Does Daniel 7:21–22 Support Amillennialism or Premillennialism?

[Spiritual Israelite]

Not one mention of abominations recorded in Luke 21, though. Which might mean what Luke 21:20 is involving is not what Matthew 24:15 is involving.

Do you somehow not understand that Luke's audience was different than Matthew's audience? Why would Luke record Jesus as saying "when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet..." while adding "let the reader understand" to a Gentile audience? They wouldn't have a clue what that means like Matthew's Jewish audience would, so it would make no sense to word it that way to them. So, Luke spelled it out to them instead so that they could understand what Jesus was talking about.

I have zero issue with agreeing Luke 21:20 involved 70 AD. But I do have issue with Matthew 24:15 involving 70 AD.

I have issue with Jesus supposedly talking about people in Judea needing to flee to the mountains and that it would be difficult for nursing mothers and pregnant women to flee and that there would be great distress/tribulation in two completely different contexts within the Olivet Discourse. I think that is complete nonsense.

For one, if the AOD was fulfilled in the first century it would no longer be a mystery as to what it was. IOW, every single person that agrees it was fulfilled in the first century, they would all be on the same page, thus be in 100% agreement with each other as to what it was. But instead, they have turned it into a multiple choice circus.

That's your opinion, but that's all it is. Jesus didn't specify exactly what He was talking about, so it's a bit silly to assume that everyone would ever be in agreement about it.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Sorry, but your point is not Biblical.
The Daniel 7:13-14 Scripture is about Jesus' FUTURE RETURN of Revelation 1:7 and Revelation 19:11-21.

Daniel 7:13-14 also aligns with Daniel 2:34-35 and Daniel 2:44. And Daniel 2:44 about the "days of these kings" when God sets His Kingdom up is linked to the time of the "ten kings" of Revelation 17:12-14 at the very end of this present world, which is still yet future to us. And those verses are only a few like them that link that kingdom being setup by Christ in final at his FUTURE 2ND COMING which is still future to us.

Are you even reading the text? Compare these passages and note the obvious similarities:

Daniel 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Ephesians 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, 20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, 23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

Daniel 7:13 talks about the Son of man being brought TO the Ancient of days, which is God the Father. Where else could Jesus be brought to God the Father except in heaven? This is a clear reference to His ascension. And it says at that time "there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom" with his dominion being "everlasting". That is what happened at His ascension. He ascended to the right hand of the Father and place in a position of authority "Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come". Only doctrinal bias can prevent someone from seeing Daniel 7:13-14 as a description of what happened at Christ's ascension since it clearly matches Paul's description of what happened then.

In the future He will descend from heaven in the same manner He ascended there, but that is not what is described in Daniel 7:13-14, which clearly refers to His ascension.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No Biblical evidence for the above. That idea is from men's doctrines who don't understand about the 2 separate dimensions of God's creation. And even those pastors who do understand, they aren't allowed to preach about it by their denominational organizations.

It's important to understand that the heavenly dimension (2nd heaven) where God's Abode is today is non-material. That is where He moved His Paradise to per the end of Genesis 3 after Adam and Eve's sin. His Paradise was once upon this earth, i.e., the Garden of Eden. God's Heavenly dimension is made up of Spirit, not material matter. The earth, planets, galaxies, etc., are part of His material creation involving material matter.


The 1st heaven WAS... the 1st heavenly-earth age, the time when Lucifer was perfect in his ways before he rebelled in coveting God's Throne.

The 2nd heaven IS... today's abode of where God and the angels dwell since for this 2nd world earth age God removed His abode that used to be here on earth instead to behind a veil in a different dimension called Heaven (Genesis 3:22-24; Genesis 2:8-17; Isaiah 25).

The 3rd heaven WILL BE... God's future new heaven and a new earth of Revelation 21. This is the heaven that Apostle Paul's spirit was "caught up" to in 2 Corinthians 12. That is why Paul called the place "paradise", which is a word used in The Old Testament for God's Garden of Eden in the Greek Septuagint (2 Cor.12:4). Paul was given a vision of the future Paradise while in The Spirit regarding God's future new heaven and new earth, and he said he heard words not lawful to utter.

You are so confused. In no way, shape or form did Paul indicate that what he saw, as described in 2 Corinthians 12 was the future new heaven and new earth. You are reading that into the text. No, he saw the current paradise/third heaven where Jesus, His angels and the souls of the dead in Christ are right now. Jesus told the thief on the cross that he would be with Him that say in paradise. So, paradise/the third heaven is not a future entity, but a current one.

 

[Timtofly]

It appears you’re putting forth the idea that from the beasts perspective he overcomes the saints and at the same time from the saints perspective they overcome the beast. If that is your position, then can you show me other examples where we are not to read the Bible exclusively from a believers perspective but we should include an unbelievers perspective?

For example the parable of the ten virgins in Matthew 25:1-13, should we look at this and interpret it as the wise virgins were wise from an unbelievers perspective? And the foolish virgins were foolish from an unbelievers perspective? Vice versa from a believers perspective?

I can’t find where anyone interprets scripture this way anywhere else, that would make Revelation 13 the only place this method of interpretation is use, unless you can show other examples.

Well they were physically overcome, not spiritually overcome. They were spiritual overcomers, not by human strength, but the spiritual blood of the Lamb. So yes, and no. There is the difference between the physical and spiritual viewpoint.

Now if they physically killed Satan, and then were physically killed by Satan, that is not an interpretation, but red herring argument.

Would an unbeliever use a believers point of view?

 

[Timtofly]

How about Revelation 20:4 is the faithful after the cross who prevailed over the beast, Daniel 7:21-22 is the faithful before the cross the ones who prevailed during the time of the Maccabees.

No, because there was only one group that covered all of time. Every one since Abel were overcomers, even though physically killed, or just physically died.

 

[Timtofly]

I’ll just say the common belief is that the ministry of Jesus was 3.5 years or time, times and half time or 42 months.

Maybe Herod the Great wasn’t the horn, it’s more likely his son Herod Antipas.

I honestly don’t understand how a Christian reads 3.5 years anywhere in the Bible and their mind doesn’t automatically go to Jesus.

Focus on Jesus friend. Almost everything in the Bible is centered on Him. “Lo I come, in the VOLUME OF THE BOOK, it’s written of ME.

The little horn was after the first 10 Ceasars; not just where people want him to be. No one ever got the little horn right, since it took place. Why should we, hundreds of years later, with only the historical record?

 

[Timtofly]

Are you saying that even though Jesus literally fulfilled everything in Daniel’s 70 Weeks, including verse 27 in a single week, He still didn’t fulfill the prophecy?

Is this a “dual fulfillment” prophecy or something?

Both of your views are unorthodox. You have the 490 days in the first century. The other poster has the 490 days in the future. Jesus did not set up a throne on earth:

"anoint the most Holy". "Messiah the Prince"

There was no Holy place to: "cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate."

Jesus provided Salvation in person, but has yet to have a Holy place that stops doing what it was intended to do.

You have the meaning of verse 27 wrong. Jesus would never remove something that was provided by humans under the OT Law to fulfill the prophecy. The chapter cannot be fulfilled until Jesus is sitting as King in Jerusalem, on His own throne, that He provided. You have left out the Prince part.

 

[Davy]

Are you even reading the text? Compare these passages and note the obvious similarities:

Daniel 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

The Bible text I reference is exactly... what I am referring to. You should read it sometime.

Your Ephesians 1 quote is a DIFFERENT SUBJECT. It is about Christ having come and accomplished the part of His Salvation Plan involving His SPIRITUAL Kingdom which is manifested by His Church on earth today. It is His Kingdom by The Spirit. His future PHYSICAL KINGDOM is still yet to come, like He showed, and like those Daniel references I showed...

John 18:36-37
36 Jesus replied, "My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews. But now My kingdom is not from here."
(from The Lexham English Bible, Fourth Edition Copyright © 2010, 2012 Logos Bible Software.)

Jesus was pointing to His FUTURE PHYSICAL Kingdom that will be established literally... upon this earth, AS WRITTEN in the Old Testament prophets and the New Testament Epistles. It is that FUTURE PHYSICAL KINGDOM ON EARTH that only comes with Jesus' future 2nd coming that the following Daniel Scripture is referring to...

Dan 2:34-35
34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.
35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.
KJV

Dan 2:44
44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
KJV

Those you hang out with instead follow a FALSE DOCTRINE created by men about Christ's Kingdom. They wrongly think Jesus brought that FUTURE PHYSICAL KINGDOM THAT WILL BE ON EARTH WITH CHRIST'S DIRECT PRESENCE ON EARTH at the cross when He did not!

Lord Jesus today is still... sitting on the right hand of The Father's Throne with His Kingdom still expecting, once all His enemies are put under His feet, which is what Jesus' future "thousand years" Millennium of Revelation 20 is about.


The following Daniel 7:13-14 Scripture is also about that same FUTURE timing when Jesus' 2nd coming happens and He sets up His future literal physical Kingdom over all nations upon this earth, and Jesus is then physically here, on earth, then reigning over them...

Dan 7:13-14
13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before Him.
14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
KJV

You prove that it is YOU that is NOT reading and heeding that Scripture, because Lord Jesus Christ today is definitely NOT ruling over Islamic nations nor Communist nations, etc. At Jesus' 2nd coming, He WILL... reign over ALL... nations like the above says! So I strongly recommend you re-evaluate the doctrines from men that is not allowing you to see that.

The following is the same idea about Christ's future physical Kingdom coming on the day of His future 2nd coming... and it also reveals it will mean Jesus over ALL kingdoms on this earth, which is not how things are today...

Rev 11:15
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.
KJV

The following is a link to the event mentioned in Daniel 2 about the symbolic "stone" (Jesus) smiting the ten horn beast on its feet, and the whole beast statue 'together' tumbling down, AND THEN... Christ's future Kingdom at His 2nd coming is then setup on earth with Jesus reigning...

Rev 17:12-14
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
KJV

The following is about the TWO comings by Lord Jesus. The Zechariah 9:10 verse is about Jesus' future 2nd coming when He returns to this earth...

Zech 9:9-10
9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.
10 And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the earth.
KJV

I mean, what in the world do you think Lord Jesus' FUTURE 2ND COMING is going to be about? An appearance in the sky, and then His doing a turn around back into Heaven?!*@#!?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The Bible text I reference is exactly... what I am referring to. You should read it sometime.

Your Ephesians 1 quote is a DIFFERENT SUBJECT. It is about Christ having come and accomplished the part of His Salvation Plan involving His SPIRITUAL Kingdom which is manifested by His Church on earth today. It is His Kingdom by The Spirit.

Yes, that is what He began reigning over when He ascended TO God the Father in heaven. Daniel 7:13-14 talks about the Son of man coming TO the Ancient of days, which is God the Father, and being given dominion. So, Ephesians 1:19-22 is very clearly talking about the same thing as Daniel 7:13-14. But, your hyper-futurist dispensationalist-like perspective of things prevents you from seeing the truth of things like this.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I mean, what in the world do you think Lord Jesus' FUTURE 2ND COMING is going to be about? An appearance in the sky, and then His doing a turn around back into Heaven?!*@#!?

Your ignorance knows no bounds. How can you not know what I believe by now? I believe Jesus will meet us (His church) in the air and then proceed to take vengeance on all of His enemies left on the earth by burning them with fire. Then the judgment occurs, as He indicated will occur when He comes with His angels (Matthew 25:31-46) and then we (His people) will inherit the kingdom He prepared for us from the foundation of the world for eternity in the new heavens and new earth. Is there anything hard to understand about this? There shouldn't be.

 

[Earburner]

I mean, what in the world do you think Lord Jesus' FUTURE 2ND COMING is going to be about? An appearance in the sky, and then His doing a turn around back into Heaven?!*@#!?

Well, that is very close to how you (we all) should understand it.
It finalizes on this point: ".....and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

Here it is in context:
1 Thes. 4
[13] But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
[14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
[15] For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
[18] Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

 

[Truth7t7]

Ezek 47:5-12
5 Afterward he measured a thousand; and it was a river that I could not pass over: for the waters were risen, waters to swim in, a river that could not be passed over.

6 And he said unto me, "Son of man, hast thou seen this?" Then he brought me, and caused me to return to the brink of the river.

7 Now when I had returned, behold, at the bank of the river were very many trees on the one side and on the other.

8 Then said he unto me, "These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed.

9 And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh.

10 And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall stand upon it from En-gedi even unto En-eglaim; they shall be a place to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many.

11 But the miry places thereof and the marishes thereof shall not be healed; they shall be given to salt.

12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.
KJV

Ezekiel 47 gives MORE DETAIL about the return of God's River, but is for the future Millennium time of Christ's reign which WILL HAVE A SANCTUARY (temple) there where those WATERS will issue from for God's River!

Also, the Revelation 21:1 version is a little different because it will be for the time AFTER Christ's "thousand years" millennium reign when there will be NO MORE SEA, nor a sanctuary.

So like I said, for Christs' Millennial reign of Revelation 20, it will involve some earth changes, but not the complete changes like the later New Heavens and a New Earth time will be. And we KNOW this for certain, because of the Ezekiel 47 manifesting of that "sanctuary" and those seas at the same time as God's River of the Waters of Life and the Tree of Life are manifested in the holy land.

Ezekiel chapters 47-48 represents the eternal kingdom where the river and tree of life is present, Ezekiel 47:12 & Revelation 22:1-2 are the very same place in the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem

You can claim your 1,000 Millennial Kingdom on this earth a million more times, it doesn't exist in scripture

 

[Truth7t7]

Daniel 7:13-14 is a clear reference to the ascension of Jesus to the right hand of the Father. It matches up with what Paul described in relation to Christ's resurrection and ascension in Ephesians 1:19-23. You do believe that Jesus has been reigning since His resurrection and ascension, don't you?

Do you understand that the visions Daniel saw in Daniel 7:2-14 were explained by the angel in verses 17-27? If not, then you're not qualified to comment on this. If you are aware of that, then tell me where the angel explained what Daniel 7:13-14 is about.

I Disagree with your claim

Daniel 7:13-14 represents the second coming of Jesus and him being before the Father in handing the kingdom over

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[grafted branch]

Well they were physically overcome, not spiritually overcome. They were spiritual overcomers, not by human strength, but the spiritual blood of the Lamb. So yes, and no. There is the difference between the physical and spiritual viewpoint.

Now if they physically killed Satan, and then were physically killed by Satan, that is not an interpretation, but red herring argument.

Would an unbeliever use a believers point of view?

Matthew 16:18 (NIV) And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.

What about this verse, is it half true and half false? Should we say from an unbelievers point of view the gates of hell will overcome the Church but from a believers point of view it won’t? Is that really how we should start looking at all the Bible?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I Disagree with your claim

Daniel 7:13-14 represents the second coming of Jesus and him being before the Father in handing the kingdom over

Jesus Is The Lord

I couldn't care less if you disagree with my claim.

The text does not describe Jesus as handing the kingdom over to the Father, it describes Him as being given dominion over the kingdom, which is exactly what happened upon His resurrection and ascension, as Paul described in Ephesians 1:19-23.

Daniel 7: 13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

The text in Daniel 7:13-14 describes "dominion, and glory, and a kingdom" being given to the Son of man, Jesus, after He was brought to the Father, just as described here in relation to His resurrection and ascension:

Ephesians 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, 20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, 23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

 

[Davy]

Yes, that is what He began reigning over when He ascended TO God the Father in heaven. Daniel 7:13-14 talks about the Son of man coming TO the Ancient of days, which is God the Father, and being given dominion. So, Ephesians 1:19-22 is very clearly talking about the same thing as Daniel 7:13-14. But, your hyper-futurist dispensationalist-like perspective of things prevents you from seeing the truth of things like this.

You still miss the time for the Dan.7:13-14 event of His Kingdom; that is for His STILL FUTURE 2ND COMING.

All one need do there in Daniel 7 is go back up a few verses before and pickup the timeline, which is about the END of this world and the Judgment...

Dan 7:8-14
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

The parallel Scripture to the above is given in Revelation 17:12-14 about those ten horns (ten kings) at the END of this world who will war with Christ at His future 2nd coming. That "little horn" represents the "beast" king of Revelation 17:13 which the ten kings will receive power for one hour with the "beast", a metaphor for the short time of the "great tribulation" at the end of this world.


9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, Whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of His head like the pure wool: His throne was like the fiery flame, and His wheels as burning fire.

10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before Him: thousand thousands ministered unto Him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

That judgment time is for the very end of Revelation 20, when the souls of the spiritually dead are judged, with the their names compared by the Book of Life. (Rev.20).

11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

That is about the final Judgment of the "beast" kingdom, into the "lake of fire" on the day of Christ's future 2nd coming (Rev.19:20). If one does not know that "beast" as a symbol is used for both the beast kingdom of Rev.13:1, and... the beast king of Rev.17, then they are hurting spiritual understanding-wise.

12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

The above is one of the places in The Old Testament prophets that points directly to Christ's future "thousand years" reign over the unsaved and wicked per Rev.20. The idea of those beasts (kings) having their lives prolonged for a season and time is about their being locked in Satan's pit prison along with Satan, for the "thousand years" of Rev.20. Then after that "thousand years" reign by Christ those are loosed with Satan to go tempt the unsaved nations.

13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before Him.
14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
KJV

The difference with Christ's Kingdom mentioned above, is that one will be over ALL PEOPLE AND NATIONS ON EARTH, and not just with Christian nations. Today, there are still RADICAL nations that reject Jesus Christ, ESPECIALLY THE NATION OF ISRAEL IN THE MIDDLE EAST.

So really, KEEPING THE FLOW OF GOD'S WORD makes understanding a matter easy.

 

[Davy]

Well, that is very close to how you (we all) should understand it.
It finalizes on this point: ".....and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

Here it is in context:
1 Thes. 4
[13] But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
[14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
[15] For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
[18] Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

What does the Zechariah 14:1-5 Scripture say? Don't you have a complete Bible?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You still miss the time for the Dan.7:13-14 event of His Kingdom; that is for His STILL FUTURE 2ND COMING.

I'm not missing anything. The text clearly has the Son of man (Jesus, obviously) coming TO the Ancient of days (God the Father) and being given dominion over His kingdom at that time, which matches up perfectly with Paul's description of what happened at Christ's ascension in Ephesians 1:19-23. At His ascension He was placed at the right hand of the Father "Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come". Only doctrinal bias can cause someone to miss the obvious similarities between Daniel 7:13-14 and Ephesians 1:19-23.

All one need do there in Daniel 7 is go back up a few verses before and pickup the timeline, which is about the END of this world and the Judgment...

It's naive to think that all of Daniel 7 is in chronological order. That's not how books like Daniel and Revelation work. Daniel 7:13-14 is a completely separate vision from the previous ones. It's not uncommon for books of prophecy to jump around in time without all being in chronological order.

 

[Davy]

Ezekiel chapters 47-48 represents the eternal kingdom where the river and tree of life is present, Ezekiel 47:12 & Revelation 22:1-2 are the very same place in the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem

You can claim your 1,000 Millennial Kingdom on this earth a million more times, it doesn't exist in scripture

WRONG. The Ezekiel 47 WHOLE CHAPTER is about the future "thousand years" reign by Jesus Christ and His elect over the nations, WITH A STANDING TEMPLE along with God's River of the Waters of life, and the Tree of Life.

Those waters of God's River on earth are even shown flowing OUT FROM THAT SANCTUARY per Ezekiel 47! So why would you LIE about that?

Revelation 21:22 is NHNE timing, because it says, "And I saw no temple therein:...". That means NO SANCTUARY for the future new heavens and a new earth timing.

Yet in Ezekiel 47, there's that SANCTUARY with God's River flowing out of it! Why? Because Ezekiel 47 is MILLENNIAL TIME OF CHRIST'S FUTURE 1,000 YEARS REIGN, a period that is to happen first. PRIOR to the new heavens and a new earth time.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

WRONG. The Ezekiel 47 WHOLE CHAPTER is about the future "thousand years" reign by Jesus Christ and His elect over the nations, WITH A STANDING TEMPLE along with God's River of the Waters of life, and the Tree of Life.

Those waters of God's River on earth are even shown flowing OUT FROM THAT SANCTUARY per Ezekiel 47! So why would you LIE about that?

Revelation 21:22 is NHNE timing, because it says, "And I saw no temple therein:...". That means NO SANCTUARY for the future new heavens and a new earth timing.

Yet in Ezekiel 47, there's that SANCTUARY with God's River flowing out of it! Why? Because Ezekiel 47 is MILLENNIAL TIME OF CHRIST'S FUTURE 1,000 YEARS REIGN, a period that is to happen first. PRIOR to the new heavens and a new earth time.

So, do you believe that animal sacrifices and offerings to make reconciliation or atonement of sins will be performed during the supposed future thousand years which would contradict the entire New Testament?

Ezekiel 45:15 And one lamb out of the flock, out of two hundred, out of the fat pastures of Israel; for a meat offering, and for a burnt offering, and for peace offerings, to make reconciliation for them, saith the Lord God. 16 All the people of the land shall give this oblation for the prince in Israel. 17 And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.