Eternally Grateful
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Your wrong on all point
If My child does not want my gift. He does not take it. it is not extortion.
Your universalism will come back to haunt you one day
Is the Gift of Salvation nullified by the consequences of refusal?
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If My child does not want my gift. He does not take it. it is not extortion.
Your universalism will come back to haunt you one day
Correct.
If he takes the gift it is extortion.
Believe, or burn = extortion
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Behold
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You just stated that accepting God's Gift of Salvation, (Who is Jesus on The Cross)... which is the only way to be Saved and become a Christian, is.. ."extortion".
The Devil loves your point of view. @St. SteVen .
One day, one of these Mods is going to realize you.
Eternally Grateful
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lol. I will be honest. I do not know how to take you man. This is rediculous.. So I purchase my child the thing she asked for as a gift (because she could not purchase it) it is distortion?
Its reality
You have how many death penalties against you? (How many sins have you committed since you were born) And the God of the universe came down and made payment in full for all of those sins.. And you think it is extortion because you want to reject Gods gift. Give him the finger. then expect him to let you go for free?
Dude. you do not know God at all. and you are in very dangerous waters.
Eternally Grateful
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I will be honest. I do not know how this is allowed to continue. Universalism is one of the most dangerous doctrines known to mankind
Hogwash.
"The Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge" by Schaff-Herzog, 1908, volume 12, page 96 German theologian- Philip Schaff, Editor: "In the first five or six centuries of Christianity there were six theological schools, of which four (Alexandria, Antioch, Caesarea, and Edessa, or Nisibis) were Universalist, one (Ephesus) accepted conditional immortality; one (Carthage or Rome) taught endless punishment of the wicked. Other theological schools are mentioned as founded by Universalists, but their actual doctrine on this subject is not known."
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Behold
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Its because the MODS on this Fourm, dont care.
That's why He's still here trying to lead people into Hell for 2 years here, and laughing about it.
The Mods here will ban YOU for "not being nice", but they'll allow a devil led person who is teaching people how to go to Hell, to continue to do it for years..
They do the same with Episkopos, as Hes the other worst deceiver on the forum who teaches that "The Cross is not about Forgiveness of sin".
His testimony is on the Forum somewhere and its just ridiculous.... There is no Christ in it, no Cross in it, no Faith in it, no forgivness of sin....no born again........NOTHING that even suggests "Christianity".....nothing.
So, Its really a situation that needs to be remedied, asap.
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Eternally Grateful
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let me put it to you plain and simple
You are a sinner
Since you have sinned, God has placed you apart from him, and that sin has become a barrier. God can not and will not relate to you in any way, because he is holy. and he is just.
As a perfect judge, God must carry out that justice.. no one will escape..
He created hell for Satan and his angels who understand and saw God like no human has ever seen and with this knowledge, rejected his love and rebelled against him.
Sadly. He created humans, They also rebelled. against him, So God gave them the same punishment, Banishment into our darkness seperated from him. for all eternity.
Only God wanted to show the universe he is a God of love. So he entered the human race himself. Fulfilled the law (had no sin) hence he was perfect. And suffered our death in our place (God can do this. because he is eternal)
But God is also a God of love.
A loving God can not force you to do anything, If he did, he would have forced Adam and eve not to sin.. and the same to you and I and everyone else who lived. But he gave us free will. he wants a relationship with us. not a dictatorship (although he has every right to do that if he so wanted)
So he offers his salvation to everyone.. Its up to you and I to receive his gift. or to reject it. He will not stop you from rejecting his gift.
Your already dead. condemned, cursed by the law. eternally separated in him.; Do nothing, and you will remain in that state.
or repent. receive his gift in faith. and he will make you alive for all eternity.
If you die in the condemned state you will remain in that condemned state. God is patient willing no one should perish. But once your time is up. your time is up.
If you think you or anyone else can live in this lifetime rejecting God and his gift of salvation. and God will just let you into heaven. You are a fool. and are teaching one of the most dangerous things any man can ever teach. that God will let everyone into heaven.
Taken
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Is the Gift of Salvation nullified by the consequences of refusal?
Yes.
FREE…may at initial glance seem to imply “something for nothing”…
However there IS ALWAYS a COST.
Offers of “FREE”…examples:
A raffle…name in drop box.
A lottery…given ticket.
A loan….qualification.
A blessing…qualification.
A reward…qualification.
A privilege…qualification.
A license…qualification.
Welfare…qualification.
Citizenship…qualification
A gift…qualification.
Inanutshell …”someone” PAYS the “COST”…
An “OTHER” Qualified AND Accepting the OFFERING…
Reaps the “Benefit” from the Offering.
The “One Offering” PAID… the COST…to MAKE the “OFFERING VALID.” (possible).
The “One Offering who PAID”…
ALSO…Establishes..THE: (Fine Print, so to speak)… qualifications Required…
For an OTHER to Receive The Offering, PAID For By the one Offering.
There IS no “COST” to the one “Receiving”…
But there ARE qualifying Requirements.
AMERICA is a young, (in terms of historical) Nation, Founded on the Standards and Principles of the Fixed Objective
OF Gods WORD.
(And yes, for American(S), those Standards and Principles can be Found “in written words, established by the USA founders and the Peoples at Large Consent and Agreement.”)
The Cost of Lives laid down unto Death…
For others to be qualified For the Offering of Freedom.
The qualification…? Allegiance
God Offers Eternal Life.
The Qualification factor?
Allegiance.
Allegiance established?
Offered Gift “Given and Taken” (Received.)
Glory to God,
Taken
Yes.
FREE…may at initial glance seem to imply “something for nothing”…
However there IS ALWAYS a COST.
Offers of “FREE”…examples:
A raffle…name in drop box.
A lottery…given ticket.
A loan….qualification.
A blessing…qualification.
A reward…qualification.
A privilege…qualification.
A license…qualification.
Welfare…qualification.
Citizenship…qualification
A gift…qualification.
Inanutshell …”someone” PAYS the “COST”…
An “OTHER” Qualified AND Accepting the OFFERING…
Reaps the “Benefit” from the Offering.
The “One Offering” PAID… the COST…to MAKE the “OFFERING VALID.” (possible).
The “One Offering who PAID”…
ALSO…Establishes..THE: (Fine Print, so to speak)… qualifications Required…
For an OTHER to Receive The Offering, PAID For By the one Offering.
There IS no “COST” to the one “Receiving”…
But there ARE qualifying Requirements.
AMERICA is a young, (in terms of historical) Nation, Founded on the Standards and Principles of the Fixed Objective
OF Gods WORD.
(And yes, for American(S), those Standards and Principles can be Found “in written words, established by the USA founders and the Peoples at Large Consent and Agreement.”)
The Cost of Lives laid down unto Death…
For others to be qualified For the Offering of Freedom.
The qualification…? Allegiance
God Offers Eternal Life.
The Qualification factor?
Allegiance.
Allegiance established?
Offered Gift “Given and Taken” (Received.)
Glory to God,
Taken
Behold
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What quailifes us to receive God's Gift of Salvation?
A.) "all have sinned, there is none rightous, no ont one".
Are you a sinner?
Then you are qualified for God's Salvation.
God's Gift of Salvation is not a contract that requires anything from you.
Its a "GIFT", not a contract.
You can't earn God's Salvation.
Taken
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BELIEF in Heart (natural spirit)
With an Offering, Way to REMEDY.
A Forgiven, Washed, Covered, Sanctified, Perfected IN Christ Sinner, that can Sin no more.
Born and Born in sin is a requirement …but does not qualify a man for Salvation.
Disagree.
God does Not Force…
God Chose Hebrews…Hebrews agreed.
God Chose Abram… Abram agreed.
God Chose 12 Tribes…They agreed.
Some Tribesmen Faltered.
God Chose 12 men…One Faltered.
God Chose SAUL/Paul in default..he agreed
God Chose Mary…she agreed
God Chose Offered Gentiles..some agreed
The Gift is Conditional…per QUALIFIED…
IF….THEN
If … one Believes…THEN is Qualified.
If….one Believes AND Confesses Belief…
THEN Jesus WILL SAVE him THEN.
IF…one confesses not, (BUT DOES Believe at time of Mortal Death )THEN
God shall Save him THEN
Correct you do not Earn Salvation.
You Qualify for Salvation.
Some people Believe only with their Mind…
Not Qualified.
Behold
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"All who call upon the name of Jesus, by faith, shall be saved".
"Grace through Faith"....."without works or law".
That is John 3:9....... (KJV)
Being Born again is eternal proof you have become a Christian, as to become a Christian.......
Jesus said...
"YOU MUST... be Born again".
The Gift Salvation : is an offer of Christ on the Cross for forgiveness of Sin..... for/to anyone who will BELIEVE.
All who CHOOSE to believe in Jesus, have given God "their" Faith.
Qualifed by God's Grace.
God will accept anyones Faith in Christ as....our "faith is counted by God as (Christ's inputed righteousness).
God sees the Heart.
He knows if you have believed......before you confess anything.
Your faith has already been accepted before you confess.
You can be saved on your Death Bed.......final breath......."calling in the Name of Jesus"...
Absolutely.
Our sin qualifies us for forgivness.
They are not born again.
Taken
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There IS a Distinction of When.
John 6:
[28] Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
[29] Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
Christian is not the Term that defines a saved and born again person.
Christian implies a Believer, a Follower of Christ… a term coined by “NON-Believers”.
The term, “Converted IN Christ” reveals, a Saved and Born Again person.
Yes, which by default, requires an original birth.
Correct.
Rather they have Given:
Their Word.
Their Life
um…
God “searches the heart”… Notification, He Verifies, just as He taught men to do.
Behold
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God hears faith in Christ anytime its given.
Salvation is always faith based.
Yes it is......as a Born Again Christian, is the definition of being a Christian, who is converted.
The Cross of Christ is where Jesus becomes our sin, and we become the "righteousness of God, in Christ".
M. Luther stated it like this.
"Jesus became my sin, and i became His Righteousness"
Taken
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Is the Gift of Salvation nullified by the consequences of refusal?
Yes indeed!Mk 16 He that believeth not shall be DAMNED!
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Behold
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Is the Gift of Salvation nullified by the consequences of refusal?
Here is an example of Jews who are "nullifiing God's Offer of Salvation".
They are in fact comitting the unpardonable sin.....so, if you've wondered what that is... read this verse.
What are they doing?
They are refusing to accept Jesus as their Savior/Messiah.
Hebrews 10:26 (KJV)
And here they are doing it again.......same group..........
Acts 28:28
Is the Gift of Salvation nullified by the consequences of refusal?
Familiar words.
"... it is by grace you have been saved... the gift of God..."
What is the nature of a "gift"?
- It's free.
- You can't earn it.
- Nothing is expected in return. (hopefully, or it isn't free)
- Consequences for refusal would make it extortion.
Here's how it might look in human terms.
Man #1: I have a free gift for you.
Man #2: Thanks, But I'm not interested.
Man #1: Not interested? I said it was free!
Man #2: I'm pretty sure there are some strings attached.
Man #1: Well, of course. But it's FREE!
Man #2: Not really, if there are strings attached.
Man #1: This is my final offer. Better take it now, or else!
Man #2: Uh... or else what?
Man #1: You will be incinerated!
Man #2: Seriously? What kind of free gift is that?
Since salvation is a gift, it should meet the criteria of a gift.
- It's free.
- You can't earn it.
- Nothing is expected in return.
If salvation fails to meet this criteria, it isn't a gift.
Romans 4:4-5 NIV
Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation.
5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly,
their faith is credited as righteousness.
Taken
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