Bible Study: The Gospel is in the Torah

[Episkopos]

He believes this high walk in CHRIST can be done and attained EVEN IF ONE DOES NOT BELEIVE ON , CONFESS JESUS .

You bear false witness of me just as you do of the bible. I think you are a very simple and you can only see things in 2 dimensional simplicity...without any discernment whatsoever.

Are you a straight up liar? Or just that duped?

I said over and over again...the higher walk is for glory, for the saints and the elect. The gospel is about the higher walk in holiness...something you religious hacks have NO idea of. You pretend and make lofty claims...all hubris and vanity.

So the exclusivity you crave is not for you...it is for the elect, the saints, the holy ones who walk by grace through faith and fulfill the commandments of God through a higher law...the law of the Spirit of life IN Christ Jesus.

What you hate is God's mercy towards the meek, the fatherless, the widow...God is merciful and has mercy on whoever He wills. And you HATE that...you hate the words of God like all religious extremist nuts.

God's mercy is INCLUSIVE...Jesus died for the sins of the whole world...that means the poor and oppressed and those who do what is right and fear God, regardless of religious indoctrination

its all a snare and highly deadly .
In fact way back when i used to warn Him about the dire need to FIRST BELEIVE ON JESUS
that was called religious ego etc .
GUESS WHO and WHAT i am gonna continue to point too .
JESUS the CHRIST with the absolute dire reminder of the dire necessity to BELEIVE ON HIM .
Teaching also to observe all things HE did teach .
The true gospel has many enemies in this last hour .
And many are the folks that work in many different ways to alter it . NOT gonna bode well at all on those who dared to do such a thing .

This is all false self-righteous posturing....a real crow.

 

[ProDeo]

Who is born of God but the new man within us? Understanding I believe to have received from the Lord (through what someone said in a post just a few months ago)......is that the new man cannot sin because he is born of He who is without sin. But we still are contending with the old man of the flesh, until he is overcome and surrendered up wholesale and laid on the altar. When we are walking in the Spirit we are walking as the new man above our old man and flesh because that is all put under our feet at such times, whether for a brief time or season, or in a more permanent way. For now we are making sacrifices......until we ourselves become a sacrifice, lock stock and barrel. A living sacrifice. Which is what I believe it means where it says if we lose our life (psuche) for His sake we will find it.

Right from Scripture....

Rom 12:1 I appeal to you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship.
Rom 12:2 Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.
Rom 12:3 For by the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think with sober judgment, each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned.

 

[marks]

I ask God to turn my heart like rivers of water. It's a song I sing alone based on this verse(not that I am a king)

Pr 21:1 The king's heart is in the hand of the Lord, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will.

Amen! For it is God who works within us to both will and to do what pleases Him.

I think His grace creates desire and desire increases the grace. Grace as defined "God's enabling power"

I understand the power within me that enables me is Jesus Himself living in me, grace being the favor bestowed on me that allows Jesus to be in me, to enable me to live as He intends.



Christ, the one enabling me.

Much love!

 

[Lizbeth]

I ask God to turn my heart like rivers of water. It's a song I sing alone based on this verse(not that I am a king)

Pr 21:1 The king's heart is in the hand of the Lord, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will.

I think His grace creates desire and desire increases the grace. Grace as defined "God's enabling power"

Lovely prayer to pray, and song, amen.

Agree that grace is enabling power, but also in another sense, it means to extend undeserved mercy/forgiveness/longsuffering in overlooking and bearing with a fault or offense......from where we get the word gracious/graciousness.

 

[marks]

Who is born of God but the new man within us? Understanding I believe to have received from the Lord (through what someone said in a post just a few months ago)......is that the new man cannot sin because he is born of He who is without sin. But we still are contending with the old man of the flesh, until he is overcome and surrendered up wholesale and laid on the altar. When we are walking in the Spirit we are walking as the new man above our old man and flesh because that is all put under our feet at such times, whether for a brief time or season, or in a more permanent way.

Amen!!

We are a new spiritual creation contending with our body of sin, the corruption of the flesh. I still like the analogy of driving a wrecked car. It's hard to manage, and make it go where I want, but over time I get better at it, some repairs are being made, but it still pulls to the side and can be hard to brake.

For me, walking in the Spirit corresponds to driving a new car, everything works the way it should.

For now we are making sacrifices......until we ourselves become a sacrifice, lock stock and barrel. A living sacrifice. Which is what I believe it means where it says if we lose our life (psuche) for His sake we will find it.

I like your wording here, very clear. God has had to mightily impact my life, heavy hammers on my physical, mental, and spiritual health to break down my self-dependance. Yes, we offer sacrifices until we ourselves are the offering. For me it's only in knowing that if my salvation depends on me I'm already sunk. But in Christ I have total victory.

Philippians 2:12-13 KJV
12) Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
13) For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

We work out what He works in, and we cannot get ahead of the Holy Spirit Who is repairing our psuche.

Much love!

 

[Dan Clarkston]

You are playing the opposite verse game without considering the other verses..

No, my point is.... God is not in absolute control of everything as He has given man fee will.

1 Corinthians 3:9
For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.

The whole reason the world is in such a mess is because mankind refuses to labor together WITH the Lord as in being in agreement with Him, obeying Him

When Jesus returns and takes over all authority in this world, He will rule with a hand of iron unlike now where He is allowing man to manage the world and man keeps remaining in submission to the devil.

You are, as many here, confusing Testaments...

No, you cherry picker types are not qualified to be teaching others and should be ignored.

We are under the New Covenant based on better promises than the old covenant... wake up and ditch the cherry pickin!

Learn to accept the whole counsel of God instead of bits and pieces

And ditch that cherry pickers "bible" you been reading!

 

[Episkopos]

No, my point is.... God is not in absolute control of everything as He has given man fee will.

1 Corinthians 3:9
For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.

The whole reason the world is in such a mess is because mankind refuses to labor together WITH the Lord as in being in agreement with Him, obeying Him

When Jesus returns and takes over all authority in this world, He will rule with a hand of iron unlike now where He is allowing man to manage the world and man keeps remaining in submission to the devil.






No, you cherry picker types are not qualified to be teaching others and should be ignored.

We are under the New Covenant based on better promises than the old covenant... wake up and ditch the cherry pickin!

Learn to accept the whole counsel of God instead of bits and pieces

And ditch that cherry pickers "bible" you been reading! View attachment 70071

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The epitome of irony. I expose the balance of eternal truth...and cherry pickers call me one-sided. Amazing and typical of the blind and deaf.

 

[shepherdsword]

Amen! For it is God who works within us to both will and to do what pleases Him.

I understand the power within me that enables me is Jesus Himself living in me, grace being the favor bestowed on me that allows Jesus to be in me, to enable me to live as He intends.

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Christ, the one enabling me.

Much love!

I always looked at grace as enabling power due to this:

1 Co 15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

The epitome of irony. I expose the balance of eternal truth...and cherry pickers call me one-sided. Amazing and typical of the blind and deaf.

Well buddy, have to considered ceasing to be blind and deaf?

Or, will you continue to think more highly of yourself than you ought as you are now?

My point was simply to say.... God does not do it all as the calvinists claim.

He has His part to play, and we have ours.... I'd explain further, but the blind and the deaf can see of hear

 

[Behold]

I said over and over again...the higher walk is for glory, for the saints and the elect. The gospel is about the higher walk in holiness..

Acutally the "Gospel" that is Paul's Gospel...... is created to show you HOW God will accept you, through The Cross of Christ., and Give you His Righteousness, as "the Gift of Righteousness".

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Acutally the "Gospel" that is Paul's Gospel.....

IN other words, you reject the Words of Jesus?

Here's what your boy Paul said about that!

1 Timothy 6:3-5
If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

 

[Behold]

IN other words, you reject the Words of Jesus?

OH, i'd never do that.. but let me show you how you can reject Jesus's words.
Its by not understanding who He's talking to ......and its by not understanding that Paul's Doctrine, is not what Jesus taught the Jews.

@Dan Clarkston .....Post a quote of mine that you believe is me teaching that i reject the words of Jesus., and i'll show you that its not true.

 

[marks]

I always looked at grace as enabling power due to this:

1 Co 15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

This verse is a great example for your thought on this.

Two other passages come to my mind,

1 Corinthians 9:16-18 KJV
16) For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!
17) For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.
18) What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.

Galatians 2:19-21 KJV
19) For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
20) I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
21) I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

In context of this particular question, what is your thought on vs 21 above, "I do not frustrate the grace of God"?

Much love!

 

[Behold]

If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ,

Yes, we are to consent to the words of Jesus, but we are to do this by understanding how to apply them.

This is why Paul told you that you have to "rightly divide the word of God".......and that includes the words of Jesus.

and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;

The doctrine of godliness..

Thats a "doctrine", that came from PAUL.
Its "Pauls's Doctrine" that teaches that through the Blood of Jesus, and by God's Grace, that is based on "faith in Christ"........the believer, is born again, and "made righteous"........

This is the "doctrine" of : "Justification by Faith".......and that is Paul's Gospel and Doctrine.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

and its by not understanding that Paul's Doctrine, is not what Jesus taught the Jews.

See now according to Jesus... that's a lie.

Luke 16:16
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

The Gospel of the Lord Jesus started being taught with the start of John the Baptists ministry

The devil seeks to deceive people in to thinking they are not to follow the teachings of Jesus which has worked great on you!

The doctrine of godliness..

Thats a "doctrine", that came from PAUL.
Its "Pauls's Doctrine" that teaches that through the Blood of Jesus, and by God's Grace, that is based on "faith in Christ"........the believer, is born again, and "made righteous"........

This is the "doctrine" of : "Justification by Faith".......and that is Paul's Gospel and Doctrine.

According to what the Lord says thru Paul.... that's a lie because those believing this reject the Lord Jesus.

Here's what your boy Paul said about that!

1 Timothy 6:3-5
If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

Your boy Paul is trying to set you straight.... but sadly some are reprobate and are cherry pickers who do not accept the whole counsel of God

 

[Behold]

See now according to Jesus... that's a lie.

Luke 16:16
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached,

@Dan Clarkston

Your verse is created before Jesus died on The Cross.
Im almost positive you are able to realize this, if you think about it.
Give it a try.

So, that means that there is no CHRISTIANITY found yet. in Luke 16., as Jesus died on The Cross in Luke 23.............and the KOG is not what Paul Preaches, as His Gospel.

The Gospel of the Kingdom is what John The Baptist Preached to the JEWs......>"repent, the Kingdom of HEAVEN, is at Hand".
And it was, as Jesus was on the EARTH.
He's not now........and the Gospel Paul teaches is "the Gospel of the GRACE of God"......"Justification by Faith".

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Your verse is created before Jesus died on The Cross.
Im almost positive you are not too stupide to realize this, if you think about it.
Give it a try.

So, that means that there is no CHRISTIANITY found yet. in Luke 16..............and the KOG is not what Paul Preaches, as His Gospel.

The Gospel of the Kingdom is what John The Baptist Preached to the JEWs......>"repent the Kingdom of HEAVEN, is at Hand".

And it was, as Jesus was on the EARTH.
He's not now........and the Gospel Paul teaches is "the Gospel of the GRACE of God"......"Justification by Faith".

Yep it was.... and Jesus was already teaching the New Testament and was not teaching the levitical law as the heretics listening to satan keep claiming.

 

[Episkopos]

Acutally the "Gospel" that is Paul's Gospel...... is created to show you HOW God will accept you, through The Cross of Christ., and Give you His Righteousness, as "the Gift of Righteousness".

That is the gift of the higher walk in the righteousness of God. It is an anointing from the Spirit.,

 

[Lizbeth]

That is the gift of the higher walk in the righteousness of God. It is an anointing from the Spirit.,

It is IN us by faith. Or do you believe that our new man is not righteous, which the scripture says is created after the image of He who created it....?

 

[shepherdsword]

In context of this particular question, what is your thought on vs 21 above, "I do not frustrate the grace of God"?

Much love!

The whole context of Galatians is about Judaizers invading the church and forcing circumcision onto them. This of course was the prelude to enforcing the Mosiac law. Paul was saying he was (NOT)dependent on his own righteousness which would preempt grace.

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