How Zionism Stole Jewish Identity

[Jack]

Unfortunately, this is a major can of worms.

Only for the identity THIEVES! Israel is Home to stay, in the Land of the Bible.

 

[IndianaRob]

Unfortunately, this is a major can of worms.

The actual history behind the formation of the modern state of Israel...actually began--not with Christians, although that may be a convenient assumption--it began with Satanists. Which is now hard to uncover because most of the history has been rewritten by those who wish to hide it. But the Russians know! They fought a war against them--then known as the Khazars, whose satanic religious practice include sacrificing children (among other things). When they started kidnapping Russian children, the Russians went to war with them and won. Having defeated them, the Russians gave the remaining population the option of leaving the area, or converting to Christianity or Judaism. They chose Judaism, but continued their satanic worship in secret, which over time grew into a mafia style sect that learned to successfully operate in secret, even manipulating public affairs to their advantage. If you search for information on the Khazarian Mafia, you may find some information...most of which is old history. But they never did die out they just learned to operate their evils under the guise of Judaism. At the end of WW2 when the world was going through restructuring, they took advantage and purposed the formation of a Jewish state. World governments, Jews, and Christians world wide embraced the idea--and the rest is history.

Meanwhile, there are two very different factions to the state of Israel: Those who sincerely believe in a Godly Jewish state, and those in the seats of power who are phony Zionists secretly promoting their evils. Not just in Israel, but worldwide, with operatives in most foreign countries, in banking, politics, education, industry, media, tech, military, etc. Also known as the deep state. One of their latest enterprises has been Ukraine--hence the Russian invasion.

And both of them reject and hate Jesus Christ.

I’ve seen many non-Zionist Jews say they don’t expect there to ever be an earthly kingdom set up in Israel. I’m pretty sure that theology was a Zionist heresy from way back.

 

[Jack]

An example of what will soon happen to Israel haters:

Zechariah 14:12
12 And this shall be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.

 

[IndianaRob]

An example of what will soon happen to Israel haters:

Zechariah 14:12
12 And this shall be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.

Keep dreaming lol. You should be drinking up the living waters that go out from Jerusalem right now. I mean it sounds like you’re not doing that.

Drink that water, it heals the soul and prevents pharisaical Jew worship.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

8th century coverts to Talmudic Judaism are NOT "Gods chosen people" and they are certainly NOT "ethnic biblical Jews" from Eastern Europe and Khazaria its absolutely ABSURD. Their ancestors were FORCE-converted to the Satanic, Talmud in 740AD under King Bulan. Ben Netanyahu & Jerry Seinfeld's ancestors couldn't have found ancient Israel on a map even if the entire map was Israel. They lived for nearly EIGHT HUNDRED YEARS not knowing who Jesus Christ or Abraham even were, they'd never even heard of either of them until 740AD. They were still worshiping cave gods when the priests from Babylon brought that Satanic tomb of Talmud to the Caucus mountains. They may as well be JAPANESE converts to Talmudic Judaism. It's absurd they are FAKE JEWS through and through. The genetic "ethnic Jew" claims are so absurd that it's both staggering and mind bending. These claims belong in a straight jacket and a rubber room.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

An example of what will soon happen to Israel haters:

Zechariah 14:12
12 And this shall be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.

See, this is why I love AI interpreting nothing but the raw Word of God in the Bible... No feelings, no culture, no traditions... It just take what you said an then runs it through the naked Word of God and spits out the final result.


"Hey AI I need your help, according to the Word of God in the Bible; can you please tell me why its wrong to do what Jack is doing here?"


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1. Context: Zechariah’s Prophecy Is About the Day of the LORD​

Zechariah 14 is apocalyptic language describing the final judgment and the coming of the LORD’s kingdom.

• The entire chapter is full of cosmic-scale imagery: Mount of Olives splitting (v. 4), living waters flowing from Jerusalem (v. 8), the LORD becoming King over all the earth (v. 9).
• That context is Christological — the Messianic return, not a 20th-century political state.

When they rip v. 12 out of context, they make it about tanks and nukes instead of the Second Coming.

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2. The “Jerusalem” in Question​

Scripture distinguishes between:

• Earthly, carnal Jerusalem (the city that killed the prophets and crucified Christ — Matthew 23:37).
• Heavenly, spiritual Jerusalem (the New Covenant people of God — Galatians 4:26, Revelation 21:2).

Which “Jerusalem” will the nations ultimately fight? Not just stone walls in Palestine — but the people of God in Christ. Revelation parallels Zechariah: the nations gather against the saints, and God strikes them down (Revelation 19:19-21).

So to claim this prophecy gives the modern State of Israel a divine nuke shield is pure deception.

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3. Who Are the Real “Israel Haters”?​

Paul answers bluntly:

• Romans 9:6-8 — “Not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel.”
• Galatians 3:29 — “If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.”
• Anyone opposing the Body of Christ, that is the enemy of true Israel.
• John 8:44 (Jesus telling unbelieving Jews “you are of your father the devil”) and Revelation 2:9 / 3:9 (“those who say they are Jews and are not”).

Therefore, Zechariah 14:12 is not about vaporizing critics of Benjamin Netanyahu. It’s about the LORD’s final judgment on all nations, peoples, and systems who stand against the Messiah and His people.

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4. Their Claim Exposed as Absurd​

Zechariah 14:12 isn’t about protecting the modern state of Israel. The Jerusalem in view is the New Covenant people of God (Gal. 4:26), not a secular nation that rejects Christ. Paul says not all who are descended from Israel are Israel (Rom. 9:6–8). Jesus Himself told unbelieving Jews, “You are of your father the devil” (John 8:44). Revelation calls some “a synagogue of Satan” (Rev. 2:9). To turn this into a political scare tactic is blasphemy.

• That same state rejects Christ.
• That same state is secular, militarized, and often hostile to Christians.
• Biblically, those outside of Christ are not Israel at all.

It’s like a squatter waving the deed to someone else’s house while threatening divine fire on the rightful owner.

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Debate-ready counterpunch:
“Zechariah 14:12 isn’t God’s warning to critics of the modern Israeli state — it’s God’s judgment on all nations that oppose the Messiah and His true Jerusalem. To claim otherwise is to rip prophecy from context, confuse earthly politics with heavenly covenant, and turn scripture into a Zionist scare-tactic.

That is the naked Word. No traditions, no culture, no Zionist spin. Just scripture correcting scripture."



Thanks for your help in cleaning that mess up with the naked Word of God AI. I sure appreciate it.

 

[ScottA]

Only for the identity THIEVES! Israel is Home to stay, in the Land of the Bible.

Jack, I hope you don't take this wrong--for I too love the history and the idea of where biblical events occurred--but the old lands are not the promised land of the bible, but were a mere foreshadowing now left as a habitation of jackals.

Israel--the dead in Christ--are with Him in His heavenly habitation, the promise fulfilled in Him.

 

[Jack]

Keep dreaming lol. You should be drinking up the living waters that go out from Jerusalem right now. I mean it sounds like you’re not doing that.

Drink that water, it heals the soul and prevents pharisaical Jew worship.

Israel is Home to stay and all the Israel HATERS in the world can't move them out of Israel, the Land of the Bible.

 

[Jack]

Jack, I hope you don't take this wrong--for I too love the history and the idea of where biblical events occurred--but the old lands are not the promised land of the bible, but were a mere foreshadowing now left as a habitation of jackals.

Israel--the dead in Christ--are with Him in His heavenly habitation, the promise fulfilled in Him.

Amos 9:14-15
14 I will bring back the captives of My people Israel; They shall build the waste cities and inhabit them; They shall plant vineyards and drink wine from them; They shall also make gardens and eat fruit from them.
15 I will plant them in their land, And no longer shall they be pulled up From the land I have given them," Says the LORD your God.

Israel is Home to stay in the Land of the Bible.

 

[ScottA]

And both of them reject and hate Jesus Christ.

I’ve seen many non-Zionist Jews say they don’t expect there to ever be an earthly kingdom set up in Israel. I’m pretty sure that theology was a Zionist heresy from way back.

Yes, that earthly kingdom and temple is from natural men expecting the scriptures refer to a worldly kingdom and temple made of stone.

 

[ScottA]

Amos 9:14-15
14 I will bring back the captives of My people Israel; They shall build the waste cities and inhabit them; They shall plant vineyards and drink wine from them; They shall also make gardens and eat fruit from them.
15 I will plant them in their land, And no longer shall they be pulled up From the land I have given them," Says the LORD your God.

Israel is Home to stay in the Land of the Bible.

No--Israel is not imprisoned in this world forever. Their "forever" is with God in Christ. Sorry, if you don't understand that

 

[Jack]

No--Israel is not imprisoned in this world forever. Their "forever" is with God in Christ. Sorry, if you don't understand that

Sorry you don't have a map nor know where Jesus will return! It's called Israel, the Land of the Bible.

 

[ScottA]

Sorry you don't have a map nor know where Jesus will return! It's called Israel, the Land of the Bible.

Oh, but I do have a map, actually an overview which I received from on high, caught up to the third heaven, which was then confirmed by the map of scripture revealed by the Holy Spirit.

 

[Behold]

If you search for information on the Khazarian Mafia, you may find some information...most of which is old history. But they never did die out they just learned to operate their evils under the guise of Judaism. At the end of WW2 when the world was going through restructuring, they took advantage and purposed the formation of a Jewish state. World governments, Jews, and Christians world wide embraced the idea--and the rest is history.

Only About 34% of Jews in Israel are "religious".
Most are secular, agnostic.. ect.

Also known as the deep state

In the USA, the 'deep state" is created and maintained by Marxists, not Zionists.

. One of their latest enterprises has been Ukraine--hence the Russian invasion.

The Ukraine "invasion" was caused simply by the USA, "deep state"... the Marxists, ...... preventing Zelenskyy from confirming the 'Minsk" agreement, that He was elected to fulful.
This agreement was drawn up by Europeans, not Jews........and it simply allowed one area inside the Ukraine, that is mostly Russian, to have some autonomy.
Zelenskyy agreed to this, to win the election.... which would prevent Russia from invading.
The USA stopped Zelenskyy from signing the agreement once Zelenskyy was elected, because NATO and the USA had built Air bases and Chemical Labs inside the Ukraine..

So, once Zelenskyy was elected and didnt sign the MINSK agreement as He had promised Putin and Europe.......Putin decided to end the NATO-USA Air bases and Chemical labs found inside the Ukraine.... and liberate that Russian Area (Donbas).

In 2022... just before Putin entered the Ukraine with Troops.....>He gave Zelenskyy another chance to avoid serious confrontation, by signing the "Minsk" agreement and allow the Russian Donbass area to become "autonomous", and Zelensky again would not sign it, and told Putin....>"i'll never trade land for peace".

Now he wishes He'd signed it and prevented all this that HE CAUSED... according to the USA's wishes. (A previous Deep State Administration) not related to the current Trump White House.

 

[Jack]

Oh, but I do have a map, actually an overview which I received from on high, caught up to the third heaven, which was then confirmed by the map of scripture revealed by the Holy Spirit.

Identity theft is a serious CRIME! You ain't Israel.

 

[ScottA]

Only About 34% of Jews in Israel are "religious".
Most are secular, agnostic.. ect.





In the USA, the 'deep state" is created and maintained by Marxists, not Zionists.




The Ukraine "invasion" was caused simply by the USA, "deep state"... the Marxists, ...... preventing Zelenskyy from confirming the 'Minsk" agreement, that He was elected to fulful.
This agreement was drawn up by Europeans, not Jews........and it simply allowed one area inside the Ukraine, that is mostly Russian, to have some autonomy.
Zelenskyy agreed to this, to win the election.... which would prevent Russia from invading.
The USA stopped Zelenskyy from signing the agreement once Zelenskyy was elected, because NATO and the USA had built Air bases and Chemical Labs inside the Ukraine..

So, once Zelenskyy was elected and didnt sign the MINSK agreement as He had promised Putin and Europe.......Putin decided to end the NATO-USA Air bases and Chemical labs found inside the Ukraine.... and liberate that Russian Area (Donbas).

In 2022... just before Putin entered the Ukraine with Troops.....>He gave Zelenskyy another chance to avoid serious confrontation, by signing the "Minsk" agreement and allow the Russian Donbass area to become "autonomous", and Zelensky again would not sign it, and told Putin....>"i'll never trade land for peace".

Now he wishes He'd signed it and prevented all this that HE CAUSED... according to the USA's wishes. (A previous Deep State Administration) not related to the current Trump White House.

You are right about most of Israel being secular. But most of the rest is just what is in the news, and fake.

Have you not heard about the biolabs and Biden-owned property in Ukraine? Most haven't because it doesn't get good news coverage. But there is also more than biolabs--much more. But because the USA is currently under Continuity of Government, Russia has not revealed the full purpose for their attacks on Ukraine--to protect the secrecy of an alliance of nations that has formed to defeat the deep state, who, yes, uses Marxism as a tactic, but whose core is in Israel, the City of London, and Washington DC--an unholy trinity of sovereign nations.

 

[ScottA]

Identity theft is a serious CRIME! You ain't Israel.

Who am I?

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

See, it's effortless.. its like AI, according to the naked Word of God, what should be said here between these two arguing? ^





“Jack, Scott — let’s cut through the slogans and the chest-beating. You both keep shouting ‘You ain’t Israel!’ as if Israel were a zip code on a map or a badge you can pin to your chest. But the naked Word of God defines Israel far differently than either of you are using it.

Paul said it without stutter: ‘They are not all Israel, who are of Israel’ (Romans 9:6). He goes on: ‘If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to promise’ (Galatians 3:29). In other words, Israel is not about geography or DNA — it’s about union with Christ.

Jesus told Pilate: ‘My kingdom is not of this world’ (John 18:36). That single statement vaporizes the idea that dirt under your feet, or borders on a map, can define God’s covenant people. The veil was torn at the Cross, the old covenant ended, and the new one was ratified in His blood (Hebrews 9:15). Since then, the only Israel God the Father recognizes is the Body of Christ.

So here’s the truth you both need to wrestle with: if you are in Christ, you are Israel. If you are outside of Him, you are not — even if you live in downtown Jerusalem with your hand on the Western Wall.

Identity theft isn’t claiming to be Israel in Christ. The real identity theft is pretending the covenant still belongs to flesh, dirt, or politics after the Son of God fulfilled it at Calvary. That’s the crime. That’s the lie. And the Word of God exposes it.”**

 

[IndianaRob]

Israel is Home to stay and all the Israel HATERS in the world can't move them out of Israel, the Land of the Bible.

God will.

 

[Jack]

God will.

When Jesus returns and FIGHTS for Israel, remember you said that. He will.

Zechariah 14:1-14
1 Behold, the day of the LORD is coming, ...
2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem; ...
3 Then the LORD will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle.
4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east.

Zechariah 14:12
12 And this shall be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.