Is it possible to lose salvation?

[Ronald Nolette]

Yes, I believe what Scripture teaches, and a person can lose their salvation and get it back ad-nauseum. God will forgive us 70x7 just like he asks us to forgive other 70x7. Apparantly you don't believe that?

YOu forget this passage-

4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

And 70X7 doesn't mean a loss of salvation, just a cleansing of a child of God from their sins. You make god a more abusive parent than humans. Children can be rebellious as hell itself but they are still the children of their parents.

The answer to your question is YES, I am a person. I have free will. You do not seem to believe in free will.

The unsaved have no free will. The saved have their free will restored. Only the sacved can choose to do right or wrong. The unsaved- even their good deeds are called filthy rags by god!

Paul writes to the Christians (people who already believe) in Cornith, Do not be deceived (which means one can believe and then be deceived) ...... wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God. Fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, male prostitutes, sodomites, thieves, the greedy, drunkards, revilers, robbers—none of these will inherit the kingdom of God. If you stop being deceived, you will inherit the kingdom of God. If you start being deceived again, you will not inherit the kingdom of God. Now I would remind you, brothers and sisters, of the good news that I proclaimed to you, which you in turn received, in which also you stand, through which also you are being saved, IF you hold firmly to the message that I proclaimed to you—unless you have come to believe in vain. If anyone among you wanders from the truth and is brought back by another, you should know that whoever brings back a sinner from wandering will save the sinner’s soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.

And you should do a linguistic study of this passage. It means living a lifestykle of sin. The saved will not! They may stumble and fall 70X7 in a day and are still saved. As i t is written in the Psalms, though the righteous stumble they will not fall.

And Paul in Romans 14:

Romans 14

King James Version

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14 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

al;l I know is Gods word;

I am His sheep and follow Him- and He has given me eternal life
I was chosen before the foundation of the world to be holy
I shall never perish
No one (not even me) can pluck me out of His hand.
I am already justified,
I am perfected forever.
I an dead and hidden in Christ.
When Jesus appears, I will appear with him.

I am saddened you do not believe Jesus died and paid for all your sins. If you believe you can commit a sin and lose your salvation- then you do not believe Jesus became your sin as it is written and was punished by the Father in your place.

I pray you learn in the depths of your soul the deep unspeakable love of God! YOu have made a God the bible does not recognize.

If a person had to keep their salvation by doing X amount of righteous deeds, no one would be saved, because works are not he issue for salvation!

Ephesians 2:8-10

King James Version

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8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Romans 10:9-13

King James Version

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9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

You seem to not even understand a little the massive transformation that takes place when a sinner places their trust in the death and resurrection of Jesus for their sin!

A saved person will do good works! It just happens. Just like a guy who is in love with a girl, will do all to please her. Not to gain her affection, but because he has her affection.

I work not to stay saved or maintain my salvation or even to please God! I work because I am already saved, God is pleased withj me because of Jesus and He has given me a new heart with a new desire!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Yes I never claimed otherwise. But he was an son removed from God by his choice. He wasnt abandoned he walked away. Being a son doesn't guarantee anything.

True but salvation will not be ours.

Sorry a son stays a son, no matter what they do.

You our confusing our position in Jesus (our reelationship)

With our day to day experience (our felloship)

We can break fellowship with our Father in heaven just like a child can with their parents, but no bad deed can affect our relationship. sonship and family is forever!

Jesus promised He would never leave us or forsake us! If we leave Him, He still is with us- He just won't leave.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

“And they [Israel] also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.” (Rom 11:23, KJV)

If they ISRAEL abide not STILL IN UNBELIEF.

Yes..

Thats why he said, ALL ISREAL WILL BE SAVED.

when?

When the tim eof the gentile is completed.

Rom 11 is about the state of Israel and showing God keeps his promise. Not induvidual salvation of anyone

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I've laid it out for you 100 times. You want it again?

what. That you are uinable to adequately read the word and interpret it. that you must rely on your church?

Yes. thats why I can not trust you or anything you say..

I can listen to you, a rando on the Internet, or I can listen to Ignatius of Antioch who was a disciple of John. If I have to explain to you why I chose the latter over the former then I better understand why you believe heresies.

I'm going to copy that and paste it to every reply I sent to you from now on because I know you cant grasp it but I'll keep on trying.

Or you can listen to John himself. who actually wrote the words of Jesus.

Don;'t listen to me, Don't listen to any man.. Listen to the word.

if St Ignatious can answer my questions. Please do share. and break it down.

otherwise.. I will again pass you off as not someone who i should listen to.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I am still waiting for your explanation.

What you posted is totally irrelevant.

that because you only see what you want to see

Those being judged are the gentiles. who for Israels lifetime have as Peter says walked in lewdness, lusts, drunkenness, revelries, drinking parties, and abominable idolatries. 4 In regard to these, they think it strange that you do not run with them in the same flood of dissipation, speaking evil of you.

its not speaking of King David. Or abraham, or any other of the ot church who were saved by trusting God..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

YOu forget this passage-

4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

And 70X7 doesn't mean a loss of salvation, just a cleansing of a child of God from their sins. You make god a more abusive parent than humans. Children can be rebellious as hell itself but they are still the children of their parents.

The unsaved have no free will. The saved have their free will restored. Only the sacved can choose to do right or wrong. The unsaved- even their good deeds are called filthy rags by god!

the unsaved have no free will? then how can they repent and come to jesus in faith to be saved by grace?

 

[LoveYeshua]

??

how does @pandaflower deny the gospel?

That is for you to find out, I have no time to lose with @pandaflower twisted version of scripture, she will not listen! but I guess you cannot see the difference as of yet, I hope one day you will see with your heart and not through men's false doctrine but through Christ truthful words.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That is for you to find out, I have no time to lose with @pandaflower twisted version of scripture, she will not listen! but I guess you cannot see the difference as of yet, I hope one day you will see with your heart and not through men's false doctrine but through Christ truthful words.

well you showed you think you must save yourself.

so I would worry more about my own gospel. then trying to attack someone who places their faith in the work of God and trusts in him to keep his promise

 

[Marymog]

And 70X7 doesn't mean a loss of salvation, just a cleansing of a child of God from their sins. You make god a more abusive parent than humans. Children can be rebellious as hell itself but they are still the children of their parents.

You crack me up Ronald. If God has given us the authority/ability whatever you want to call it to forgive someone 7x70 do you not think that he will forgive us 7x70? Oh wait........you do agree with me. It is "a cleansing of a child of God from their sins." And if your sins are cleansed 7 times or 7x70, you got to heaven. If your sins aren't cleansed, you don't go to heaven.

Nope, I never made God more abusive than their parents......whatever that means

 

[Marymog]

I am saddened you do not believe Jesus died and paid for all your sins. If you believe you can commit a sin and lose your salvation- then you do not believe Jesus became your sin as it is written and was punished by the Father in your place.

I pray you learn in the depths of your soul the deep unspeakable love of God! YOu have made a God the bible does not recognize.

If a person had to keep their salvation by doing X amount of righteous deeds, no one would be saved, because works are not he issue for salvation!

Oh goodness saddened Ronald. I haven't got a clue what this even means so I am unable to respond to it.

I have made a God the bible does not recognize but YOU, well YOU are the chosen one to properly interpret Scripture???????????????

What Church spoken of in Scripture do you attend? I don't think you ever answered me........

 

[Marymog]

the unsaved have no free will? then how can they repent and come to jesus in faith to be saved by grace?

Good point EG......I hadn't thought of it that way!

If we don't have the free will to repent, then we don't have the free will to sin. And if we don't have the free will to do either, WHO is forcing us to repent OR sin? God?

 

[LoveYeshua]

well you showed you think you must save yourself.

so I would worry more about my own gospel. then trying to attack someone who places their faith in the work of God and trusts in him to keep his promise

Next time I read @pandaflower and she says something contrary to the words of Christ I will let you know and explain why, just wait and see.

As for the Gospel there is only one!! That is he authoritative words of Christ, His main message IS " Repent!, the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand"

Repent means sin no more it means to follow the Commandments that are the Covenant. We may stumble sometimes but we must continue on the narrow path that leads to eternal Life. Realize that Christ clearly said that not many find this path (Mat. 7:14), well there goes the false notion that everyone is saved. Just believing in Christ is not enough, you must Abide in Him and do what he asks!! Read His words and do as he says Jesus is the only way to eternal life!

 

[nedsk]

Sorry a son stays a son, no matter what they do.

You our confusing our position in Jesus (our reelationship)

With our day to day experience (our felloship)

We can break fellowship with our Father in heaven just like a child can with their parents, but no bad deed can affect our relationship. sonship and family is forever!

Jesus promised He would never leave us or forsake us! If we leave Him, He still is with us- He just won't leave.

Its amazing to me how mightily you people struggle. You realize don't you that even when the prodigal son was feeding the pigs he was still the father's son but he walked away from the father. I'm not sure how that's confusing to you. Walking away didn't change who he was but it's presumptuous to think he was saved just because he was the son.

 

[nedsk]

that because you only see what you want to see

Those being judged are the gentiles. who for Israels lifetime have as Peter says walked in lewdness, lusts, drunkenness, revelries, drinking parties, and abominable idolatries. 4 In regard to these, they think it strange that you do not run with them in the same flood of dissipation, speaking evil of you.

its not speaking of King David. Or abraham, or any other of the ot church who were saved by trusting God..

I can listen to you, a rando on the Internet, or I can listen to Ignatius of Antioch who was a disciple of John. If I have to explain to you why I chose the latter over the former then I better understand why you believe heresies.

 

[pandaflower]

Next time I read @pandaflower and she says something contrary to the words of Christ I will let you know and explain why, just wait and see.

As for the Gospel there is only one!! That is he authoritative words of Christ, His main message IS " Repent!, the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand"

Repent means sin no more it means to follow the Commandments that are the Covenant. We may stumble sometimes but we must continue on the narrow path that leads to eternal Life. Realize that Christ clearly said that not many find this path (Mat. 7:14), well there goes the false notion that everyone is saved. Just believing in Christ is not enough, you must Abide in Him and do what he asks!! Read His words and do as he says Jesus is the only way to eternal life!

You'll be waiting a long time to do that.

When you attempt,and fail,to pervert the true Gospel you don't love Jesus.

 

[pandaflower]

well you showed you think you must save yourself.

so I would worry more about my own gospel. then trying to attack someone who places their faith in the work of God and trusts in him to keep his promise

There appear to be Humanists here. They think Jesus was just a man. And as such,they who are just a man,are able to pervert the true Gospel so to fit their ideal.

I say let them labor to save themselves. And when they're dead,learn the ultimate lesson in, we told ya so.

God calls whom he will to his grace.

 

[pandaflower]

??

how does @pandaflower deny the gospel?

She doesn't.

Those who don't know the Gospel get upset when their sophistry is revealed by you and me, and all other Christians.

 

[Behold]

I can listen to you, a rando on the Internet, or I can listen to Ignatius of Antioch who was a disciple of John.

Or you could study the Gnostic Teachings of Valentinus.
He almost became a Pope.
He's the Father of Gnosticism.

 

[nedsk]

Or you could study the Gnostic Teachings of Valentinus.
He almost became a Pope.
He's the Father of Gnosticism.

Why? gnosticism isnt Christian
But wasn't pope.
Yep, non-Christian

Makes sense now why you blather on the way you do.

 

[Jay Ross]

Yes, it is possible to lose our salvation. Ezekiel 18 tells us that the righteous can by sinning and turning away from God and not repenting.