Jesus said, "Some shall DEPART from THE FAITH"!
OSASer's problem, not mine.
And you said you NEVER sin! Remember?
Standing… Survey… YES or NO………………?ONCE SAV-ED…SAV-ED FOREVER [OSAS)?
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OSASer's problem, not mine.
And you said you NEVER sin! Remember?
So, according to YOU, everyone who has committed a sin since they believed and repented are not Christians!
Taken: "I Never said that."
Yes you did!
Taken: "I Never said that."
Yes you did!
No, I did not say YOU Word. I said my Word and then Repeated them verbatim for you.
You can verify your claim by reposting my post that you are claiming I said.
I can quote you saying Christians NEVER sin! Clearly saying anyone who commits a sin is not saved! You said you NEVER sin!!!
"A man having Receive his Salvation CAN NOT Sin."
Clearly saying nobody here is saved!!!
Everybody here has sinned since salvation including YOU!
Unconfessed sin may be unforgiven sin!
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False teaching of “once saved, always saved” is incorrect, since it is used as either a license to sin, or as a false comfort for those who have never been truly born again. Jesus was very clear that not everyone who says “Lord, Lord” will enter the kingdom. Only those who do the will of His Father will be called child (Matthew 7:21–23). Many people claim to be saved, but they have no repentant fruit in their lives that would show that they have ever truly known Him (1 John 2:4, 1 John 3:9). The Bible warns us not to be assured falsely, “Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith” (2 Corinthians 13:5). However, if someone has been truly born again, if they have repented of their sin and believed in Christ alone, they are secure. Jesus said of His sheep, “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand” (John 10:28). Paul affirms that nothing can separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus (Romans 8:38–39). And the true believer is kept by the power of God through faith (1 Peter 1:5). The issue is that there are so many false converts who are under the impression that a prayer, a ritual, or a momentary profession of faith means they are saved, when in reality their lives deny the faith. OSAS taught wrongly sends those people to hell, because it makes them feel as if they are safe when they are not. The Bible teaches both the security of the true believer, and the danger of false conversion. The truth is simple: if you are truly born again you are eternally secure in Christ; but if you only think you are saved and you are living in sin and unbelief then you are deceived.
I used to believe in osas but I have since learned that one can forfeit their salvation meaning they can fall away from faith not by sin as that was dealt with on the cross but I have seen many leave the faith for many reasons
An argument that is made is that they were never truly saved to begin with but this seems to me like a cop out
Because if one has to be truly saved to never fall away then is salvation really that complicated? No it is not and so seeing all these people fall away from faith has since made me believe that osas is simply not true
An argument that is made is that they were never truly saved to begin with but this seems to me like a cop out
Because if one has to be truly saved to never fall away then is salvation really that complicated? No it is not and so seeing all these people fall away from faith has since made me believe that osas is simply not true
Christian Soldier
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It wasn't a silly accusation, I simply pointed out that your interpretation of what those scriptures are saying was unbiblical and false.
Only those who have the gift of discernment, are able to rightly interpret the scriptures. You don't get to decide what the scriptures must be saying, because the Bible interprets the Bible.
One sure way of identifying false doctrine, is when it contradicts what other parts of the Bible have to say about it. Every single doctrine must line up with what all the other scriptures have to say about it. I notice, your doctrines are never supported by other scripture which deal with the same subject.
When you pluck verses of scripture out in isolation and ignore the surrounding context, then misapply them, you always end up with false doctrine.
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