The Rapture and the Tribulation - Short

[Davy]

There is only one Gog Magog war. It happens after the 1000 years.

Not correct. There are two.

The 1st one of Ezekiel 38 names the specific nations that will represent Gog/Magog coming up against Israel on the last day of this present world, at the battle of Armageddon.

1st one - Ezek.38, specific nations given that come up against Israel on last day of this world.

2nd one - Rev.20:8-9, nations not named, and these come up against the "camp of the saints" on earth, which means the CHRISTIAN "camp of the saints" on earth.

Is there a difference between today's Israel and the future "camp of the saints" after Jesus' return? Yes, of course. It's about timing, because during this present world, on the last day, Israel in the holy land is still NOT a Christian nation made up of 'saints'. The majority of Jews in today's nation of Israel still reject Jesus Christ.

But for Christ's future reign with His elect, on earth, the "camp of the saints" and "beloved city" (new Jerusalem, on earth) will represent Christ's base of rule with His Christian saints. Just by that difference between this world, and that future time after Christ's future "thousand years" reign, makes it easy to know those two Gog examples are different times and events.

 

[rebuilder 454]

This is incorrect. Until the coming of Messiah is 69 weeks. Messiah is cut off 3.5 years later. There is only 3.5 years left of the 70th week.


There is not a 7 year tribulation. From the time the abomination of desolation is set up there is only 3.5 years until the sanctuary is cleansed.


No. Not correct. There is one week that will begin when there is a covenant made with many. The remaining 3.5 years of the 70th week will begin when the AOD is set up. I don't suspect that the Antichrist will confirm the covenant until after the Church is raptured.

There will be a pretrib rapture before the great tribulation begins.

How do you explain all the trib unleashed BEFORE the temple desecration.

No...it is not half the trib gone and half future.

Jacob's trouble is 7 years.
The church is in heaven 7 years.

Note the innumerable number.
Martyrs that came out of the trib.
Note that they wave palm branches.
In the Feast of Tabernacles, they wave Palm branches for 7 days.
That correlates with the seven year time period that they ,the enumerable number, will be in heaven.

We know it is 7 because 1) it says so. 2) " in the middle of the week "
What is "the middle of 7"?( per daniel)
Ahem....3.5.

You insist that dynamic is not there.

 

[Behold]

Currently we are in the "Time of the Gentiles".

This is going to end, and that begins the "Tribulation.

The Rapture of the Body of Christ occurs between the "Time of the gentiles" and the beginning of the Tribulation.

A.) Very soon.

 

[Prycejosh1987]

Not all of Israel will be saved, 144,000 of the will be. Revelation chapter 7. 12,000 from each tribe of Israel.

 

[Rockerduck]

Not all of Israel will be saved, 144,000 of the will be. Revelation chapter 7. 12,000 from each tribe of Israel.

Nobody is getting into Heaven without knowing Christ as their savior.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Not all of Israel will be saved, 144,000 of the will be. Revelation chapter 7. 12,000 from each tribe of Israel.

Incorrect.
The 144000 are declared as first fruits in the Bible.
First fruits points to harvest.
Main Harvest follows first fruits.
So the 144k is a very small section of the Jews that will be saved.
144k are harvested in rev 14
Main harvest of the Jews is Rev 14:14

 

[IndianaRob]

Currently we are in the "Time of the Gentiles".

This is going to end, and that begins the "Tribulation.

The Rapture of the Body of Christ occurs between the "Time of the gentiles" and the beginning of the Tribulation.

A.) Very soon.

The times of the gentiles being over is talking about God using the gentile armies to destroy Israel.

There will never come a day when a person, any person, can’t call upon the name of the Lord and be saved.

 

[Behold]

The times of the gentiles being over is talking about God using the gentile armies to destroy Israel.

The "time of the gentiles" is not over, but its soon to be over.
It ends, just before the Trib begins.

There will never come a day when a person, any person, can’t call upon the name of the Lord and be saved.

You wont find Paul's gospel........ "The Gospel of the Grace of God"........ being preached in the Trib by the 144,000 Jews.

 

[The Light]

How do you explain all the trib unleashed BEFORE the temple desecration.

It is the beginning of sorrows in Matthew 24
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

No...it is not half the trib gone and half future.

The tribulation is the great tribulation which is time, times and half a time.............3.5 years.

Jacob's trouble is 7 years.

The great tribulation is 3.5 year long...............there is 3.5 years left in the 70th week of Daniel

The church is in heaven 7 years.

Noah was not in the ark 7 years before the flood. The first year of the seven he was loading animals and we do not know when the ark door is shut.

Note the innumerable number.
Martyrs that came out of the trib.
Note that they wave palm branches.
In the Feast of Tabernacles, they wave Palm branches for 7 days.

The martyrs wave palm branches as victory. When Jesus arrived in Jerusalem, they also waved palm branches, but that was in the spring, The palm branches that are waved on the feast of Tabernacles are waved on the last feast in the fall, when the millennial kingdom is set up and the Lord Tabernacles on the earth. Don't jump to an incorrect conclusion based on the waving of palm branches.

That correlates with the seven year time period that they ,the enumerable number, will be in heaven.

Noah was not in the ark 7 days before the flood, and the Church will not be in heaven 7 years before the millennial kingdom.

We know it is 7 because 1) it says so. 2) " in the middle of the week "
What is "the middle of 7"?( per daniel)
Ahem....3.5.

You insist that dynamic is not there.

There is a final week, but that is not the 70th week of Daniel . The final week will begin when a 7-year covenant with many has been signed. That covenant will later be confirmed by the Antichrist.

As for the 70th week of Daniel, there is only 3.5 years left in the 70th week.........time, times and half a time.
Daniel 12
7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

Right now, there are many, many watchmen that think that the Lord is coming on September 23/24, 2025. They have all moved Christs death to 32AD because they do not understand that Noah is not in the ark 7 days before the flood. They also do not understand that the final week is not the 70th week of Daniel. The 70th week only has 3.5 year remaining as from the time of the decree to rebuild Jerusalem to Messiah the prince is 69 weeks. After that.........3.5 years later, Messiah is cut off. That leaves 3.5 years.

All these watchmen that have moved the death of Christ to 32AD are completely in error. The Passover will not allow 32AD to be considered for Christs death. Christ died in 30AD.

Also, they are looking for the Messiah to come on the Feast of Trumpets. The feast of Trumpets is for the Jews when the Lord comes on the feast of trumpets at the last trump. The Church is raptured in the summer, so all these confirmations about the Feast of Trumpets rapture of the Church are in error.

When the Church is raptured in the summer, the Jews will say, Jeremiah 8:20 The harvest is past, the summer has ended, and we are not saved.

These watchmen have completely forgotten about the 7 year Accelerated SDG covenant that the UN signed in September 2023. It is unconfirmed at this time but should not be forgotten about.

If Christ comes in 2025, it will be before the end of summer which is September 22, 2025. The rapture of the Church will not happen on the Feast of Trumpets as that is not Biblical.

 

[rebuilder 454]

It is the beginning of sorrows in Matthew 24
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

The tribulation is the great tribulation which is time, times and half a time.............3.5 years.


The great tribulation is 3.5 year long...............there is 3.5 years left in the 70th week of Daniel

Noah was not in the ark 7 years before the flood. The first year of the seven he was loading animals and we do not know when the ark door is shut.


The martyrs wave palm branches as victory. When Jesus arrived in Jerusalem, they also waved palm branches, but that was in the spring, The palm branches that are waved on the feast of Tabernacles are waved on the last feast in the fall, when the millennial kingdom is set up and the Lord Tabernacles on the earth. Don't jump to an incorrect conclusion based on the waving of palm branches.

Noah was not in the ark 7 days before the flood, and the Church will not be in heaven 7 years before the millennial kingdom.


There is a final week, but that is not the 70th week of Daniel . The final week will begin when a 7-year covenant with many has been signed. That covenant will later be confirmed by the Antichrist.

As for the 70th week of Daniel, there is only 3.5 years left in the 70th week.........time, times and half a time.
Daniel 12
7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

Right now, there are many, many watchmen that think that the Lord is coming on September 23/24, 2025. They have all moved Christs death to 32AD because they do not understand that Noah is not in the ark 7 days before the flood. They also do not understand that the final week is not the 70th week of Daniel. The 70th week only has 3.5 year remaining as from the time of the decree to rebuild Jerusalem to Messiah the prince is 69 weeks. After that.........3.5 years later, Messiah is cut off. That leaves 3.5 years.

All these watchmen that have moved the death of Christ to 32AD are completely in error. The Passover will not allow 32AD to be considered for Christs death. Christ died in 30AD.

Also, they are looking for the Messiah to come on the Feast of Trumpets. The feast of Trumpets is for the Jews when the Lord comes on the feast of trumpets at the last trump. The Church is raptured in the summer, so all these confirmations about the Feast of Trumpets rapture of the Church are in error.

When the Church is raptured in the summer, the Jews will say, Jeremiah 8:20 The harvest is past, the summer has ended, and we are not saved.

These watchmen have completely forgotten about the 7 year Accelerated SDG covenant that the UN signed in September 2023. It is unconfirmed at this time but should not be forgotten about.

If Christ comes in 2025, it will be before the end of summer which is September 22, 2025. The rapture of the Church will not happen on the Feast of Trumpets as that is not Biblical.

No, the 4 horsemen are not the beginning of sorrows. You totally made that up, you seem to forget, the first horseman is the Antichrist and that Kicks off the great tribulation of 7 years.
According to Daniel, in the middle of that tribulation, is when the Antichrist enters the temple, so in the middle of 7 years, the Antichrist. Enter the temple.
The 4 horsemen are not what is present today. I don't know where you got that from


The fact there are 7 days of Noah entering the ark is up to the reader to unpack.
It does not correlate to anything.
Noah anology is:
1) the ark is a type of heaven.
2) the ARK WITH GODS PEOPLE rises into the heavens .(rapture) ( nothing to do with Noah entering the ark on the ground)
3) the ark is the heavens above the earth.during the ENTIRETY of the 7 yr trib
4) Noah returns back to earth AFTER THE TRIB and sets up a new kingdom.

No, there is nothing indicating 3.5 years of the trib are finished.
You came up with that one due to necessity.
( your strict "trib vs wrath" misplacement.)

 

[rebuilder 454]

It is the beginning of sorrows in Matthew 24
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

The tribulation is the great tribulation which is time, times and half a time.............3.5 years.


The great tribulation is 3.5 year long...............there is 3.5 years left in the 70th week of Daniel

Noah was not in the ark 7 years before the flood. The first year of the seven he was loading animals and we do not know when the ark door is shut.


The martyrs wave palm branches as victory. When Jesus arrived in Jerusalem, they also waved palm branches, but that was in the spring, The palm branches that are waved on the feast of Tabernacles are waved on the last feast in the fall, when the millennial kingdom is set up and the Lord Tabernacles on the earth. Don't jump to an incorrect conclusion based on the waving of palm branches.

Noah was not in the ark 7 days before the flood, and the Church will not be in heaven 7 years before the millennial kingdom.


There is a final week, but that is not the 70th week of Daniel . The final week will begin when a 7-year covenant with many has been signed. That covenant will later be confirmed by the Antichrist.

As for the 70th week of Daniel, there is only 3.5 years left in the 70th week.........time, times and half a time.
Daniel 12
7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

Right now, there are many, many watchmen that think that the Lord is coming on September 23/24, 2025. They have all moved Christs death to 32AD because they do not understand that Noah is not in the ark 7 days before the flood. They also do not understand that the final week is not the 70th week of Daniel. The 70th week only has 3.5 year remaining as from the time of the decree to rebuild Jerusalem to Messiah the prince is 69 weeks. After that.........3.5 years later, Messiah is cut off. That leaves 3.5 years.

All these watchmen that have moved the death of Christ to 32AD are completely in error. The Passover will not allow 32AD to be considered for Christs death. Christ died in 30AD.

Also, they are looking for the Messiah to come on the Feast of Trumpets. The feast of Trumpets is for the Jews when the Lord comes on the feast of trumpets at the last trump. The Church is raptured in the summer, so all these confirmations about the Feast of Trumpets rapture of the Church are in error.

When the Church is raptured in the summer, the Jews will say, Jeremiah 8:20 The harvest is past, the summer has ended, and we are not saved.

These watchmen have completely forgotten about the 7 year Accelerated SDG covenant that the UN signed in September 2023. It is unconfirmed at this time but should not be forgotten about.

If Christ comes in 2025, it will be before the end of summer which is September 22, 2025. The rapture of the Church will not happen on the Feast of Trumpets as that is not Biblical.

So you are A postribber, since all that is left is the wrath part of the 70th week.

 

[rebuilder 454]

It is the beginning of sorrows in Matthew 24
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

The tribulation is the great tribulation which is time, times and half a time.............3.5 years.


The great tribulation is 3.5 year long...............there is 3.5 years left in the 70th week of Daniel

Noah was not in the ark 7 years before the flood. The first year of the seven he was loading animals and we do not know when the ark door is shut.


The martyrs wave palm branches as victory. When Jesus arrived in Jerusalem, they also waved palm branches, but that was in the spring, The palm branches that are waved on the feast of Tabernacles are waved on the last feast in the fall, when the millennial kingdom is set up and the Lord Tabernacles on the earth. Don't jump to an incorrect conclusion based on the waving of palm branches.

Noah was not in the ark 7 days before the flood, and the Church will not be in heaven 7 years before the millennial kingdom.


There is a final week, but that is not the 70th week of Daniel . The final week will begin when a 7-year covenant with many has been signed. That covenant will later be confirmed by the Antichrist.

As for the 70th week of Daniel, there is only 3.5 years left in the 70th week.........time, times and half a time.
Daniel 12
7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

Right now, there are many, many watchmen that think that the Lord is coming on September 23/24, 2025. They have all moved Christs death to 32AD because they do not understand that Noah is not in the ark 7 days before the flood. They also do not understand that the final week is not the 70th week of Daniel. The 70th week only has 3.5 year remaining as from the time of the decree to rebuild Jerusalem to Messiah the prince is 69 weeks. After that.........3.5 years later, Messiah is cut off. That leaves 3.5 years.

All these watchmen that have moved the death of Christ to 32AD are completely in error. The Passover will not allow 32AD to be considered for Christs death. Christ died in 30AD.

Also, they are looking for the Messiah to come on the Feast of Trumpets. The feast of Trumpets is for the Jews when the Lord comes on the feast of trumpets at the last trump. The Church is raptured in the summer, so all these confirmations about the Feast of Trumpets rapture of the Church are in error.

When the Church is raptured in the summer, the Jews will say, Jeremiah 8:20 The harvest is past, the summer has ended, and we are not saved.

These watchmen have completely forgotten about the 7 year Accelerated SDG covenant that the UN signed in September 2023. It is unconfirmed at this time but should not be forgotten about.

If Christ comes in 2025, it will be before the end of summer which is September 22, 2025. The rapture of the Church will not happen on the Feast of Trumpets as that is not Biblical.

Rev 13
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

That is the white horse rider.
Killing Saints...PEOPLE OF GOD ...born again believers killed during the first part of the 7 yr trib...(ahem, every single one of them on the planet.)
( the part you say already happened.)

It is they, the Inumerable number, in heaven, that are the ones that he kills, and it even says they came out of the tribulation.

Note that They are NOT told to go up under the altar where the martyrs are being held, but rather they are in the general population of heaven. Signifying to the martyrs under the altar, that their numbers are complete.

 

[rebuilder 454]

It is the beginning of sorrows in Matthew 24
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

The tribulation is the great tribulation which is time, times and half a time.............3.5 years.


The great tribulation is 3.5 year long...............there is 3.5 years left in the 70th week of Daniel

Noah was not in the ark 7 years before the flood. The first year of the seven he was loading animals and we do not know when the ark door is shut.


The martyrs wave palm branches as victory. When Jesus arrived in Jerusalem, they also waved palm branches, but that was in the spring, The palm branches that are waved on the feast of Tabernacles are waved on the last feast in the fall, when the millennial kingdom is set up and the Lord Tabernacles on the earth. Don't jump to an incorrect conclusion based on the waving of palm branches.

Noah was not in the ark 7 days before the flood, and the Church will not be in heaven 7 years before the millennial kingdom.


There is a final week, but that is not the 70th week of Daniel . The final week will begin when a 7-year covenant with many has been signed. That covenant will later be confirmed by the Antichrist.

As for the 70th week of Daniel, there is only 3.5 years left in the 70th week.........time, times and half a time.
Daniel 12
7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

Right now, there are many, many watchmen that think that the Lord is coming on September 23/24, 2025. They have all moved Christs death to 32AD because they do not understand that Noah is not in the ark 7 days before the flood. They also do not understand that the final week is not the 70th week of Daniel. The 70th week only has 3.5 year remaining as from the time of the decree to rebuild Jerusalem to Messiah the prince is 69 weeks. After that.........3.5 years later, Messiah is cut off. That leaves 3.5 years.

All these watchmen that have moved the death of Christ to 32AD are completely in error. The Passover will not allow 32AD to be considered for Christs death. Christ died in 30AD.

Also, they are looking for the Messiah to come on the Feast of Trumpets. The feast of Trumpets is for the Jews when the Lord comes on the feast of trumpets at the last trump. The Church is raptured in the summer, so all these confirmations about the Feast of Trumpets rapture of the Church are in error.

When the Church is raptured in the summer, the Jews will say, Jeremiah 8:20 The harvest is past, the summer has ended, and we are not saved.

These watchmen have completely forgotten about the 7 year Accelerated SDG covenant that the UN signed in September 2023. It is unconfirmed at this time but should not be forgotten about.

If Christ comes in 2025, it will be before the end of summer which is September 22, 2025. The rapture of the Church will not happen on the Feast of Trumpets as that is not Biblical.

QUOTE
""There is a final week, but that is not the 70th week of Daniel . The final week will begin when a 7-year covenant with many has been signed. That covenant will later be confirmed by the Antichrist.
As for the 70th week of Daniel, there is only 3.5 years left in the 70th week.........time, times and half a time.
Daniel 12""

No
There are not two 70th weeks.

But as you progress with your misplacements, it going to get increasingly bizarre as you are inventing things due to your strict "trib vs wrath" prism that all verses must pass through.

Daniel has ONE PERIOD OF A 70TH WEEK.

It even says, "In the middle of it".

 

[The Light]

No, the 4 horsemen are not the beginning of sorrows. You totally made that up, you seem to forget, the first horseman is the Antichrist and that Kicks off the great tribulation of 7 years.
According to Daniel, in the middle of that tribulation, is when the Antichrist enters the temple, so in the middle of 7 years, the Antichrist. Enter the temple.
The 4 horsemen are not what is present today. I don't know where you got that from

The great tribulation is not 7 years long. The great tribulation does not begin until the abomination of desolation is set up.......in the midst of the week.

Do you not understand that what Jesus tells us in Matthew 24 is the EXACT thing that John tells us in the 1st six seals? Don't you think that what Jesus tells us in Matthew 24 about the end of the age would be found in Revelation?

The first four seals are the beginning of sorrows. The 5th seal is the great tribulation, and the 6th seal is the coming of Jesus for the gathering from heaven and earth. Jesus does not tell us about the 7th seal which is the wrath of God.

This is Jesus telling us about false Christs to come. The rider on the white horse is the first to come. He is the 7th king and one of the horns of the beast of the earth.

Matthew 24
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

This is Jesus' warning about the second false Christ, the 8th king who is the beast of the sea. This is Nimrod who comes from the secret chamber.

Matthew 24
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

The fact there are 7 days of Noah entering the ark is up to the reader to unpack.
It does not correlate to anything.

It correlates to the FACT that Noah is not in the ark 7 days before the flood and the Church will not be in heaven before the final week begins.

Noah anology is:
1) the ark is a type of heaven.

Right and the door to the ark is not shut 7 days before the flood. The first day of the seven, Noah loads the animals. And we don't know what day the ark door is shut.

2) the ARK WITH GODS PEOPLE rises into the heavens .(rapture) ( nothing to do with Noah entering the ark on the ground)

The flood is wrath.

3) the ark is the heavens above the earth.during the ENTIRETY of the 7 yr trib

There is no 7 year tribulation.

4) Noah returns back to earth AFTER THE TRIB and sets up a new kingdom.

Noah returns to the earth AFTER the wrath of God.

No, there is nothing indicating 3.5 years of the trib are finished.

From the decree to rebuild Jerusalem to Messiah the prince is 69 weeks. Is Jesus crucified then? Or does He minister for 3.5 years before He is cut off. Jesus' ministry is to the Jews.

Matthew 15
24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

You came up with that one due to necessity.
( your strict "trib vs wrath" misplacement.)

I come up with that one because I understand that Jesus comes 69 weeks after the decree to rebuild. But He is not cut off until 3 and a half years later. And I understand that the great tribulation does not begin until the midst of the week and there is time, time and half a time remaining from that point.
I also understand that there are two raptures, and the second rapture occurs at the 6th seal BEFORE the 7th seal wrath of God.

 

[The Light]

So you are A postribber, since all that is left is the wrath part of the 70th week.

How do you falsely conclude this? The abomination of desolation is set up in the midst of the week. That is when the great tribulation begins.
The great tribulation is over at the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal. There is still the one year wrath of God and the Day of Atonement.

 

[The Light]

Killing Saints...PEOPLE OF GOD ...born again believers killed during the first part of the 7 yr trib...(ahem, every single one of them on the planet.)
( the part you say already happened.)

There is no 7 year tribulation. There is a final week that begins when a 7 year covenant with many is made. In the midst of the week the abomination of desolation is set up. That is when the great tribulation begins. Don't forget that the tribulation is cut short for the sake of the elect. Do you think that means that the 7 years is cut short?

It is they, the Inumerable number, in heaven, that are the ones that he kills,
and it even says they came out of the tribulation.

The great multitude will contain the raptured Church which is the dead in Christ and the alive that remained. It will also include the 144,000 first fruits of the second harvest, all those killed after the Church is raptured and those that are raptured alive when the great tribulation is cut short.

And to your point that it even says that they came out of tribulation............this proves my point that they are raptured to heaven at the 6th seal. Note that we see them in heaven, immediately after the tribulation, and yet the 7th seal has not been opened which contains the wrath of God.

Tribulation is when the saints are killed by the beast. Wrath is Gods turn to take vengeance on the ungodly.

Tribulation is not wrath no matter how many preachers and Bible teachers claim that it is. Read the Word.

Note that They are NOT told to go up under the altar where the martyrs are being held, but rather they are in the general population of heaven. Signifying to the martyrs under the altar, that their numbers are complete.

I am not following your point here. But I will say all the martyrs that are killed before the rapture of the Church will already be in heaven with new bodies when the dead in Christ rise when the Lord comes for the Church.

Those under the altar are killed when the beast is killing Christians, most of which will be Jews........the seed of the woman, Israel.

 

[The Light]

No
There are not two 70th weeks.

I never said that there are two 70th weeks. I said there is a final week that begins when a 7 year covenant with many is made. We will not know if the 7 year covenant is the covenant of Daniel 9, until it is confirmed by the Antichrist.

Within the final week there are 3.5 years remaining of the 70th week of Daniel. This will not begin until the abomination of Desolation is set up.

Daniel 12
6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

But as you progress with your misplacements, it going to get increasingly bizarre as you are inventing things due to your strict "trib vs wrath" prism that all verses must pass through.

Nothing is invented.

The tribulation is over at the 6th seal. Jesus comes as marked by the signs of the sun, moon and stars. Then the 7th seal is opened and the wrath of God begins.

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Revelation 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

I don't know how to make it any clearer. The Word says that the tribulation of those days, which is the great tribulation, is over when the sun and moon are darkened and the stars fall from heaven.

This occurs at the 6th seal. The 7th seal is then opened, and the wrath of God begins. Tribulation is not wrath. PERIOD.

Daniel has ONE PERIOD OF A 70TH WEEK.

It even says, "In the middle of it".

The Bible I read says
Daniel 9
Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

That's 69 weeks.

Then the Word of God says
Daniel 9
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:

Messiah is cut off at His crucifixion which is 3.5 years later.

That leaves 3.5 years and that 3.5 years will begin when the abomination of desolation is set up in the midst of the week.

3.5 years is time, times and half a time..................exactly what Daniel 12 tells us.

 

[Douggg]

The great tribulation is 3.5 year long...............there is 3.5 years left in the 70th week of Daniel

The great tribulation will be 1335 days long.

 

[The Light]

The great tribulation will be 1335 days long.

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Where is the one-year wrath of God in your timeline? Day of Atonement?

 

[The Light]

The great tribulation will be 1335 days long.

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How does the great tribulation get cut short in the timeline? Was it more than 1335 days and cut short to 1335?