Rapture ... soon?

[Dave Watchman]

Some can live to 120, but the average is around 78-80.

In one of the videos, Joshua said Jesus told him that: "from the time Israel became a nation in 1948, until He comes for His church, there will be 77 years.

And Joshua never quotes Jesus as calling it the "rapture", he says Jesus calls it the exodus. He says Jesus said: "the exodus will take place on Feast of Trumpets 2025.

Peaceful Sabbath.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

In one of the videos, Joshua said Jesus told him that: "from the time Israel became a nation in 1948, until He comes for His church, there will be 77 years.

And Joshua never quotes Jesus as calling it the "rapture", he says Jesus calls it the exodus. He says Jesus said: "the exodus will take place on Feast of Trumpets 2025.

Peaceful Sabbath.

Taken, snatched, changed in a twinkling of an eye, exodus to the Promised Land is a good one ... we know what he means, the resurrection.

 

[Dave Watchman]

Taken, snatched, changed in a twinkling of an eye, exodus to the Promised Land is a good one ... we know what he means, the resurrection.

Exactly. Some people get upset as soon as they see the word "rapture". We know what the event is we are talking about.

Joshua is describing these "visions". I'm not even sure he understands what they all are. One of them he says the people left behind in the tribulation are chased down and eaten by demons. He says he saw a teenager caught by a demon, and the demon says this is my lunch. He might be describing what he saw as a representation of the great feast of God Almighty. What happens in Revelation 18 and 19.

In Revelation 18 there is a vision of the fall of Babylon. It talks about a hideout for every foul vulture and every foul and dreadful animal. Dreadful animals. "Foul" vultures, where the word for "foul" is used for unclean spirits, bad angels (in twenty-three passages of the Gospels, Acts, and Revelation) Demons.

""And he called out with a mighty voice, “Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great! She has become a dwelling place for demons, a haunt for every unclean spirit, a haunt for every unclean bird, a haunt for every unclean and detestable beast.​

Then in Revelation 19 it talks about the great feast of God Almighty where birds are eating the people remaining on earth:

""Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and with a loud voice he called to all the birds that fly directly overhead, “Come, gather for the great supper of God, to eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all men, both free and slave, both small and great.”​

I always thought this would be just regular carrion birds, but when you look at the preceding chapter, the "foul" birds, and detestable beasts take on a demonic presence. Where it has become a home for demons. She has become a hideout for every foul spirit. Could this be the scenario where the demons take over the birds, and the beasts, and become every unclean and detestable beast, eating the flesh of those who are remaining on the earth?

Even Daniel didn't understand everything that he was seeing in the visions God showed him, not even John did. Remember when one of the elders asked John who are these coming out of tribulation?

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"Then one of the elders addressed me, saying, “Who are these, clothed in white robes, and from where have they come?” I said to him, “Sir, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.​

John's like I don't know, "Sir, you know". Like why don't you tell me? You would know better than me.

Peaceful Sabbath.

 

[HealthyShape]

Why are you even clicking on such videos? What is the thought process in your head that you are thinking such videos have any value for us to be even reposting them online to other Christians?

And, after it will not happen (of course), will you repent, apologize for the mess you helped to spread and will you never do it again? Or, will you just hand wave it away saying "aah, I got played again, but never mind, I will search for another ones to continue repeating the same scenario"?

I wonder, when is enough enough for some of you to stop falling for this. Decades of failed prophecies and of unfulfilled expectations.

There are even no conditions in the world that you are supposed to believe to happen before the end times - no world government forming (actually, the opposite - the West vs BRICS), no Jewish temple for the supposed antichrist to sit in, no world wide earthquakes or famines, no world wide persecution of Christians etc. You are just falling for social media videos, without even testing it against your own eschatological system.

 

[TribulationSigns]

I didn't think our Holy God would be concerned about the world cup. I didn't think Jesus would care about a soccer game. This was one of the things I thought was strange in the beginning. Just as strange as Jesus saying there will be no super bowl in 2026.

Joshua from Africa said he doesn't follow soccer, he had to check if there even was a world cup in 2026.

Joshua was talking about this in July, I was delving into it then, and in August.

Around the last week in August I was talking with some investment people on a forum. The night before there was an alert that Trump would make an important announcement from The Oval Office. We were debating what it would be, maybe more tariffs, maybe secondary sanctions on countries buying oil from Russia. And Trump was a hour late.

It turned out to be an announcement that the World Cup will be held in the USA. And encompass Canada and Mexico. It will be the greatest event in the history of sports.

In the video Trump said he would put the World Cup Trophy next to the angel in his office.

Peaceful Sabbath.

Crazy talking. Honestly!

 

[HealthyShape]

Some can live to 120, but the average is around 78-80.

Cool, but 80 years span since 1948 ends in 2028. After that, you will have to come up with another number. Do you already know which one and how you will reason about that new number?

Or, you will need to switch to 1968 instead of 1948, as some of your fellows did, already.

 

[Dave Watchman]

Crazy talking. Honestly!

It get even crazier.

One of the man's visions is about the mark of the beast. He said in one of his visions he saw that when people take the mark of the beast, their DNA changes and they become non-human. Think about the visions John was seeing on his trips to heaven in Revelation. Where he didn't always understand what he was seeing.

Remember when one of the elders asked John who are these coming out of tribulation?

"Then one of the elders addressed me, saying, “Who are these, clothed in white robes, and from where have they come?” I said to him, “Sir, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.​

John's like I don't know, "Sir, you know". Like why don't you tell me? You would know better than me.

So with that in mind, figure out Biblically, what Joshua might have been seeing, and speaking of, when he saw a vision that when people take the mark of the beast, their DNA will change.

Peaceful Sabbath.

 

[rebuilder 454]

The bible has a generation as 100 years:

Ge 15:13-16
hen He said to Abram: "Know certainly that your descendants will be strangers in a land that is not theirs, and will serve them, and they will afflict them four hundred years. 14 And also the nation whom they serve I will judge; afterward they shall come out with great possessions. 15 Now as for you, you shall go to your fathers in peace; you shall be buried at a good old age. 16 But in the fourth generation they shall return here, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete."

But it sounds like you swallowed that pre-trib deception. I am historic premillennial so I don't

..then you missed the boat.
Trying to fit the trib into history is a huge grand canyon leap.

 

[shepherdsword]

..then you missed the boat.
Trying to fit the trib into history is a huge grand canyon leap.

Who are you talking to and what are you talking about? I never sanctioned this mess.

 

[Dave Watchman]

Crazy talking. Honestly!

And it gets even more crazy, and spooky.

I'm on an agnostic news forum. Back in 2014 there was a report from a military site called Deagel.

Guide to Military Equipment and Civil Aviation

world military power, air forces, navies, armies, marines, civil aviation, news, equipment information, photographs

www.deagel.com

Deagel is a site that lists each countries military weapon inventories. Deagel is also described as an offshoot of US military intelligence. In 2014 they made a controversial report of a severe population reduction country by country by 2025. The USA was the hardest hit going down by 2/3's or -227 million. Actually, all the nations with higher populations of Christians were the hardest hit, with China, Japan and the Asian nations hardly impacted.

Deagel removed that 2014 report, but some still have copies of it.

Spoiler: Deagel Forcast

Deagel's 2025 forecast, as cited in various online forums and social media posts, predicts a dramatic reduction in population for several Western nations, including the United States, Canada, the United Kingdom, Germany, Australia, and Ireland. The forecast suggests the U.S. population could plummet from approximately 310 million in 2017 to 99 million by the end of 2025, representing a reduction of about 70%.

Similarly, Canada's population was projected to decline to around 10 million people
, while Ireland's population was forecast to drop by 72.4% to 1,318,740 by 2025, a figure that starkly contradicts its actual 2022 census population of over 5 million.

The underlying reasoning cited in these predictions often attributes the population decline to factors such as a major financial crisis triggering mass migration out of the country, rather than a direct forecast of mass deaths.
Some sources suggest the decline is linked to the collapse of financial systems, including the stock exchange and pension funds, which would severely impact the standard of living and accelerate migration.
The Deagel Corporation is described as an offshoot of U.S. military intelligence that provides confidential briefing documents to agencies like the National Security Agency, the United Nations, and the World Bank.

However, the legitimacy and accuracy of Deagel's forecast are highly contested. The organization itself is difficult to verify, and there is no publicly available evidence of a formal 2025 report from Deagel making these specific predictions.

As of September 20, 2025, no verifiable evidence supports the occurrence of the predicted population reductions.

AI-generated answer. Please verify critical facts.

And it's still talked about from time to time. A new post today on the news forum, which has also encountered Joshua's prediction, asked if that Deagel forecast could be because of the rapture/resurrection happening this year. With a large propensity of "Christians" living in the USA, they are seriously considering it.

Peaceful Sabbath.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Exactly. Some people get upset as soon as they see the word "rapture". We know what the event is we are talking about.

Joshua is describing these "visions". I'm not even sure he understands what they all are. One of them he says the people left behind in the tribulation are chased down and eaten by demons. He says he saw a teenager caught by a demon, and the demon says this is my lunch. He might be describing what he saw as a representation of the great feast of God Almighty. What happens in Revelation 18 and 19.

In Revelation 18 there is a vision of the fall of Babylon. It talks about a hideout for every foul vulture and every foul and dreadful animal. Dreadful animals. "Foul" vultures, where the word for "foul" is used for unclean spirits, bad angels (in twenty-three passages of the Gospels, Acts, and Revelation) Demons.

""And he called out with a mighty voice, “Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great! She has become a dwelling place for demons, a haunt for every unclean spirit, a haunt for every unclean bird, a haunt for every unclean and detestable beast.​

Then in Revelation 19 it talks about the great feast of God Almighty where birds are eating the people remaining on earth:

""Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and with a loud voice he called to all the birds that fly directly overhead, “Come, gather for the great supper of God, to eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all men, both free and slave, both small and great.”​

I always thought this would be just regular carrion birds, but when you look at the preceding chapter, the "foul" birds, and detestable beasts take on a demonic presence. Where it has become a home for demons. She has become a hideout for every foul spirit. Could this be the scenario where the demons take over the birds, and the beasts, and become every unclean and detestable beast, eating the flesh of those who are remaining on the earth?

Even Daniel didn't understand everything that he was seeing in the visions God showed him, not even John did. Remember when one of the elders asked John who are these coming out of tribulation?

​

"Then one of the elders addressed me, saying, “Who are these, clothed in white robes, and from where have they come?” I said to him, “Sir, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.​

John's like I don't know, "Sir, you know". Like why don't you tell me? You would know better than me.

Peaceful Sabbath.

You seemed to be the only one who actually watched the video. Thank you for your cooperation and input.
About "demons chasing down people and eating them", I don't know about that. Figuratively they seek out to torture and destroy. The Bible says beasts will attack humans. I'm sure the demons possess animals, even pets of the unbelievers and turn on them like pit bulls.
I know about the demon locusts that sting and torture people for five months and then later I suppose they morph into 200 million horsemen. I am not sure how that will manifest. Maybe these spiritual demons on horseback possess humans physically to fight the war of Armeggedon? The birds, the great supper/ bloody harvest, I always thought was just them feasti on the billions of dead bodies in the aftermath.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Cool, but 80 years span since 1948 ends in 2028. After that, you will have to come up with another number. Do you already know which one and how you will reason about that new number?

Or, you will need to switch to 1968 instead of 1948, as some of your fellows did, already.

I didn't prophesy about any 40 year generation, Hal Lindsey did in his book, "The Late Great Planet Earth". And some prophecy buffs, Pastors jumped on that band wagon. I got saved in 1991 - so missed that false alarm. Then there was Y2K. I was skeptical about that. They just fixed the computers. But still, even if there was a computer meltdown, that did not mean the end of the world. Then people got excited about the Mayan prediction, for 2012. That was not Biblically supported either.
I have held to the 80 year generation for a while and besides that, Jesus gave us signs to look for. The "beginning of sorrows" in Matthew 24. ( earthquakes, pestilence, wars, rumors of wars, etc). Of course people can claim that has been a reality for thousands of years. But not with such a heightened frequency.
But his main sign was Matthew 24:14. This prophecy was never fulfilled in any other previous generation, nor was it possible; but it has recently been fulfilled in ours. The Gospel has been preached to every nation down to the remote tribes as well. So get ready.
Oh BTW, if nothing happens in our 80 year generation, I will still likely be living the good life, retired in Texas. I will not shift the starting date to 1967 and come out with a revised prophetic story!
Why, because I will have come to grips with the whole scenario and discard it, admitting it was wrong. Even if I wanted to, I would likely not see 2047 - I'd be 92. Unless I keep eating organic only - then maybe.

 

[Dave Watchman]

You seemed to be the only one who actually watched the video. Thank you for your cooperation and input.
About "demons chasing down people and eating them", I don't know about that. Figuratively they seek out to torture and destroy. The Bible says beasts will attack humans. I'm sure the demons possess animals, even pets of the unbelievers and turn on them like pit bulls.
I know about the demon locusts that sting and torture people for five months and then later I suppose they morph into 200 million horsemen. I am not sure how that will manifest. Maybe these spiritual demons on horseback possess humans physically to fight the war of Armeggedon? The birds, the great supper/ bloody harvest, I always thought was just them feasti on the billions of dead bodies in the aftermath.

That's what I thought too. Just the carrion birds cleaning up the mess. But when a man, even John, is taken to heaven in the spirit and is shown various visions, unless there were to be a narrative which explains the visions, he, like us, is left to an interpretation. So if he saw a clip of what he thought were demons eating people, it might not be exactly what he thought it was.

Revelation says the flesh of men will be eaten. The flesh of kings, the flesh of captains, the flesh of mighty men, the flesh of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all men, both free and slave, both small and great. Flesh will be eaten.

Joshua may have been seeing a vision, a scene, of that thing taking place.

There are two other things he said that require an explanation. One of them is that when people take the mark of the beast, it changes their DNA, and they become different creatures. I'm giving buddy in the thread here a chance to answer that one for me from a Biblical example.

Or else I'll put my answer what it is latter.

The third thing that Joshua said that I tried to use to trip him up on was that in 2018, he said Jesus appeared to him "physically". He said it twice when the silly cent twinz questioned him, "physically?' He said yes, Jesus appeared to him physically wearing a Kings robe.

On another forum I said yea but, in Acts the angel said Jesus can't come back to earth until the time to restore all things. Was the time to restore all things in 2018?

"Heaven must take Him in until the time comes for the restoration of all things, which God announced long ago through His holy prophets.​

My intention here isn't to say when the resurrection will not occur, just to be a tester of all things.

Peaceful Sabbath.

 

[shepherdsword]

I didn't prophesy about any 40 year generation, Hal Lindsey did in his book, "The Late Great Planet Earth". And some prophecy buffs, Pastors jumped on that band wagon. I got saved in 1991 - so missed that false alarm. Then there was Y2K. I was skeptical about that. They just fixed the computers. But still, even if there was a computer meltdown, that did not mean the end of the world. Then people got excited about the Myan prediction, for 2012. That was not Biblically supported either.
I have held to the 80 year generation for a while and besides that, Jesus gave us signs to look for. The "beginning of sorrows" in Matthew 24. ( earthquakes, pestilence, wars, rumors of wars, etc). Of course people can claim that has been a reality for thousands of years. But not with such a heightened frequency.
But his main sign was Matthew 24:14. This prophecy was never fulfilled in any other previous generation, nor was it possible; but it has recently been fulfilled in ours. The Gospel has been preached to every nation down to the remote tribes as well. So get ready.

What scriptural justification do you have for a 80 year generation?

 

[Dave Watchman]

What scriptural justification do you have for a 80 year generation?

Psalm 90.

Verified by my Brave Browser's AI:

The scriptural basis for interpreting a "generation" as approximately 80 years comes primarily from Psalm 90, which states, "The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow". This verse is often cited to suggest that 80 years represents the maximum lifespan for a person, especially when considering strength and vigor. Some interpretations view this as a general rule for human life expectancy, with 70 years being the average and 80 years an exceptional case for those with strong health.

This interpretation is sometimes linked to the concept of a "generation" in biblical prophecy, particularly in discussions surrounding the "fig tree" parable in Luke 21, where some believe the rebirth of Israel in 1948 marks the beginning of a generation that would not pass away until the end times. Proponents of this view argue that adding 80 years to 1948 leads to a conclusion that the generation would end around 2028.

The video guy from this thread said Jesus told him it would be 77 years, from the time that Israel became a nation in 1948, until Jesus comes to do the Exodus.

We'll see soon.

Peaceful Sabbath.

 

[shepherdsword]

Psalm 90.

Verified by my Brave Browser's AI:

The scriptural basis for interpreting a "generation" as approximately 80 years comes primarily from Psalm 90, which states, "The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow". This verse is often cited to suggest that 80 years represents the maximum lifespan for a person, especially when considering strength and vigor. Some interpretations view this as a general rule for human life expectancy, with 70 years being the average and 80 years an exceptional case for those with strong health.

This interpretation is sometimes linked to the concept of a "generation" in biblical prophecy, particularly in discussions surrounding the "fig tree" parable in Luke 21, where some believe the rebirth of Israel in 1948 marks the beginning of a generation that would not pass away until the end times. Proponents of this view argue that adding 80 years to 1948 leads to a conclusion that the generation would end around 2028.

The video guy from this thread said Jesus told him it would be 77 years, from the time that Israel became a nation in 1948, until Jesus comes to do the Exodus.

We'll see soon.

Peaceful Sabbath.

I am more inclined to use an exact measure found in Gen 15 that gives it as 100 years

Ge 15:13-16
Then He said to Abram: "Know certainly that your descendants will be strangers in a land that is not theirs, and will serve them, and they will afflict them four hundred years. And also the nation whom they serve I will judge; afterward they shall come out with great possessions. Now as for you, you shall go to your fathers in peace; you shall be buried at a good old age. But in the fourth generation they shall return here, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete."

What's your view on this?

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

The third thing that Joshua said that I tried to use to trip him up on was that in 2018, he said Jesus appeared to him "physically.

"and that He may send Jesus Christ, who was preached to you before, whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began." Acts 3:20-21

Well, we are in the times - the end times, before the restoration time.
But I do see your very astute point!
Jesus visited the disciples during a 40 day period after his resurrection - 10 physical visitations. But He did emphasize that unless He went, the Holy Spirit would not come. Not that the two could not be present at the same time, all three have been. Still, this presents a sort of conflict of interests in Joshua's testimony. Why _ if Joshua already has the Holy Spirit _ would Jesus need to pay him a visit? Unless he wasn't saved in 2018? A vision or a dream is what the Bible says people will have during the end times. ???
Now this throws a wrench in the works. You know some of the things Joshua spoke of aside from the date, l passed off as additions to THE MESSAGE. In other words if Jesus only told him a date why blend it with additional thought of your own. I mean just stick with the words that Jesus uttered only. So here again, we have this expanded interview that should only speak of Jesus message. So where am I now? Not likey the taste of what I have been chewing.

 

[Dave Watchman]

What's your view on this?

It might mean they got better sleep and had lower blood pressure from Abraham's day, and through the generations of the Children of Israel. (I'm joking.)

I use this Genesis verse when I'm talking to the Atheists about the full cup principal. I don't think this is the verse to use to figure out the number of years of an individual man's lifetime in the modern era. Psalm 90 overrides it. Real life confirms it.

It will be just like in the days of Noah. Just like when the Amorites had reached their limit in Genesis 15. God was showing all the land that He would be giving Abraham, but not until four generations passed. God couldn't give Abraham the land yet, because the sins of the Amorites had not yet reached it's limit.

"Then the LORD said to Abram, “Know for certain that your descendants will be strangers in a foreign country. They will be enslaved and oppressed for four hundred years. But I will execute judgment on the nation that they will serve. Afterward they will come out with many possessions. But as for you, you will go to your ancestors in peace and be buried at a good old age. In the fourth generation your descendants will return here, for the sin of the Amorites has not yet reached its limit.” - Gen 15:13​

It's the full cup principle. God was the executor, following through on an assigned task, but, just like the judgement that fell on Sodom and Gomorrah, it was Satan who was ultimately responsible for all the death and destruction.

The 400 years and the four generations are not the same time periods. People don't live 100 years since the antediluvians.

Abram was 75 years old when he entered Egypt.

"And Abraham was an hundred years old, when his son Isaac was born unto him." - Genesis 21:5

But when did the affliction or bondage begin? That's the question. There's a time gap between the 400 years, and the fourth generation.

During the famine, when Jacob, at Joseph's special invitation, had brought all of his family into "Egypt," the count began on the four generations. The two time periods are not the same, but do overlap.

Peaceful Sabbath.

 

[shepherdsword]

It might mean they got better sleep and had lower blood pressure from Abraham's day, and through the generations of the Children of Israel. (I'm joking.)

I use this Genesis verse when I'm talking to the Atheists about the full cup principal. I don't think this is the verse to use to figure out the number of years of an individual man's lifetime in the modern era. Psalm 90 overrides it. Real life confirms it.

It will be just like in the days of Noah. Just like when the Amorites had reached their limit in Genesis 15. God was showing all the land that He would be giving Abraham, but not until four generations passed. God couldn't give Abraham the land yet, because the sins of the Amorites had not yet reached it's limit.

"Then the LORD said to Abram, “Know for certain that your descendants will be strangers in a foreign country. They will be enslaved and oppressed for four hundred years. But I will execute judgment on the nation that they will serve. Afterward they will come out with many possessions. But as for you, you will go to your ancestors in peace and be buried at a good old age. In the fourth generation your descendants will return here, for the sin of the Amorites has not yet reached its limit.” - Gen 15:13​

It's the full cup principle. God was the executor, following through on an assigned task, but, just like the judgement that fell on Sodom and Gomorrah, it was Satan who was ultimately responsible for all the death and destruction.

The 400 years and the four generations are not the same time periods. People don't live 100 years since the antediluvians.

Abram was 75 years old when he entered Egypt.

"And Abraham was an hundred years old, when his son Isaac was born unto him." - Genesis 21:5

But when did the affliction or bondage begin? That's the question. There's a time gap between the 400 years, and the fourth generation.

During the famine, when Jacob, at Joseph's special invitation, had brought all of his family into "Egypt," the count began on the four generations. The two time periods are not the same, but do overlap.

Peaceful Sabbath.

If they are going to be afflicted 400 years and come out in the 4th generation then the math demands 100 years for a generation. We have people living to 120 years. It's rare but it does happen.

 

[shepherdsword]

Emm, how pompous! Let's see, if I posted this 44 minutes ago and you responded 23 minutes later, that means you did not watch the video!
A wise man would agree that the man's case should be heard before a judgment can be made. Obviously, you judge first, allowing no room for any other view.

I don't mind being wrong, just mind people who are rude. I don't recall engaging in any recent debates with you. What do you di, just sit back, read my post and smirk to yourself without a challenge? But this is not my view, I SAID I wasn't sure about it and actually that it went against my view. I just presented it and asked for feedback.
Since you didn't even examine the prophecy well, you are excluded from any dialogue with me on the subject.

You somehow believe that one has to watch the entire video before forming an opinion. You only have to listen to the first five minutes to see "Joshua" is a deceiver. I am ONE BILLION percent sure he is lying through his teeth.