Is it possible to lose salvation?

[pandaflower]

I'll let those more invested in the debate answer that one. Ive never had any fruitful conversation come from debating OSAS.

Accusing people of not being Christians is against the terms of service here. Anyone doing that regardless of the reason could be reported at anytime. I don't have much interest in reporting people. Im more annoyed because it's uncharitable and leads to good threads being shut down.

If a doctrine is true, it shouldnt need personal attacks to defend it.

A post and run. I get it. You had plenty to say to those who defend Eternal Security.
I'd think insisting that isn't the Gospel would be against the rules given it was Jesus ministry.

While insisting we aren't saved irrevocably is insisting we're not in Christ,Christian.

If a doctrine is true, it shouldnt need personal attacks to defend it.

Yeah,what was Jesus thinking when he chewed out those pesky Pharisees.

 

[MonoBiblical]

The early church had salvation through a rapture. We can't lose salvation because we don't have it. But we do have the promise of afterlife of heaven or hell.

 

[Wynona]

A post and run. I get it. You had plenty to say to those who defend Eternal Security.
I'd think insisting that isn't the Gospel would be against the rules given it was Jesus ministry.

While insisting we aren't saved irrevocably is insisting we're not in Christ,Christian.


Yeah,what was Jesus thinking when he chewed out those pesky Pharisees.

May the Lord bless you.

 

[pandaflower]

May the Lord bless you.

And you.

 

[pandaflower]

The early church had salvation through a rapture. We can't lose salvation because we don't have it. But we do have the promise of afterlife of heaven or hell.

We don't have Salvation?

 

[MonoBiblical]

We don't have Salvation?

Was Job cured of boils when he had them? Salvation not equal the afterlife.

 

[pandaflower]

Was Job cured of boils when he had them? Salvation not equal the afterlife.

Okie dokie. As you wish.

 

[Taken]

So the cross has the power to save and no one can lose that salvation...unless you …

You fail to reach out and TAKE …
The Gift, bought, paid for and offered for you to Take.

It is a parallel to Adam in the Garden…
Adam told, sees, offered the Tree of Life to Eat From…

Adam ignores what he was told, sees, offered…

Even a man on his death bed can claim / Take his offered gift…

Another parallel to Adam;
As Adam was being expelled from the Garden…Passing by the Tree of Life, he could have reached out and Taken and Eaten…and lived eternally.

Gen 3:
[22] And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

He didn’t.

[23] Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden,

Gen 2:
[16] And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
[17] But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Why did Adam have the last minute Option to eternal Life AFTER doing that which God Commanded and Warned Adam NOT to Do?

Gods Forgiveness..

Gen 3:
[21] Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

Flesh Body is the natural Sin of man against God.
The life of man’s body is Blood.
The life of an animal slaughtered for the Stead of a mans Sin is the Animals Blood.
The Skin of the slaughtered Animal (literally) Covered the mans Sin.

Parallel…
Jesus’ Blood, (for mans Forgiveness) Jesus’ Light IS the (literal) Covering for mans Sin…
Forgiven, Covered Sin, is no longer SEEN by God.

Later Offered…
Baptism of “The Lamb of God”.
Forgiveness, Covering, Spirit of God “INDWELLING”… IN the man…
Man no longer possible (via the Supreme Power of God)…with-IN the man to ever Again Reject / not believe / Stand Against God…ie. SIN…Against God.

The Taking / The Rejecting of The Lord Gods Offering…
Is the mans FREEWILL Option.

No such thing as Taking… Then Returning, Rejecting…

Warning: Be informed, diligent, sure…
The power of God (supreme to the power of man) WILL once and forever Save a man and once and forever Keep a man Saved.

Heb 11:
[6] But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

2Pet 1:
[10] Wherefore, the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall neuer fall.

Salvation is The Lords Gods bought, paid for, offering…
It is ONLY lost unto a man,
Because the man Rejected Taking the Gift bought for and Offered unto him.

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Or you can keep those passages in their proper grammatic construct and realize they say nothing about free will or predestination but are simple facts. That means Jesus said that whoever does A then B follows. they say nothing about how one does A which is accept Christ.

But according to your position, Jesus can choose someone to be saved, but if they don't want to be, then their will is supreme over Gods' Will.

lol..

But as many as have recieved him, to THEM he gave the right to become children of God.

Grammatical concept is a person freely recieves the word. and when they do in faith. they are made children of God.

I would go to the rest. But if you can not see it here you will not see it anywhere

 

[Eternally Grateful]

1 Corinthians 2 is helpful here.

The natural mind doesn't seem God.

Which is why God calls us. God hardened all. And frees whom he elects.

he frees by the word.

it is up to us to repent God does not repent for us

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The possibility of losing your salvation is based on turning around from your worldliness and toward the Lord. Salvation is real and when you received Jesus as your personal Lord and savior, this took place along with the promise of the Holy Spirit that dwells within you. The question should be, "Can you ignore the Holy Spirit while still living a worldly life and rejecting his promptings in your heart?" The answer, I believe, will be clear when you meet your maker. The Holy Spirit will not reject you as a new believer but God's word says he will not strive with man forever (Gen 6:3), so I think there is a time when he will acknowledge that a particular person is no longer listening to him and therefore, he will meet his maker in that condition. No longer listening and doing his own thing. What does the bible teach us about those consequences? Jm2c

would not this person be living in sin? by definition.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

As long as there is life in your body, brother @LoveYeshua, there is hope and hope in God does not disappoint.

Yes,

even if we are faithless. He is faithful He can not deny himself

 

[Eternally Grateful]

So the cross has the power to save and no one can lose that salvation...unless you believe that you can lose your salvation, then the cross has no power for you?

Ive never understood this type of argument (violation of TOS forum rules aside).

If you can't lose your salvation, it shouldn't matter if some believers believe they can. They should still be saved.

why would they still be saved. Better yet. have they ever been saved.

Are they depending on the cross for their salvation. Or are they depending on whatever it is they think they must DO to get saved, stay saved or keep from losing salvation.

I started at some point believing somewhat that you can never lose salvation. I no longer believe that. If Im still saved, then so are the others who believe you can lose your salvation. If Im no longer saved, than its possible to lose your salvation. Was I never saved in the first place? That opens up more questions.

I can not judge your salvation. But I would ask who are you trusting to save you? If you trusted in God to save you. because of the fact you KNOW you have sinned and fall short. and will never meet Gods standard.. then you would never think you can lose salvation.

Satan wants you to think you can lose salvation. If he can get you to doubt God he can take you out.

I don't wish to throw gasoline on an already heated topic. I just wish there was more benefit of the doubt given to those who differ from you on salvation.

I don't get why so often the response is ," well you just aren't a Christian."

Also, if someone is decieved in a doctrine, why not be sympathetic and patient? Im not just picking on you @Eternally Grateful , I have these questions in general.

some people are dangerous..

Some people are still learning. and questioning.

We must stand firm against those who teach a false gospel.

its one thing I guess to think God will leave and forsake you for some reason. its another to add works to the gospel of Christ. and say we are saved by grace through faith plus works..

Paul went against the judiaser's who did this..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Is it possible to lose salvation?

Yes…Because you failed to Reach out and TAKE the Gift of Salvation which WAS:
Bought For you,
Paid For you,
and
Offered for you To Reach out and TAKE.

Glory to God,
Taken

how would these be losing something you never received?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Was Job cured of boils when he had them? Salvation not equal the afterlife.

we are saved from the debt of our sins and made alive in christ.

God never promised physical healing

 

[Marymog]

That was in response to your comment - "The teaching you are repeating has only been taught for 500 years."

I am part of the church, which literally means "called out ones". This refers to God's redeemed people, the body of Christ (Colossians 1:18,24) and not a church building with the name Roman Catholic engraved on the front of it.

Good point mailmaddan. I did say 'your teaching'. But you left context out and in fairness so did I. In context, here is what you said: My teaching comes from the Bible which is more than 500 years old. That statement makes it sound like that YOU are reading the Bible and YOU are properly interpreting the Bible and YOU have come up with a teaching from the Bible based on YOUR interpretation of it. When in reality you are repeating the words of men from 500 years ago. However, you reject the teachings/writings of men that were students of the Apostles and you put YOUR words above them. fascinating.........

We agree. The Church is not a building with any name, Protestant or Catholic, engraved on it. I agree with you that you are part of The Church if you adhere to the teachings of The Church. So help me out here and tell me what YOU teach about this passage and how it fits into your narrowly defined definition of the church: 17 And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.

Scripture speaks of church leaders (deacons, elders etc) who are over/greater than individual members of The Church. Do you recognize anyone as a Church leader?

You never answered my (Paul's) question from a previous post. Oh sure you rambled on and danced around the question but you never answered it and it's a pretty direct question from Paul that can only be answered with a yes or no sooooo let's try again: The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

Also Paul made this statement: 27 Therefore whoever eats this bread or drinks this cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of the body and [a]blood of the Lord. 28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For he who eats and drinks [b]in an unworthy manner eats and drinks judgment to himself, not discerning the [c]Lord’s body.

Paul clearly believes that the bread/wine can be eaten/drank in an unworthy manner that brings judgment upon you. How can a symbol do that mailmaddan?


Patiently awaiting your response........Mary

 

[BreadOfLife]

You're fun.

No, just correct . . .

 

[MonoBiblical]

we are saved from the debt of our sins and made alive in christ.

God never promised physical healing

Debt of our wrongdoings or sin.

God always promises to fix what Satan breaks.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Debt of our wrongdoings or sin.

God always promises to fix what Satan breaks.

the wage of sin is death.

Satan did not brake you you broke yourself.

 

[MonoBiblical]

the wage of sin is death.

τὰ γὰρ ὀψώνια τῆς ἁμαρτίας θάνατος Because some wages of a sin death. Thanatos is the deprivation of life and prosperity. It is not nekros, i.e. decaying life. ἁμαρτίας is nominative singular feminine. Sin in translated a plural which is the biggest error.

Satan did not brake you you broke yourself.

And he wasn't in the garden?