The Mark of the Beast is Money

[Spiritual Israelite]

There's that whacked mindset again. Childish, just childish and immature.

 

[Wish-it]

It's more than that. The mark is in the forehead too, meaning spiritually it involves the mind and deceptions also.

The mark to me is the shahada. The requirement to repeat a phrase I, and most Christians hopefully would never have to say. Possibly indicating 'on the forehead' as a form of worship. Even the 5 pillars of Islam appear to include a strong element of requiring a large percentage of zakat (giving) which could be indicated by 'on the hand.'
With the world wide rise of islam, these could become as possibility.

 

[Davy]

The mark to me is the shahada. The requirement to repeat a phrase I, and most Christians hopefully would never have to say. Possibly indicating 'on the forehead' as a form of worship. Even the 5 pillars of Islam appear to include a strong element of requiring a large percentage of zakat (giving) which could be indicated by 'on the hand.'
With the world wide rise of islam, these could become as possibility.

Have you not read what Apostle Paul said in the 2 Thessalonians 2 Chapter about the coming of that "man of sin" who is to appear in JERUSALEM and sitting in a rebuilt temple there, and exalting himself as God over all that is even called... God, or that is worshiped? Islam will NOT be the source of that coming false-Messiah at Jerusalem for the end. Instead, that "man of sin", the pseudo-Christ which Jesus warned about in Matthew 24:23-26, is going to claim to be The Christ, and with the power of great signs and wonders and miracles to try and prove it. The 'deceived' from ALL RELIGIONS are going to bow to that one in place of GOD, including the unbelieving Jews, and even deceived Christian brethren that have been misled.

 

[ewq1938]

The mark to me is the shahada. The requirement to repeat a phrase I, and most Christians hopefully would never have to say. Possibly indicating 'on the forehead' as a form of worship. Even the 5 pillars of Islam appear to include a strong element of requiring a large percentage of zakat (giving) which could be indicated by 'on the hand.'
With the world wide rise of islam, these could become as possibility.

The real MOB only exists for 42 months, when the AC rules the world.

 

[TribulationSigns]

The real MOB only exists for 42 months, when the AC rules the world.

Oh brother. You guys with all the speculations about what the mark looks like… sigh…

 

[ewq1938]

Oh brother. You guys with all the speculations about what the mark looks like… sigh…

I didn't say what it looks like. You are the one speculating. It is a fact the mark only is given during the 42 months.

 

[TribulationSigns]

I didn't say what it looks like. You are the one speculating. It is a fact the mark only is given during the 42 months.

You don’t even know what the mark actually is—yet you’ve convinced yourself it’ll magically show up within 42 literal months? Really?

Newsflash: the mark isn’t some physical gadget you slap on a “right hand” or “forehead.” That kind of thinking is just parroting whatever hype you heard on YouTube or in the headlines—AI, chips, or whatever flavor-of-the-month theory some religious nuts are telling you.

So yes, YOU are the one speculating, not me. And dragging in that Islam “Shahada” nonsense? That’s not deep insight—it’s desperation.

 

[ewq1938]

You don’t even know what the mark actually is

or YOU don't even know what the mark actually is.

yet you’ve convinced yourself it’ll magically show up within 42 literal months? Really?

I accept what the bible says and reject the imaginations people invent and claim is from the bible. Yes, really.

So yes, YOU are the one speculating, not me. And dragging in that Islam “Shahada” nonsense? That’s not deep insight—it’s desperation.

You are confused on that since someone else spoke of that, and on the entire subject actually.

 

[TribulationSigns]

or YOU don't even know what the mark actually is.

Yes, I know what it is according to Scripture. It's not what your carnal mind thinks it is.

I accept what the bible says and reject the imaginations people invent and claim is from the bible. Yes, really.

You premillennialists have racked up decades of failed predictions about the mark of the beast. Every time, it’s the same tired cycle — latch onto the “flavor of the month” headline, slap a prophecy sticker on it, and call it a revelation that you think may appeal to your version of antichrist. Nothing new under the sun. Just recycled fearmongering that exposes carnal minds, not spiritual discernment.

You are confused on that since someone else spoke of that, and on the entire subject actually.

You belong to the same league. As I warned, you — like the others — will surface and vomit the same string of speculations about the mark. That isn’t spiritual insight; it’s recycled, carnal thinking dressed up as revelation depending on the latest news. I am not only writing to you, but to the audience.

 

[Wish-it]

Have you not read what Apostle Paul said in the 2 Thessalonians 2 Chapter about the coming of that "man of sin" who is to appear in JERUSALEM and sitting in a rebuilt temple there, and exalting himself as God over all that is even called... God, or that is worshiped? Islam will NOT be the source of that coming false-Messiah at Jerusalem for the end. Instead, that "man of sin", the pseudo-Christ which Jesus warned about in Matthew 24:23-26, is going to claim to be The Christ, and with the power of great signs and wonders and miracles to try and prove it. The 'deceived' from ALL RELIGIONS are going to bow to that one in place of GOD, including the unbelieving Jews, and even deceived Christian brethren that have been misled.

From scripture explain why he can't be the Antichrist will be a psuedo Messiah hence his behaviour in 2 Thess 2. Do you see what advances islam is naking world wide. The beast of Rev 13 is made up of Islamic countries. Who wasnts to rid the world of Israel, pagan or papal Rome? Unlikely. He is described as terrifying frightening and very powerful in Dan 7.7.
He originates from nations that are predominantly islamic.
Who is going to attack israel in Ezek 38,39, who is listed in Psalm 83. It seems improbable to be any other at this stage.

 

[Wish-it]

The real MOB only exists for 42 months, when the AC rules the world.

Relevance?

 

[Muna]

Relevance?

I think the OP is stating money itself is the mark of the beast, and @ewq1938 is disagreeing with that (since money has existed for thousands of years) whereas the power given the beast is said to be forty-two months ( In Rev 13:5) being given power for that space of time, within which time we see in Rev 13:16 he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads.

So it does not appear to be money

 

[Wish-it]

I think the OP is stating money itself is the mark of the beast, and @ewq1938 is disagreeing with that (since money has existed for thousands of years) whereas the power given the beast is said to be forty-two months ( In Rev 13:5) being given power for that space of time, within which time we see in Rev 13:16 he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads.

So it does not appear to be money

My view. Beast is the Islamic leader, the forehead and right hand, represent worship thru the shahada, and right hand representing the zakat, forced giving to the regime. This will be more prominent in middle east, but will develop even in western nations as islam gains control.
You tube has videos on it happening to christian Syrians.

 

[ewq1938]

Relevance?

The MOB cannot exist nor have existed because we are not in those 42 months.

 

[Muna]

My view. Beast is the Islamic leader, the forehead and right hand, represent worship thru the shahada, and right hand representing the zakat, forced giving to the regime. This will be more prominent in middle east, but will develop even in western nations as islam gains control.
You tube has videos on it happening to christian Syrians.

I have heard of this view, I am familar with it.

 

[Wish-it]

I have heard of this view, I am familar with it.

The main point to me is it relates back to Abraham , Isaac and Jacob thru their blessings. Gen 16.11,12, Gen 25.23, Gen 27.39,40.
It all has to relate to the book of beginnings Isaiah 46.10

 

[Muna]

The main point to me is it relates back to Abraham , Isaac and Jacob thru their blessings. Gen 16.11,12, Gen 25.23, Gen 27.39,40.
It all has to relate to the book of beginnings Isaiah 46.10

I am probably missing it on how it might relate though.

 

[Davy]

From scripture explain why he can't be the Antichrist will be a psuedo Messiah hence his behaviour in 2 Thess 2.

Looks like you've already made up your mind, even though God's Word shows more detail than you're getting. But here goes...

In 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12, Paul showed the coming of that "man of sin" of verse 4 is being sent by GOD Himself as a "strong delusion" upon those who received not the love of the Truth, but have pleasure in unrighteousness. That coming "man of sin" is the same pseudo-Christ which Jesus warned us about in His Olivet discourse of SIGNS about the end of this world. Jesus showed that pseudo-Christ will work great signs and wonders that If it were possible, would deceive even His "very elect" (Matt.24:23-26).

The KJV of the Matthew 24:24 verse renders the Greek word pseudochristos as plural "false Christs". However, the tense of the 23rd and 26th verses that go with that are in the singular tense, about a singular pseudo-Christ. Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, a long trusted Bible study tool by many pastors, rendered pseudochristos as 'a spurious Messiah', singular tense. Greek christos means Christ, singular. It's Greek christoi that is plural and means Christs plural. Thus Lord Jesus was actually warning about the singular Antichrist that John said brethren had already heard shall come. But the KJV translators instead rendered Greek pseudochristos as plural, like the "many antichrists". And the fact that the 23rd and 26th verses that go with that are in the singular tense about a singular false-Messiah also confirms Jesus was pointing to a singular pseudo-Christ in those Matthew 24:23-26 verses. And that is a direct link to that "man of sin" which Paul warned of in 2 Thess.2:3-4.

Thus the Antichrist, the pseudo-Christ, man of sin, that Wicked, the dragon, the beast king that ascends out of the bottomless pit and goes into perdition, are all the SAME ONE. They are only different titles.

Do you see what advances islam is naking world wide. The beast of Rev 13 is made up of Islamic countries.

Yes, I see the connection of radical Islam supported by nations like Russia against the free nations, not just the nation of Israel. They hate the western Christian nations too. Ezekiel 38 gives us the list of the nations whose armies will come up against BOTH the nation of Israel in the middle east, AND the spiritual Israel of the western Christian nations. That will happen on the last day of this world, and is when Lord Jesus will step in to stop them. Those armies of the Antichrist won't have a chance, and will mostly be all destroyed by God's consuming fire and the hailstones weighing a talent (70-120 lbs.) on that day of Christ's future coming.

Who wasnts to rid the world of Israel, pagan or papal Rome? Unlikely. He is described as terrifying frightening and very powerful in Dan 7.7.

Daniel 7:7 is actually describing the beast kingdom of Rev.13:1, not the Antichrist. As you study your Bible more, you will begin to realize how God uses strong expressions to get His point across, thus often those symbols are meant as figures of speech. For example, the locusts of Revelation 9 are not about real locust monsters with teeth like lions, and hair like women, etc., for those expressions are used to represent fear-someness about HOW those locusts work. God doesn't do monsters. God first described those locusts in the Book of Joel, and even called them His army He sends upon His rebellious people at one point. They are not a literal military army, God simply uses the 'idea' of an army to describe HOW they work in taking over the world and stealing the wealth of His people, and people's souls through deception.

The Catholic Church is not against Israel. You need to understand that Orthodox Jews still today are angry at the Roman Church because back in early European history the Christian Church cast out the Jews which would not convert to Jesus Christ. The Jews fled from European country to European country to try and escape having to convert. Then those Jews slowly began trekking back to the holy land. Look at that from a birds-eye view, it's almost like that was part of God's Plan for the unbelieving Jews to go back to Jerusalem. Under pagan Rome, in that time, the pagan Romans allowed the Orthodox Jews to remain in Rome, which was in the days of Apostle Paul.

He originates from nations that are predominantly islamic.

Not really. That's an interpretation some devise from the Daniel 8 Scripture about the little horn that arises from the four notable horns. That's a different prophecy than the "little horn" of Daniel 7 which the Dan.7 "little horn" rises up among the ten horns.

Many think the little horn of Dan.8 represented Antiochus Epiphanes, king of the Seleucid empire a Greek descendant of Alexander the Great. Antiochus tried to Hellenize the Jews.

In Daniel 11, Antiochus Epiphanes is historically represented by the "vile person" of that chapter, but those events are actually about the final Antichrist for the end of this world. What Antiochus did in 165-170 B.C. was he took Jerusalem with an army, went inside the temple there and sacrificed swine upon the altar and spread its broth around inside the temple, spiritually desolating it. Then he setup an altar with an idol in pagan Zeus worship, and demanded that all there in Jerusalem bow and worship that idol.

Antiochus represents a model, or blueprint, for the final Antichrist at the end of this world. The "abomination of desolation" idol being setup in Jerusalem again with Jewish sacrifices being ended per Daniel 11 is what Lord Jesus was warning about in His Olivet discourse of endtime SIGNS per Matthew 24:15 and Mark 13.

Who is going to attack israel in Ezek 38,39, who is listed in Psalm 83. It seems improbable to be any other at this stage.

Ezekiel 38 has:

"chief prince" = Hebrew word for "chief" is Rosh, which became Rus, or Russia.

"Persia" = modern day Iran, Iraq

"Ethiopia" = Ethiopia in Ezekiel's day covered all the lands below Egypt. Now there are different Muslim countries in a lot of those old lands supported by Russia, like Sudan, Somalia, etc.

"Libya" = a known area for radical Islamic terrorist training camps, which ex-President Reagan had bombed with U.S. F-111 bombers. Libya has been supported by Russia.

"Gomer" = representing old Soviet satellite nations near the borders of Turkey, Iran, like the nation of Georgia, Armenia, Bulgaria, old satellites supported by Soviet Russia and still pretty much under control by today's Russia.

"Togarmah" = ancient Cappadocia, the area of today's nation of Turkey, which is one our NATO allies. Russia has been trying to turn the Turkish government to side with Russia against the West. Turkey is a Muslim majority nation.

Russia represents many peoples that migrated there of Idumean birth (i.e., Esau, also known as Edom which means 'RED'). Esau represents atheism because he profaned God's Birthright selling it to his brother Jacob when it was Esau's right, with Esau being the firstborn.

Esau, against his parents wishes, took wives of both the Canaanites and of the Ishmaelites (Arabs). Thus the support connection of atheistic Russia with radical Islam.