Is it okay to blame God for stuff that is his fault?

[Lambano]

I was born a sinner in need of redemption.
Who should I blame for that?

Life is hard. Who should I blame for that?

Terrible things are happening every day.
Who should I blame for that?

I'm dying. Who should I blame for that?

Is it needful to blame someone?

How will you enforce your judgement against God?
(Larry Niven/Jerry Pournelle, Inferno.)

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Is it okay to blame God for stuff that is his fault?

Only the devil believes God has any faults... those listening to the devil also believe God is in error

These people won't be found in God's Kingdom which is going to be great so God's true children won't have to listen to satan's garbage claiming God is at fault for evil stuff.

If we believe God is sovereign, then he is ultimately responsible for this mess we are in.

That is doctrines of demons to claim God is responsible for all the evil in the world.

That's one thing the calvinists and the moslems have in common is that everything that happens, happens not only because God allowed it but because God is the One making it happen.

So they claim when a child is raped by a pervert... they claim it was God's will for the child to be rap;ed and God led the rapist to do this deed.

Those believing this garbage have fallen victim to satan's physiological warfare where he accuses God of wrong doing just like the devil did with Adam and Eve in the Garden where he told them God with withholding from them the ability to become like gods which is why they should disobey God an d eat of the three God told them to not eat from.

Accusing God as being responsible for evil is getting on the fastlane to hell as this is where that leads to.

Like a person's reaction to a bee flying near them.
We tend to swat them away. A beekeeper knows better.

Yep and some beekeepers die from getting stung by a bunch of bees.

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
I was born a sinner in need of redemption.
Who should I blame for that?

Life is hard. Who should I blame for that?

Terrible things are happening every day.
Who should I blame for that?

I'm dying. Who should I blame for that?

How will you enforce your judgement against God?
(Larry Niven/Jerry Pournelle, Inferno.)

Interesting that my questions are interpreted as judgement against God.

If my wife burned the house down because she left the stove on when it should
have been turned off, is it judging her to affix her with the blame? I didn't do it.
But we both bear the consequences. It should be okay to lay blame where it belongs.
And to do so without casting judgment.

Can't I non-judgmentally assign blame to God for things that are clearly His doing?
Personally, I think this is the sort of dialog that God wants to have with us.
We short-circuit the process when we fear offending God by telling Him the truth.

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[Dan Clarkston]

Who should I blame for that?

Yourself.... and no, you were not born a sinner.

Like everyone else you were born in to a world full of sin and darkness and at some point you started sinner.

For all have sinned" (Romans 3:23) so everyone is being held accountable for the sins they have created, not for Adam's sin.

Life is hard. Who should I blame for that?

The way of the transgressor is hard (Proverbs 13:15)

If my wife burned the house down because she left the stove on when it should
have been turned off, is it judging her to affix her with the blame?

Well, she left the stove on.

It's amazing that anybody would assign the blame for this to anyone else.

2 Timothy 2:23
But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strife.

These sort of questions generals strife and division between those asking and the Lord.

 

[Lambano]

Interesting that my questions are interpreted as judgement against God.

If my wife burned the house down because she left the stove on when it should
have been turned off, is it judging her to affix her with the blame? I didn't do it.
But we both bear the consequences. It should be okay to lay blame where it belongs.

I'm sorry, but assigning blame IS judgement, by definition. Your internal jury has returned a verdict of "guilty" against God on the charges of making you a sinner from birth, giving you a hard life, negligently allowing terrible things to happen in this world, and slowly killing you.*

So, what's the sentence? There has to be consequences. How will you enforce your judgement against God?

* (*Uh, is that an immediate concern, or more of a long-term issue?)

 

[GodsGrace]

That's exactly how I meant it. Bad things happening to good people is merely a symptom of that. Bad people surviving and influencing society far longer that we believe they ought to be. The expectation that God should act the moment we see evil and inflict vengeance on our behalf or someone else's behalf... Immediately.

Have you not been hearing Trump and his close associates in government? The promises to give the church power. The promises to eradicate all evil wokism from society and "being the nation back to God". How else could any government accomplish this without legislation, for that is how a government speaks, and the promise or threat of penalties if contravened? How far can they go in establishing a nation as a Christian nation under God without such legislation advocating religion with compulsion and penalties? What particular brand of Christianity are they imposing? Obviously, the brand they view was best suits the majority right? And the minority Christian groups who disagree with their particular brand...

Jesus sought to establish His kingdom in the hearts and minds of men, and they just happened to be on earth. The kingdom was never intended to be established as a physical theocratic entity. Sadly, Christian nationalism is alive and very very well in America and has the ear of government. Evangelicanism in America is Christian nationalism light. But still the same concept and ideas. And errors.

This is new to me Brakelite....sorry. It's not easy understanding nuance type news from so far away.
What you state above has not been heard from me and I listen to a lot of "news" and persons on YouTube to know what's going on over there.

Needless to say, (I think I've already stated this) I don't believe in a Theocracy.
I DO believe in a country with Christian values but it has to happen in a natural way and cannot be imposed.

I also believe our country is in a very bad state and if this continues it WILL bring about oppressive legislation that will take away some of our freedoms. It seems to be a Catch-22 to me and it's very concerning.

Just today I heard a Congress woman (I think it was a congress woman) once again call Trump and his cabinet Fascists.
7 days after the shooting.
As much as I hate to say it, something DOES have to be done.
Maybe a law stating that someone cannot be called a fascist unless they really are one?

And so it would begin....
but by the actions of the left.

I'm worried.

Let me clarify that I'm a conservative person.

 

[GodsGrace]

@GodsGrace
I think you will find this informative. Five Good reasons why there is suffering. First reason part 1, the other 4 part 2.

Hey Brakelite
This video speaks about stuff that we Christians should already know about.
I watched some of it to see what it was about.

I'm wondering why you're thinking about this so much.
Regarding evil: We know it exists, but we cannot know WHY it exists.
We can blame it on the 1/3 of angels that fell from the grace of God because they rebelled...
We can blame it on the sin nature...which we all have, and is found even in nature....

But we cannot know why there's evil.

Every time I thought I had the answer, I realized that I did NOT.
There is no answer Brakelite.

Give God the glory...
be happy that you know Him and be a good witness.

Is there anything else we can do?
I don't think so....

 

[GodsGrace]

St. SteVen said:
I was born a sinner in need of redemption.
Who should I blame for that?

Life is hard. Who should I blame for that?

Terrible things are happening every day.
Who should I blame for that?

I'm dying. Who should I blame for that?

Interesting that my questions are interpreted as judgement against God.

If my wife burned the house down because she left the stove on when it should
have been turned off, is it judging her to affix her with the blame? I didn't do it.
But we both bear the consequences. It should be okay to lay blame where it belongs.
And to do so without casting judgment.

Can't I non-judgmentally assign blame to God for things that are clearly His doing?
Personally, I think this is the sort of dialog that God wants to have with us.
We short-circuit the process when we fear offending God by telling Him the truth.

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Sounds like you became Calvinist St. SteVen.
Happy now?

 

[GodsGrace]

They aren't enforcing doctrine... Yet. But the impetus at the moment is heading quickly in that direction. The Charlie Kirk assassination will only flame the fire. And the Republican party was during on free speech and constitutional rights. Now they've cancelled Jimmy Kimmel because they were threatened by a government department on advice from a Trump associate. Although one could quite easily believe that Jimmy got an attractive "compensation" and will happily retire. Politics is all a game. You can't trust any of them to tell you the truth. And now the US is getting hot under the collar to introduce hate speech. In other words, one will no longer be permitted to say anything the government hates. The entire political and religious paradigm growing now in the US is becoming increasingly in harmony with a society that could easily and quickly turn against religious minorities that teach anything against what they accept as the "common good".

The above is what I just replied to a few minutes ago.

I know what you mean and I agree.

However, let me say this.....
Kimmel was justly fired,,,and here's why:

The FCC is SUPPOSED to monitor public communication and protect the public....
one of these protective ideas is that fake news is not supposed to be dispersed into society...
IOW, prominent persons on TV are not supposed to lie.

Kimmel clearly told a lie and a dangerous and dumb one all at the same time.
The killer is known and he was trying to protect blame to the left.

Many got fired. I doubt the fed govt put in calls to all these firings....
maybe things are turning around and the woke people will have to start getting a taste of their own medicine?
Maybe neither the right nor the left should be instigating problems in society?

People are fed up with woke and I think this is just proof of it.
Also, Kimmel's ratings were low so maybe the producers used this as an excuse to fire him?
We'll never know for sure.

Personally, I don't care...he sounds like an idiot and I'm tired of hearing idiotic mutterings when our country is falling apart.

I think I explained what could happen in my previous post to you.

We DO need to stop calling those on the right fascists....

 

[Hiddenthings]

Two separate and distinct beings. You deny one, and you cannot discern outside your own thought paradigm. Accept the word of God as truth, and the situation explains itself. You don't go to the extreme of claiming Balaam's donkey was anything other than a donkey, because no other creature off mentioned, so despite its ability at that time to speak, yet you understand that some supernatural act is in evidence. Why baulk when it comes to the serpent? You are told elsewhere that the devil is described metaphorically as a serpent, knowing full well that the Bible describes him originally as a spirit... An angel. Therefore the logical conclusion is that knowing this serpent in the garden was wise and obviously very beautiful, and this intriguing to look upon, He used this fascinating creature as a medium. Just like in the occult to this day, evil spirits impersonating dead people through mediums. It isn't that complicated.

See!

Why did God make an animal first with cunningness and second with the ability to speak?

 

[Hiddenthings]

I also could ask numerous questions, as could most people, regarding a plethora of topics and accuse you of being dumb or ignorant because you don't have all the answers.

You may think you have the answers to these themes in Scripture, but you don’t. Let’s not pretend otherwise, let’s get down to the raw truth of the matter.

You cannot impose your interpretation of a fallen angel onto Genesis 3:1, it’s impossible.


Now, if you were dealing with prophecy and recognizing the serpent as a symbol of what it came to represent, then yes—we would be in agreement. But your ventriloquist hypothesis remains completely unproven.

But the Bible doesn't tell us everything.

It certainly does not tell us anything about angel sinning in heaven and the fanciful notions you teach.

Many questions remain unanswered that God in his wisdom has left deliberately obscure. What we must not do is what you are doing with the scriptures regarding Satan, by improvising and inserting your own imaginative answers in order to fill gaps that don't suit your theology.

satan is merely a ward that means adversary, and it has so many different contexts in which none of them provide you what you want.

You have some curious claims regarding the nature of Satan and demons and devils etc, but none of come from scripture. The old adage, scripture interprets scripture, is a good one. We follow that. You haven't. There's nothing in scripture to corroborate your ideas regarding Satan as an idea or ethereal non personal being port human power. One scripture I gave you specifically refutes that possibility.

Show me the identity of your creature anywhere in Scripture.


Take me to the ministry of Christ and demonstrate where Jesus speaks directly of this being’s existence, or where He warns His disciples about it.

You cannot, and I know this, Brakelite. I also know that you have been deceived.

“For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. ”
Ephesians 6:12 KJV

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You would have us believe that we wrestle not with flesh and blood, but with flesh and blood.

Come on man - quoting Eph 6:12 and you think this is evidence for your being's existence?

You know very well who Christ and Paul wrestled against throughout their entire ministries, it was the religious authorities, symbolized by “the heavens.” Can’t you discern the symbol?

Who were the rulers seeking to destroy the gospel, the very ones responsible for Paul’s scourging's, imprisonments, and persecutions?

You are not a fool - you are a smart and spiritually discerning believer but this has got to stop!

With all your knowledge of the ministries of Christ and Paul, if you still can’t see that spiritual wickedness was manifest in the Pharisees and Sadducees, then we must be reading different Bibles.

Take me to Paul’s journeys and show me your creature.
Take me to the crucifixion and show me your creature.
Take me anywhere in those ministries and show where this creature is mentioned and its identity revealed.

You can’t, because it does not exist.

What does appear repeatedly are terms like “false accuser” and “adversary.” It is to those passages that you’ve attached your mythological notions.

 

[GodsGrace]

You may think you have the answers to these themes in Scripture, but you don’t. Let’s not pretend otherwise, let’s get down to the raw truth of the matter.

You cannot impose your interpretation of a fallen angel onto Genesis 3:1, it’s impossible.


Now, if you were dealing with prophecy and recognizing the serpent as a symbol of what it came to represent, then yes—we would be in agreement. But your ventriloquist hypothesis remains completely unproven.

It certainly does not tell us anything about angel sinning in heaven and the fanciful notions you teach.

satan is merely a ward that means adversary, and it has so many different contexts in which none of them provide you what you want.

Show me the identity of your creature anywhere in Scripture.


Take me to the ministry of Christ and demonstrate where Jesus speaks directly of this being’s existence, or where He warns His disciples about it.

You cannot, and I know this, Brakelite. I also know that you have been deceived.


Come on man - quoting Eph 6:12 and you think this is evidence for your being's existence?

You know very well who Christ and Paul wrestled against throughout their entire ministries, it was the religious authorities, symbolized by “the heavens.” Can’t you discern the symbol?

Who were the rulers seeking to destroy the gospel, the very ones responsible for Paul’s scourging's, imprisonments, and persecutions?

You are not a fool - you are a smart and spiritually discerning believer but this has got to stop!

With all your knowledge of the ministries of Christ and Paul, if you still can’t see that spiritual wickedness was manifest in the Pharisees and Sadducees, then we must be reading different Bibles.

Take me to Paul’s journeys and show me your creature.
Take me to the crucifixion and show me your creature.
Take me anywhere in those ministries and show where this creature is mentioned and its identity revealed.

You can’t, because it does not exist.

What does appear repeatedly are terms like “false accuser” and “adversary.” It is to those passages that you’ve attached your mythological notions.

What you believe about satan really does not interest me....
However, let me say that IF you had ever seen a real exorcism...
or even believed in satanic possission....
you'd change your mind lickety split.

And just for the record since you're asking Brakelite about Jesus addressing these demonic spirits....
you might remember that He exorcised a few.

You say you know the bible,,,so I'm sure you know of what I'm speaking.

 

[Hiddenthings]

@Brakelite

Knowing you cannot answer my questions or show an understanding of your evil creature.

What did Christ teach which Paul echoed in Ephesians 6:12?

Luke 12:1 In the meantime, when so many thousands of the people had gathered together that they were trampling one another, he began to say to his disciples first, “Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.”

Matthew 16:11–12 How is it that you fail to understand that I did not speak about bread? Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees.” Then they understood that he did not tell them to beware of the leaven of bread, but of the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees.

“For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. ” Ephesians 6:12

This world, Brakelite, this is the spiritual arena where believers endured suffering and death, first at the hands of the religious elite, and later at the hands of the Romans, who themselves were influenced by the Jews of that time.

What did Christ overcome? John 16:33

 

[Hiddenthings]

What you believe about satan really does not interest me....
However, let me say that IF you had ever seen a real exorcism...
or even believed in satanic possission....
you'd change your mind lickety split.

And just for the record since you're asking Brakelite about Jesus addressing these demonic spirits....
you might remember that He exorcised a few.

You say you know the bible,,,so I'm sure you know of what I'm speaking.

Sorry, but little of what you say interests me, I see you as someone who is self-deceived. And as for Brakelite’s view on this matter, you’ll notice he cannot produce a single inspired letter to support his beliefs...not 1

 

[GodsGrace]

Sorry, but little of what you say interests me, I see you as someone who is self-deceived. And as for Brakelite’s view on this matter, you’ll notice he cannot produce a single inspired letter to support his beliefs...not 1

@Brakelite has no need to provide you with anything.

YOU are the one claiming that satan does not exist.
It's upon YOU to prove that he does not exist.

Christianity believes that satan is a real being.

You can believe whatever you want to believe....
I just hope you don't think you're a Christian.

Plus, when he replies to you it just give you more opportunity to spew your nonsense.

You know...
You could believe clouds don't exist.
But it does rain.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Christianity believes that satan is a real being.

Do you realize that for roughly three months, this forum could not provide a single answer to a simple question about Genesis 3:1? Ask those who participated, no one was able to identify this being from any part of the Lord’s ministry or Paul’s ministry as evidence of its existence.

Brakelite will read my responses and deep down he will know what is written is true regardless of the words that come back.

 

[GodsGrace]

Do you realize that for roughly three months, this forum could not provide a single answer to a simple question about Genesis 3:1? Ask those who participated, no one was able to identify this being from any part of the Lord’s ministry or Paul’s ministry as evidence of its existence.

Brakelite will read my responses and deep down he will know what is written is true regardless of the words that come back.

You mean the snake?
The snake represents Satan...
The evil one.....
The one Adam decided to obey instead of God.

What's the problem?

 

[Hiddenthings]

You mean the snake?
The snake represents Satan...
The evil one.....
The one Adam decided to obey instead of God.

What's the problem?

Your exegesis is terrible that's the problem.

 

[GodsGrace]

Your exegesis is terrible that's the problem.

Thanks. Appreciated.
Except I didn't exegete anything.
What exactly needs exegeting?
You asked about the being in Gen 3:1

 

[Brakelite]

See!

Why did God make an animal first with cunningness and second with the ability to speak? Her

A late friend of mine, a neighbour, got to deeply involved in ancient religious and customary practices of her indigenous people. I visited one night and she tried to attack me but for her husband grappling with her on the floor to hold her back. She then spoke to me with a male voice with such hatred I'd never seen before anywhere. And the language she spoke was a dialect so ancient her husband, a fluent speaker in that language, could only pick up a few words. If a demon can do that through a woman, Satan can do it through a serpent. You are so closed minded you cannot see reality. You need to get out in the real world and open your eyes as to what's going on all around you. The battle between spiritual powers is real. The war between Christ and Satan is real. You need to get out of your nice comfortable little bubble and start preaching the real gospel to people. Then you'll find out who your real enemy is. It isn't flesh and blood.