be thanking Him already!

I hope this has been of some encouragement.

God bless.

We're told in scripture to seek the LORD, not dreams and visions per se. If we are seeking HIM, then He will speak to us according to His own will and wisdom and timing in whatever way He wants and when He wants. And keep in mind different members of His body have different gifts, as well as different callings....the Lord doesn't necessarily speak to everyone through dreams.

I've seen where chasing after and seeking the things of God to the point of making an idol of them grieved His Spirit to the point of departing, and unfortunately opened the door to very serious deception.

 

[amigo de christo]

We're told in scripture to seek the LORD, not dreams and visions per se. If we are seeking HIM, then He will speak to us according to His own will and wisdom and timing in whatever way He wants and when He wants. And keep in mind different members of His body have different gifts, as well as different callings....the Lord doesn't necessarily speak to everyone through dreams.

I've seen where chasing after and seeking the things of God to the point of making an idol of them grieved His Spirit to the point of departing, and unfortunately opened the door to very serious deception.

And this is exactly why many have long been deceived . For many have loved
to hear and to see of and to tell of some new thing . Sounds like mars hill if ya ask me .
This people has become far too superstitious . Leaning on the dreams and visions of men and their own hearts
RATHER THAN ON TRUSTING IN GOD and learning OF HIM for themselves

 

[Gottservant]

"I will pour out My Spirit on the people and their old men shall dream dreams and their young men shall have visions" (from memory).

Does God promise something that will bring people closer to Him, because He desires to distract His people?

I agree, we should pray "Lord thankyou that you were willing" but we should not discount that God knows how to interest us in His Will!

 

[Windmill Charge]

"I will pour out My Spirit on the people and their old men shall dream dreams and their young men shall have visions" (from memory).

Does God promise something that will bring people closer to Him, because He desires to distract His people?

I agree, we should pray "Lord thankyou that you were willing" but we should not discount that God knows how to interest us in His Will!

Scripture interpreted the passage from Joel,
Acts2, 14 Then Peter stood up with the Eleven, raised his voice and addressed the crowd: “Fellow Jews and all of you who live in Jerusalem, let me explain this to you; listen carefully to what I say. 15 These people are not drunk, as you suppose. It’s only nine in the morning! 16 No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:

17 “‘In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.

We all dream at night but any dream we believe is from God has to be in agreement with scripture.

 

[Lizbeth]

"I will pour out My Spirit on the people and their old men shall dream dreams and their young men shall have visions" (from memory).

Does God promise something that will bring people closer to Him, because He desires to distract His people?

I agree, we should pray "Lord thankyou that you were willing" but we should not discount that God knows how to interest us in His Will!

All power ultimately belongs to the Lord and He is sovereign over it. He created both good and evil. If people's hearts are not right...if motives are fleshly and they are idolizing and pursuing "things of God" rather than seeking He Himself, they can reap consequences, He may allow them to be deceived and distracted. We need to be sober/serious and not be toying frivolously with the things of God to entertain ourselves with or out of spiritual ambition or to draw crowds etc. This doesn't mean we may not ask for His gifts, or ask Him to speak to us, etc, but our hearts need to be sincere and motives pure. The "renewal" movement that started in Toronto in the late 90's early 2000's got way off track, I'm sad to say....it was completely without any guardrails. It was so anguishing to see when the Holy Spirit departed and they were left with something that was not of God and it was influencing many in a wrong way, because they were pursuing and putting "manifestations" above the Lord and above His word and above prayer. I went into it completely ignorant and without understanding, just seeking the Lord for His comfort and some answers and help with things there were going on in my life. The only reason I was spared deception and was given discernment I believe was because I was going through a lot of suffering at the time.....suffering in the will of God is often necessary to help keep us as well as purify.

 

[Gottservant]

Scripture interpreted the passage from Joel,
Acts2, 14 Then Peter stood up with the Eleven, raised his voice and addressed the crowd: “Fellow Jews and all of you who live in Jerusalem, let me explain this to you; listen carefully to what I say. 15 These people are not drunk, as you suppose. It’s only nine in the morning! 16 No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:

17 “‘In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your young men will see visions,
your old men will dream dreams.

We all dream at night but any dream we believe is from God has to be in agreement with scripture.

I had a dream I would be complaining about connecting to my computer, I guess this is why?

I don't like being put in my place, is the problem? Especially when God says "look forward to this" and you say 'no, don't look forward to anything [not scriptural]'?

I can see there is a point, to positing scripture, in relation to dream - I will get back to you, if there is a further development (in my dreams) along these lines.

 

[Lizbeth]

I had a dream I would be complaining about connecting to my computer, I guess this is why?

I don't like being put in my place, is the problem? Especially when God says "look forward to this" and you say 'no, don't look forward to anything [not scriptural]'?

I can see there is a point, to positing scripture, in relation to dream - I will get back to you, if there is a further development (in my dreams) along these lines.

If it is the Lord speaking to us, He will never contradict and go against His written word.

But I can't help but wonder what this idea of a "great life" is, whether it is in line with God's idea of what a great life looks like to Him. The language of having the greatest dreams leading to having the greatest life sounds like it might be the hype language of the false prophetic movement. Not accusing you, just discussing, and perhaps you wouldn't mind clarifying what you mean by it.

Jesus had the greatest life anyone on earth has ever had, no? He is our example....simply obeying the Lord and doing His will, even unto death if that is His will and leading...whether that means physical death or death of our life/psuche (if we seek to save our life/psuche we will lose it, but if we lose our life/psuche for His sake we will find it). Those who Jesus spoke about who would say Lord, Lord didn't we do thus and such for you, casting out devils, doing miracles etc were having a life all right, except that apparently they weren't submitting to, obeying and following God's will in their life for themselves personally. God's ways and thoughts are not man's ways and idea of things, do you agree?

 

[Gottservant]

If it is the Lord speaking to us, He will never contradict and go against His written word.

But I can't help but wonder what this idea of a "great life" is, whether it is in line with God's idea of what a great life looks like to Him. The language of having the greatest dreams leading to having the greatest life sounds like it might be the hype language of the false prophetic movement. Not accusing you, just discussing, and perhaps you wouldn't mind clarifying what you mean by it.

Jesus had the greatest life anyone on earth has ever had, no? He is our example....simply obeying the Lord and doing His will, even unto death if that is His will and leading...whether that means physical death or death of our life/psuche (if we seek to save our life/psuche we will lose it, but if we lose our life/psuche for His sake we will find it). Those who Jesus spoke about who would say Lord, Lord didn't we do thus and such for you, casting out devils, doing miracles etc were having a life all right, except that apparently they weren't submitting to, obeying and following God's will in their life for themselves personally. God's ways and thoughts are not man's ways and idea of things, do you agree?

Look I understand your objection was the will of God, because He has used it to sharpen my conviction - but I don't think you get the reward you think you do.

Joseph is a perfect example, of someone who had a great dream and was persecuted for it. The idea that you have to be Jesus to be great, has a spiritual application, but if it means you are forgetting the Bible in the process, is it really what you want?

 

[Lizbeth]

Look I understand your objection was the will of God, because He has used it to sharpen my conviction - but I don't think you get the reward you think you do.

Joseph is a perfect example, of someone who had a great dream and was persecuted for it. The idea that you have to be Jesus to be great, has a spiritual application, but if it means you are forgetting the Bible in the process, is it really what you want?

Joseph wasn't pursuing dreams or to be great. The Lord simply revealed and communicated His sovereign purpose for Joseph by way of a dream. And in his immaturity it went to his head at first, so he needed to die to it before the dream would be fulfilled. And his life is a picture/allegory of Jesus....dead and buried, then resurrected to rule. What happened to Joseph in the earthly realm is pointing to the spiritual.....it was not written to be an example to us of earthly "success".

I'm not saying we have to be Jesus.......I'm just pointing out that God's idea of great is not man's idea. And Jesus is our example that we should follow - in the eyes of man Jesus looked like a failure, not someone who had a great life. It is written that what is esteemed by man is abomination to God. In God's economy the way up is down......the last will be first and the first will be last, and the greatest in the kingdom must humble themselves like a little child and be servant of all. We are on a path of dying to our dreams and ambitions. Loving not our life/psuche unto death....seeking not to save our life/psuche, but to lose it for His sake. Our goal is not our dreams and ambitions, but our goal is Christ/God Himself, as I see this....we must decrease in order that He will increase. It costs us all that we have and are to gain Christ.....the rich young ruler was instructed to "sell" all that he had to gain the kingdom of heaven.....the man who found the pearl of great price went and "sold" all he had to purchase it. Jesus said if we would be His disciple we need to deny ourself and take up His cross. The gospel is not about gain in this life, it's about sacrifice in order to gain the heavenly. The modern church is getting things upside down.

 

[amigo de christo]

Joseph wasn't pursuing dreams or to be great. The Lord simply revealed and communicated His sovereign purpose for Joseph by way of a dream. And in his immaturity it went to his head at first, so he needed to die to it before the dream would be fulfilled. And his life is a picture/allegory of Jesus....dead and buried, then resurrected to rule. What happened to Joseph in the earthly realm is pointing to the spiritual.....it was not written to be an example to us of earthly "success".

I'm not saying we have to be Jesus.......I'm just pointing out that God's idea of great is not man's idea. And Jesus is our example that we should follow - in the eyes of man Jesus looked like a failure, not someone who had a great life. It is written that what is esteemed by man is abomination to God. In God's economy the way up is down......the last will be first and the first will be last, and the greatest in the kingdom must humble themselves like a little child and be servant of all. We are on a path of dying to our dreams and ambitions. Loving not our life/psuche unto death....seeking not to save our life/psuche, but to lose it for His sake. Our goal is not our dreams and ambitions, but our goal is Christ/God Himself, as I see this....we must decrease in order that He will increase. It costs us all that we have and are to gain Christ.....the rich young ruler was instructed to "sell" all that he had to gain the kingdom of heaven.....the man who found the pearl of great price went and "sold" all he had to purchase it. Jesus said if we would be His disciple we need to deny ourself and take up His cross. The gospel is not about gain in this life, it's about sacrifice in order to gain the heavenly. The modern church is getting things upside down.

Onward in the trenches dear sister .

 

[amigo de christo]

Joseph wasn't pursuing dreams or to be great. The Lord simply revealed and communicated His sovereign purpose for Joseph by way of a dream. And in his immaturity it went to his head at first, so he needed to die to it before the dream would be fulfilled. And his life is a picture/allegory of Jesus....dead and buried, then resurrected to rule. What happened to Joseph in the earthly realm is pointing to the spiritual.....it was not written to be an example to us of earthly "success".

I'm not saying we have to be Jesus.......I'm just pointing out that God's idea of great is not man's idea. And Jesus is our example that we should follow - in the eyes of man Jesus looked like a failure, not someone who had a great life. It is written that what is esteemed by man is abomination to God. In God's economy the way up is down......the last will be first and the first will be last, and the greatest in the kingdom must humble themselves like a little child and be servant of all. We are on a path of dying to our dreams and ambitions. Loving not our life/psuche unto death....seeking not to save our life/psuche, but to lose it for His sake. Our goal is not our dreams and ambitions, but our goal is Christ/God Himself, as I see this....we must decrease in order that He will increase. It costs us all that we have and are to gain Christ.....the rich young ruler was instructed to "sell" all that he had to gain the kingdom of heaven.....the man who found the pearl of great price went and "sold" all he had to purchase it. Jesus said if we would be His disciple we need to deny ourself and take up His cross. The gospel is not about gain in this life, it's about sacrifice in order to gain the heavenly. The modern church is getting things upside down.

Many have indeed become enamoured with ya best life now and have no idea about godliness with contentment .
In their dreams of the pursuit of more
they have long lost site of what ever truly mattered or will have mattered in this short vapor life
And that was TO KNOW GOD AND HIS CHRIST , TO HAVE ETERNAL LIFE and to keep the focus and affections above on HIM .
Many churches have long followed the so called american dream
which in truth is naught but a nightmare from which they cannot awaken .
Slumbering and rolling over and over in their sleep as they think to themselves
IF ONLY i had more , IF ONLY i had this or that my life would be better ,
BUT NOT KNOWING that all they ever NEEDED was THE LORD
who could have sustained them through all times .
There is no real hope or life in them . its always if i had this or that
and then even when they get the this or that
THEY cannot be satisified . He who loveth silver is not satisfied with silver .
And he whose dreams and hopes be in this world and its things
Will be as the sea drivin by fierce winds
upon which they are tossed to and fro and can find no true rest . Its not about what we have in this life
ITS ABOUT DO WE HAVE THE LORD that matters .

 

[amigo de christo]

and what was and is the result of this dream .
The man and his wife work long hours
children are left to be raised by TV and by the state
And the chaos just gets worse and worse .
Its not about what we can attain of this world
ITS SIMPLY do we KNOW , LOVE AND SERVE THE HOLY GOD and HIS CHRIST .
This life is but a vapor
and it will come to an end .
BUT ALL whose hopes , all whose trust , all whose affections were above ON GOD ALL MIGHTY and KING JESUS
know they have a far better place that awaits them . THEY have hope .
They have the abundant life , and that life giveth joy and peace and hope
No matter what circumstance cometh upon them . FOR they KNOW THE LORD
and they KNOW HE IS WITH THEM and they know , THANKS BE TO HIM , HIS MERCY AND GRACE
given them IN CHRIST JESUS , what a paradise awaits them at their end . And they look forward TO HIS DAY
and not their kingdom now and thier will be done , BUT HIS KINGDOM and HIS WILL BE DONE on earth as it is in heaven .
HOPE abounds . But hope in this world is but death and decepetion and even if they lived
a king on earth and had more than heart could wish , They are poor blind and naked and their end is destruction .
OH ITS JESUS PREACHING TIME in the HOUSE . TIME to remind all of all pure and holy biblical doctrine
whereby one can grow and learn .

 

[Lizbeth]

Many have indeed become enamoured with ya best life now and have no idea about godliness with contentment .
In their dreams of the pursuit of more
they have long lost site of what ever truly mattered or will have mattered in this short vapor life
And that was TO KNOW GOD AND HIS CHRIST , TO HAVE ETERNAL LIFE and to keep the focus and affections above on HIM .
Many churches have long followed the so called american dream
which in truth is naught but a nightmare from which they cannot awaken .
Slumbering and rolling over and over in their sleep as they think to themselves
IF ONLY i had more , IF ONLY i had this or that my life would be better ,
BUT NOT KNOWING that all they ever NEEDED was THE LORD
who could have sustained them through all times .
There is no real hope or life in them . its always if i had this or that
and then even when they get the this or that
THEY cannot be satisified . He who loveth silver is not satisfied with silver .
And he whose dreams and hopes be in this world and its things
Will be as the sea drivin by fierce winds
upon which they are tossed to and fro and can find no true rest . Its not about what we have in this life
ITS ABOUT DO WE HAVE THE LORD that matters .

Amen. The prosperity preachers of today must not understand what real prosperity is in the eyes of the Lord....unfortunately they've lost the plot.....it's not about power and status and filthy lucre:

1Ti 6:2-12

And they that have believing masters, let them not despise them, because they are brethren; but rather do them service, because they are faithful and beloved, partakers of the benefit. These things teach and exhort.

If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;

He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,

Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

But godliness with contentment is great gain.

For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.

And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.

But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.

For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.

Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.


And what do they do with this Godly wisdom:

Pro 30:7-9
Two things have I required of thee; deny me them not before I die:
Remove far from me vanity and lies: give me neither poverty nor riches; feed me with food convenient for me:
Lest I be full, and deny thee, and say, Who is the LORD? or lest I be poor, and steal, and take the name of my God in vain.

Unfortunately the church in general and the west has gone the way of Israel of old when material "prosperity" caused her to forget the Lord. And then He had to judge them. We need to come back to the true gospel and word of God and stop following after vanity.

 

[Gottservant]

[...]

But godliness with contentment is great gain.

I know someone whose God told them, that verse would be relevant.

You can't be content with dreams?

 

[Windmill Charge]

I had a dream I would be complaining about connecting to my computer, I guess this is why?

I don't like being put in my place, is the problem? Especially when God says "look forward to this" and you say 'no, don't look forward to anything [not scriptural]'?

I can see there is a point, to positing scripture, in relation to dream - I will get back to you, if there is a further development (in my dreams) along these lines.

Unless a dream is confirmed by scripture it is worthless.
the Christian life is not lead by dreams but by scripture.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Ah yeah.... that's what it's all about right there.... what we are dreaming of, so we are entertained and get our way

</sarcasm>

 

[Gottservant]

What if Joseph had said "I had dreams of wheat and stars, but that's not scriptural"?