Standing… Survey… YES or NO………………?ONCE SAV-ED…SAV-ED FOREVER [OSAS)?

[Sabé]

Why are adding “the specific of Physical” to the question?

Are you ok? I said physical death because you asked, "When Is The Appointed Time that a man can Receive Gods Gift of Salvation? Before or After A Bodily (physical) Death?"

Some men had already bodily (physically) died before Jesus was born, and thus, for them the answer would be after their bodily (physical) death. For the men born into the world after Jesus was born, the answer is before their bodily (physical) death. From eternity, before humans were created and fell from Grace and God Incarnated Himself, the very act of Him just knowing how He will restore Grace between him and man, and give men the opportunity to be with Him in Heaven again, means the answer for all men, from that perspective, is before life and bodily (physical) death.

The answers to that question aren't answers to the question "Is anyone currently living on earth saved right now?", as in currently living in Heaven for eternity, because the answer to that is no, since Jesus said "He who perseveres [in obedience to God's commandments, overcoming tribulations/trials, and repentance] to the end [bodily death] will be saved". (Matt. 24:13)

 

[Taken]

Are you ok? I said physical death because you asked, "When Is The Appointed Time that a man can Receive Gods Gift of Salvation? Before or After A Bodily (physical) Death?"

What was dead, when Jesus was crucified?

What is dead of a man crucified with Jesus?

 

[Rockerduck]

A Christian is born twice and dies once in his life. An unsaved person is born once and dies twice.

 

[Christian Soldier]

So what? Never said, Phil 4:3 said, adding to the book of life.
Simply revealed, All scripture that Mentions the Book(s) of Life.



Giving you the References that you might, actually, read, study, learn, about the book(s) of Life, and Overcome your ignorance.
Not surprised, too much effort.



LOL. I have zero requirement to Defend my Blessings and Gifts From God to the likes of you.



Yep…your false allegations are but stubble and dust to be brushed off as meaningless.



You have absurdly, ignorantly, mistaken yourself, as my Judge…



WOW… LOL…No kidding…



Right God is The Judge… not you.

…

I have No wondering “IF’s”.



…like your pal @Sabe… keep hoping, keep persevering… and you might spend eternity in paradise.

According to Gods Word and my True and Faithful Obedient Surrender to the Lord God Almighty, my Name is IN the heavenly Book(S) of Evidence, and I already reside IN CHRIST…who IS IN Paradise.



@ Sabe

It's one thing to list the scriptures, which mention the book of life, but it's an entirely different thing to understand what the verses are saying. You obviously don't have the gift of discernment, this is evidenced by the way you misapply the scriptures.

You approach the Bible, with preconceived ideas of what it must be saying. You don't allow the Bible to speak for itself, and when someone points out your errors, you never defend your position but you resort to personal attacks instead and that exposes your heretical theology better than I ever could.

 

[Taken]

It's one thing to list the scriptures, which mention the book of life, but it's an entirely different thing to understand what the verses are saying. You obviously don't have the gift of discernment, this is evidenced by the way you misapply the scriptures.

You approach the Bible, with preconceived ideas of what it must be saying. You don't allow the Bible to speak for itself, and when someone points out your errors, you never defend your position but you resort to personal attacks instead and that exposes your heretical theology better than I ever could.

Topic… book of life.
Listing… a reference of each Scriptural text specific to the book of life …is NOT a commentary on discernment.

Silly accusation.

 

[GodsGrace]

It's one thing to list the scriptures, which mention the book of life, but it's an entirely different thing to understand what the verses are saying. You obviously don't have the gift of discernment, this is evidenced by the way you misapply the scriptures.

You approach the Bible, with preconceived ideas of what it must be saying. You don't allow the Bible to speak for itself, and when someone points out your errors, you never defend your position but you resort to personal attacks instead and that exposes your heretical theology better than I ever could.

Ditto back to you CS.
You do exactly the same....
reading into scripture what is not there.

AND
You never replied to my posts on the Book of Life that you so depend on....
Names can be erased,,,as I clearly showed.

But you had no come back because there ISN'T ANY!

You should try learning from Jesus instead of depending on a book that you don't even understand.

 

[Jack]

The only reason I see for this doctrine is OSASer's trying to convince each other.

 

[GodsGrace]

The only reason I see for this doctrine is OSASer's trying to convince each other.

Why do you suppose OSASers try so hard to teach something that is not in the bible....
and has the capability of leading some to becoming lost by teaching that it's not needed to obey God
because there is no possibility of forfeiting one's salvation.

This has been stated straight out at times.

 

[Taken]

Names can be erased,,,as I clearly showed.

Regarding “The Book of Life”…

God has revealed: He knew men before they were born (naturally).

God has every man, (naturally born) Name in Gods “Book of Life”.

He never “erases” a mans Name, rather Shall “Blot out” ( modernly REDACTED…ie. Drawing a line through the Name that it is no longer revealing the Name. )
The Names of men in Gods Book of Life which Remain, such men shall BE WITH God eternally.
Men whose Names are Blotted out, shall eternally be Separated From God.

There is ALSO the Lambs “Book of Life”.
This Book, receives Entry of Names… WHEN THEY during their “natural life time”…
Accept the Offering of Christ the Lord Jesus, to be MADE Forgiven, soul Saved, spirit born again, BEFORE their mortal bodily Death.
Names in THIS Book…
* Also Identifies:
Who is a member of Christ Jesus’ Spiritual Church.
AND
Whom is Not appointed to suffer Wrath (of God, of the Lamb, of Satan)
AND
Whom the Lord Jesus shall summon, raise up Glorified, to Meet Him IN the clouds/ air.
AND
Whom shall Return to Earth WITH Him, when He Returns to Earth TO claim His Inheritance, due Him, as the Son of man and Son of God.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[GodsGrace]

Regarding “The Book of Life”…

God has revealed: He knew men before they were born (naturally).

God has every man, (naturally born) Name in Gods “Book of Life”.

He never “erases” a mans Name, rather Shall “Blot out” ( modernly REDACTED…ie. Drawing a line through the Name that it is no longer revealing the Name. )
The Names of men in Gods Book of Life which Remain, such men shall BE WITH God eternally.
Men whose Names are Blotted out, shall eternally be Separated From God.

There is ALSO the Lambs “Book of Life”.
This Book, receives Entry of Names… WHEN THEY during their “natural life time”…
Accept the Offering of Christ the Lord Jesus, to be MADE Forgiven, soul Saved, spirit born again, BEFORE their mortal bodily Death.
Names in THIS Book…
* Also Identifies:
Who is a member of Christ Jesus’ Spiritual Church.
AND
Whom is Not appointed to suffer Wrath (of God, of the Lamb, of Satan)
AND
Whom the Lord Jesus shall summon, raise up Glorified, to Meet Him IN the clouds/ air.
AND
Whom shall Return to Earth WITH Him, when He Returns to Earth TO claim His Inheritance, due Him, as the Son of man and Son of God.

Glory to God,
Taken

The above is a bit confusing.
I like nice plain teachings.
A name can be blotted out...erased...removed,
from the Book of Life.

That kills OSAS.

The bible always agrees with itself.
It's a wonderful "book".

 

[Taken]

The only reason I see for this doctrine is OSASer's trying to convince each other.

They who Understand ONCE a man IS saved it is Forever…Trust God does not Lie.

They who Do Not Understand Salvation Given a man From God is Never Revoked…
Simply use their lack of understanding to omit God from the equation and personally attack a man…so it’s okay.

Fact is:
Scripture itself reveals Gods Requirements For God to save a man.

AND:
Scripture itself reveals Jesus Requirements For Christ Jesus to save a man.

What a man Chooses, is the man’s own FREEWILL to do so.

Remembering … many men were Saved by God Before Jesus was Revealed and Offered men Salvation By, Of, Through Him.

Understanding … many men since Jesus’ Revealing on Earth:
Many Have been Saved By Christ Jesus…
Many Continued to become Saved by God…

And “up to a specific point in Time” God established for all mortal men…

Christ Jesus will Stop Saving men on Earth, and summon those He Saved, unto Him.

God Shall continue Saving men ON Earth, UNTIL, Gods Promise “TO THEM” is fulfilled and complete.

And: No one FOOLS the Lord God…
No one Receives The Lord Gods Gift of Salvation…according to a “mans way”…

And then “later claim, he received the gift, it was taken away from him, or as I have even heard from a self proclaimed Catholic authority on this forum, that men can take their gift of salvation and relinquish that gift and throw it back into the Lords Face.

The Gift of Salvation is Offered to All By, Through, Of Christ Jesus Who paid for All to have that Gift…
The Gift is Already THEIRS.
Claiming their Gift…
Taking That Gift, has Required Conditions, the claimant must meet…Before they Receive the Offered Gift.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Jack]

They who Understand ONCE a man IS saved it is Forever…Trust God does not Lie.

They who Do Not Understand Salvation Given a man From God is Never Revoked…
Simply use their lack of understanding to omit God from the equation and personally attack a man…so it’s okay.

Fact is:
Scripture itself reveals Gods Requirements For God to save a man.

AND:
Scripture itself reveals Jesus Requirements For Christ Jesus to save a man.

What a man Chooses, is the man’s own FREEWILL to do so.

Remembering … many men were Saved by God Before Jesus was Revealed and Offered men Salvation By, Of, Through Him.

Understanding … many men since Jesus’ Revealing on Earth:
Many Have been Saved By Christ Jesus…
Many Continued to become Saved by God…

And “up to a specific point in Time” God established for all mortal men…

Christ Jesus will Stop Saving men on Earth, and summon those He Saved, unto Him.

God Shall continue Saving men ON Earth, UNTIL, Gods Promise “TO THEM” is fulfilled and complete.

And: No one FOOLS the Lord God…
No one Receives The Lord Gods Gift of Salvation…according to a “mans way”…

And then “later claim, he received the gift, it was taken away from him, or as I have even heard from a self proclaimed Catholic authority on this forum, that men can take their gift of salvation and relinquish that gift and throw it back into the Lords Face.

The Gift of Salvation is Offered to All By, Through, Of Christ Jesus Who paid for All to have that Gift…
The Gift is Already THEIRS.
Claiming their Gift…
Taking That Gift, has Required Conditions, the claimant must meet…Before they Receive the Offered Gift.

Glory to God,
Taken

OSAS, A very dangerous doctrine!

 

[Taken]

OSAS, A very dangerous doctrine!

Why?

 

[Jack]

Why?

A false sense of security, a license to sin!

 

[Taken]

A false sense of security, a license to sin!

Thanks. puzzling..

Why do you conclude that The Lord Gifting a person His Gift of Salvation…that…
The Lords Power is not Sufficient to Keep that man Saved?

Why do you conclude any man needs a license to sin when all human men are born in sin?

Thanks.

 

[Jack]

Thanks. puzzling..

Why do you conclude that The Lord Gifting a person His Gift of Salvation…that…
The Lords Power is not Sufficient to Keep that man Saved?

Why do you conclude any man needs a license to sin when all human men are born in sin?

Thanks.

Salvation is HIGHLY conditional!

Luke 13:24
24 "Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.

 

[Taken]

Salvation is HIGHLY conditional!

Absolutely.

And a warning is Given “prior to Receiving Salvation”… to Be sure, very sure what conditions you are Agreeing to…

Because ONCE “given” it is Permanent.

Luke 13:24
24 "Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.

Eph 4:
[4] There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

2Pet.1
[10] Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

Heb 10:
[14] For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Jack]

Absolutely.

And a warning is Given “prior to Receiving Salvation”… to Be sure, very sure what conditions you are Agreeing to…

Because ONCE “given” it is Permanent.

A license to sin!

Eph 4:
[4] There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

2Pet.1
[10] Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

Heb 10:
[14] For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Glory to God,
Taken

1 Timothy 4:1
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,

 

[Taken]

A license to sin!

Can you define Sin…so I can understand what this imaginary license authorizes?

 

[Taken]

1 Timothy 4:1
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,

Yes, men can and will fall from Faith…

So?

Do you think a man with Faith means The man IS Saved?