This is beautiful concerning our relationship with Jesus, but I think you are stretching this passage beyond recognition to get there.
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Bible Study: The Gospel is in the Torah
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We always reveal ourselves in our words. Jesus said this. And here we see the reality once again.
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This is what I don't understand, feeling trapped in that walk. For me when God gave me this it was complete liberty, without any loss. I simply wasn't thinking that way. What I don't understand is how anyone would think that way, in the full control of the Holy Spirit. There were no fleshy thoughts of any kind.
I know we are all different, and our knowledge of the Holy is different, even so, Biblically speaking, how would that be? Feeling trapped in the walk of the Spirit, Scripture speaks otherwise. If you walk in the Spirit you do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh, which, desiring independance from the Holy Spirit, I would have to say that was flesh. So how is it you are walking according to flesh while walking in the Spirit? That is specifically refuted in the Scriptures, one place is Galations 5.
To your second occasion, I likewise fail to understand what you've said about that. If you failed a test that means you were already walking according to flesh, otherwise, the test would have been a proof of your faith as you endured it. It's only if you were not walking in the Spirit that you would not have the endurance, the faithfulness, the self-control, to accomplish any affliction or testing. Walking in the Spirit, there is no doing the works of the flesh, only patient faithful endurance through any testing.
2 Corinthians 3:15-18 KJV
15) But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16) Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
17) Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18) But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
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Isn't this the righteousness required to enter into the Kingdom? Isn't this something that must be imputed as it cannot be obtained through self effort?
Is this righteousness perfect and without sin? If this kind of walk is not obtained can the righteousness of God not be imputed?
2 Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
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I think there is wilful, is serious and needs repentance and forgiveness, inadvertent needs forgiveness and unaware, needs Ps 139.
You may not have "meant that" but you did say it... in post #55 when you said, "I was once like you," and then proceeded to explain what you experienced. By saying "I was once like you," you are assuming that Epi's experience is like yours.
Our effort our righteousness...His anointing, His righteousness. Everything in the New Covenant is built on basic righteousness. That's why repentance is necessary. We sacrifice all to buy or qualify for a gift of faith that unlocks grace and a covering in God's own righteousness. As such we fulfill the law as Jesus did. Overcomers as He was.
Bad translation. "He was made to be sin for (by) us, who knew no sin, that we might fulfill (ginomai) the righteousness of God in Him."
That Greek word "ginomai" as in thy will be DONE (ginomai) on earth as it is in heaven. (Done or fulfilled)
This statement is akin to the Lord's prayer...fulfilling God's will on earth as in heaven.
We are obviously not speaking of the same thing. You would have to understand losing your life as a normal human and other people seeing you with fear and distancing themselves. It's like being a different kind of creation...a new creation.
There are indeed different intensities to the higher walk...but at whatever level God's grace is sufficient for a full victory over sin.
Temptation. I was tempted by the devil who mimicked a previous experience from God. I didn't understand what righteousness is...unlike today.
I had won many victories, but failed due to a lack of knowledge of God's ways at the time. What I thought was a commandment to me was only a test...and I failed that test. No one fails holiness and remains in the Spirit. All holiness sins are sins that lead to death (separation). The soul that sins it shall die...and that is specifically for believers. Unbelievers are already dead to the Spirit.
Read Exodus. The Israelites who survived the wilderness were then tested in the Promised land.
To put it briefly... The wilderness walk is about getting to a place of full surrender into purity (holiness).
The holy walk in the spirit (Promised land) is about being tested and tried into MATURITY...the full stature of Christ.
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The only righteousness that God accepts is what He offers for free.
Romans 4:6
6 """"And in this same way David speaks of the blessing on the one to whom God credits righteousness apart from works""
Romans 4:5
But to the one who does not work [that is, the one who does not try to earn his salvation by doing good], but believes and completely trusts in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited to him as righteousness"
Romans 5:17..... 17 For if by the trespass of the one (Adam), death reigned through the one (Adam), much more surely will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free GIFT of righteousness =reign in [eternal] life through the One, Jesus Christ.
Are you sure you read the bible?
But in every nation he that fears him, and works righteousness, is accepted with him. Acts 10:35
Your understanding is way off... Paul is drawing attention to a holy walk in Zion....in the spiritual kingdom realm. Not something you can just claim by reading a bible. Try reading more than just teachings from men.
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I post verses, and you cant answer them
But thats ok, as i want the members to see what you do.
Your verse is talking about "nations".......not Sinners.
Sinners are this..
"All have sinned, there is none righteous......no not one"..
So, God came here, in Human Flesh to give us "the gift of Righteousness".
You dont have God's , or you would be celebrating it, vs, denying it.
Romans 4:6
6 """"And in this same way David speaks of the blessing on the one to whom God credits righteousness apart from works""
Romans 4:5
"""""But to the one who does not work [that is, the one who does not try to earn his salvation by doing good], but believes and completely trusts in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited to him as righteousness"
Romans 5:17....""""" For if by the trespass of the one (Adam), death reigned through the one (Adam), much more surely will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free GIFT of righteousness =reign in [eternal] life through the One, Jesus Christ.
Paul never mentioned a "walk in Zion".
Go ahead an post a New Testament verse that states that a Christian, is supposed to have a "walk in Zion".
No such verse exists in the New Testament.
Your Theology is religious science fiction.
Topic was - walking in holiness and what that means, that's the link.
Alright, misunderstanding, can happen.
Nevertheless the disdain received did not read as sinless perfection to me, your mileage may vary.
Do tell about the holy walk in Zion.
Hebr 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering,
That ?
There is much that hinges on that single word. The "middle" voice demands participation from both sides. So fulfill is acceptable:
A bit different than "saved by grace through faith" in which "saved" is in the passive voice, denoting the subject has nothing to do with the action:
So while salvation is something God does alone, entering into His righteousness(sanctification) is a cooperative effort of both us and God.
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I think the translators are misguided in using "ginomai" as "to become". The context is the Lord's prayer where ginomai is used to mean "be done" or "fulfill". In that sense using ginomai to be "become" would render the text...Your will become on earth as it is in heaven...which makes no sense. Similarly to "become" the righteousness of God also makes no sense. No one becomes righteousness. We DO righteousness, we FULFILL righteousness...but it is impossible to BECOME righteousness...especially considering that it is God's righteousness we are purported to become. No, fulfill is the correct rendering of the text.
So often people will try interpreting the bible based on a previous understanding of it. They try to make the word fit a narrative rather than using comparatives in the bible.
One would have to have encountered holiness to understand this.
Was Uzzah struck down by God when he steadied the cart containing the ark of the covenant based on a righteousness sin, or a holiness sin?
Was he not simply doing what any person would do to preserve something of importance...at least from what is seen normally as doing right? "My people perish for lack of knowledge"
What do you think the gospel of the kingdom is about? In the OT we are told to cry out the "good news of Zion" (Mevaseret Tsion) from the mountain top.
I got my second blessing, it changed my walk in Christ into holiness, so I know what you are talking about. But it never was into Zion or about sinless perfection, it was about total obedience.
You are creating new words, walking in Zion, holiness sins, higher walk, more ?
If it is meant to impress people, it doesn't work for me.
What about -
Luk 23:43 And he said to him, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise.”
Forgotten about that?
The point I found interesting was the fact that ginomai is in the middle voice. This means that both parties have something to doin order to establish this righteousness. Like I mentioned earlier about salvation is in the passive voice meaning God alone accomplished it. But the establishment of the righteousness of God's middle voice means we do have something to do with that. What are your thoughts on this?
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