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OK, so now we are nit picking as to the author of Hebrews, as if it matters in connection with the actual information it contains....? The fact remains that Hebrews was widely ascribed to Paul by the early writers. The Chester Beatty Papyrus no2, written about 200 C.E. contains Hebrews among the nine letters of Paul, also in the Canon of Athanasius in the 4th century, Hebrews is attributed to Paul.

The lack of personal identification does not rule Paul out as the writer, and it does not in any way devalue the contents of it, if it was written by another inspired writer......it is all God’s word....is it not? (2 Tim 3:16-17)
Hebrews 1:8-10
8 But to the Son He says: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;

Jesus is God!

9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions."
10 And: "You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands.

Amen Jesus!
 

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OK, so now we are nit picking as to the author of Hebrews, as if it matters in connection with the actual information it contains....? The fact remains that Hebrews was widely ascribed to Paul by the early writers. The Chester Beatty Papyrus no2, written about 200 C.E. contains Hebrews among the nine letters of Paul, also in the Canon of Athanasius in the 4th century, Hebrews is attributed to Paul.

The lack of personal identification does not rule Paul out as the writer, and it does not in any way devalue the contents of it, if it was written by another inspired writer......it is all God’s word....is it not? (2 Tim 3:16-17)
Author of Hebrews is not revealed by Scripture.
Great to see that you accept Scripture & not the opinions of man.
 

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Author of Hebrews is not revealed by Scripture.
Great to see that you accept Scripture & not the opinions of man.
Well, it seems to me that you yourself accept the opinions of man, because you seem to rely only on yourself.....are you not a man? How reliable are your own interpretations?

The author of Hebrews does not make its contents invalid. What is written is the word of God, no matter whom he inspired to write it.....correct?
 
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Understanding the Role of Satan in a Theological Framework

When examining the role of Satan within a theological framework grounded strictly in Scripture, it is essential to begin with the foundational declaration found in 1 Corinthians 8:6, which affirms that there is one God, the Father, from whom all things originate, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things exist. This statement establishes a unified ontology that leaves little room for true dualism. While many traditional interpretations have leaned toward a dualistic structure in which good and evil operate as competing forces, the biblical text consistently affirms that all things, including opposition, exist within the sovereignty of God. This reframing is critical, because it situates Satan not as an independent rival to God but as a being whose existence and function are entirely dependent upon and subordinate to divine purpose. Every figure within the biblical narrative derives meaning from their relationship to God’s overarching plan, and Satan is no exception.

Scripture describes Satan as an adversary and deceiver “from the beginning,” as seen in passages such as John 8:44 and 1 John 3:8. Rather than requiring the assumption that Satan fell from a state of perfection—an interpretation often derived from poetic or symbolic readings of Isaiah 14 or Ezekiel 28—a more textually constrained reading suggests that Satan was created as an adversary from the outset. This interpretation aligns with the broader biblical principle that all things originate from God and serve His purposes. In this light, opposition is not accidental, nor is it a cosmic mistake, but rather an intentional component within the structure of creation. While this concept introduces tension, particularly regarding how evil can exist under a sovereign and good God, that tension is resolved by understanding evil not as an independent or eternal force but as a temporary and functional element within God’s larger plan. It exists for a purpose and will ultimately be resolved within that same sovereignty.

Within this framework, Satan functions as a divinely permitted opponent whose role is to challenge, test, and expose. His activity is never autonomous but always operates within boundaries established by God. The narrative of Job provides a clear example, where Satan’s actions are explicitly limited by divine permission, resulting not in destruction but in the deepening of Job’s understanding and relationship with God. Similarly, in Luke 22:31–32, Jesus acknowledges Satan’s desire to sift Peter, yet this testing is ultimately used to strengthen Peter’s faith. Even the temptation of Jesus in the wilderness demonstrates that Satan’s role is not to derail God’s plan but to serve as a context in which obedience, truth, and authority are revealed. These examples consistently illustrate that Satan’s opposition functions as a means of refinement rather than rebellion against divine sovereignty.

Satan’s primary domain of influence is not the physical world but the realm of human thought and perception. As stated in 2 Corinthians 4:4, he blinds the minds of individuals, preventing them from perceiving truth. His methods are subtle, relying on distortion, misdirection, and partial truths rather than overt force. This influence becomes evident in the proliferation of competing ideologies and theological systems that obscure clarity regarding God’s nature and purpose. These systems are not necessarily the result of malicious human intent but are part of a broader spiritual dynamic in which truth is obscured through complexity, confusion, and misrepresentation. Within this context, the defense against deception is not intellectual mastery alone but faith grounded in divine revelation, which provides the necessary framework for discernment.

Testing, therefore, becomes a central theme in understanding Satan’s function. Scripture consistently presents trials not as arbitrary suffering but as purposeful processes through which faith is refined. This reframes adversity entirely, shifting it from something to be avoided to something that contributes to spiritual formation. The believer is not called to eliminate testing but to endure it, recognizing that it operates within the boundaries of divine intention. Faith, in this sense, is strengthened through resistance, much like physical strength is developed through strain.

Closely tied to this is the role of evil within God’s broader plan of salvation. Isaiah 45:7 states that God “creates evil,” using the Hebrew term ra, which refers more precisely to adversity or calamity rather than moral wrongdoing. This distinction is critical, as it demonstrates that God actively establishes conditions that produce hardship for the sake of a greater purpose. This idea is reinforced in passages such as Amos 3:6, which asserts that disaster does not occur apart from the Lord, and 2 Thessalonians 2:11, which speaks of God sending a strong delusion. These statements are not contradictions of God’s goodness but affirmations of His sovereignty, indicating that even adverse conditions are instruments within His plan. Evil, therefore, is not an independent force but a tool used to accomplish divine objectives, ultimately contributing to the good described in Romans 8:28.

This perspective also necessitates a reconsideration of human nature and the concept of the Fall. Rather than viewing humanity as having fallen from a state of perfect spiritual condition, the biblical narrative can be understood as presenting humanity as created in a state of weakness, designed for growth and development. Adam and Eve did not fall from perfection but acted according to their inherent limitations. This interpretation is supported by passages such as Hebrews 2:10, which indicate that even Christ was made perfect through suffering, suggesting that growth through trial is a fundamental aspect of God’s design. The Fall, therefore, is not a catastrophic failure but a stage within a developmental process through which humanity comes to understand dependence on God.

Within this framework, the concept of free will must also be reconsidered. Scripture consistently indicates that human beings do not possess autonomous moral independence. Romans 3:23 states that all have sinned, and Philippians 2:13 clarifies that it is God who works within individuals to will and to act according to His purpose. Human choices are real but are not independent of divine causation. The universal inability of humanity to achieve sinless behavior suggests that the traditional notion of free will, defined as the unrestricted ability to choose good or evil, is not supported by the biblical text. Instead, human will operates within the context of divine sovereignty and is influenced by both God and opposing forces such as Satan.

Satan’s actions, however, remain entirely within the boundaries set by God. Examples throughout Scripture reinforce this, including his role in testing Job, influencing Judas, and serving as the source of Paul’s “thorn in the flesh.” Even disciplinary actions within the early church, where individuals are “delivered to Satan,” function as corrective measures intended to bring about repentance and restoration. These patterns consistently demonstrate that Satan operates as an instrument of refinement rather than an independent agent of destruction.

The Book of Revelation further develops this theme by addressing deception within the church itself. References to the “synagogue of Satan” and “Satan’s throne” are best understood not as references to external groups or physical locations but as symbolic descriptions of spiritual conditions within the community of believers. Romans 2:28–29 defines true identity as inward rather than external, reinforcing the idea that the greatest threat is not external opposition but internal distortion of truth. Revelation’s symbolic language underscores the recurring nature of these conditions across time, portraying the church as continually navigating cycles of faithfulness and deception.

Ultimately, the trajectory of Scripture points toward a comprehensive resolution in which all things are brought into alignment with God’s purpose. Revelation 21:4–5 describes a future in which suffering, death, and pain are eliminated, while 1 Corinthians 15:26 declares that death itself will be destroyed. Colossians 1:20 speaks of the reconciliation of all things, suggesting that God’s plan culminates not in perpetual division but in restoration. Within this framework, the “second death” is understood as a process of purification rather than eternal torment, reinforcing the idea that judgment serves a corrective, not merely punitive, function.

The biblical narrative, when viewed as a whole, functions as a grand spiritual progression in which humanity moves from a natural state to a spiritual one. As described in 1 Corinthians 15, the first man represents the earthly condition, while Christ represents the heavenly fulfillment. This movement from weakness to strength, from corruption to incorruption, is not incidental but foundational to God’s design. Humanity is not simply being judged but transformed.

In conclusion, Satan’s role within this theological framework is not that of an ultimate adversary in opposition to God but that of a subordinate agent functioning within divine sovereignty. Evil, suffering, and deception are not failures of creation but mechanisms through which God accomplishes His purposes. This perspective challenges traditional assumptions about dualism, free will, and the nature of evil, offering instead a unified vision in which all things, including opposition itself, ultimately serve the unfolding of God’s plan. The final outcome is not conflict but restoration, as all creation is brought into alignment with the will and character of God.
 

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Well, it seems to me that you yourself accept the opinions of man, because you seem to rely only on yourself.....are you not a man? How reliable are your own interpretations?

The author of Hebrews does not make its contents invalid. What is written is the word of God, no matter whom he inspired to write it.....correct?
All JW's 'know' is what the WatchTower tells them!
 
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Well, it seems to me that you yourself accept the opinions of man, because you seem to rely only on yourself.....are you not a man? How reliable are your own interpretations?

The author of Hebrews does not make its contents invalid. What is written is the word of God, no matter whom he inspired to write it.....correct?
You are happy being a JW diehard, I am happy being a Bible ALONE diehard.
Based on the JW interpretation, what are the Gospel verses that Paul is referring to in Gal 2:2 ?
 
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You are happy being a JW diehard, I am happy being a Bible ALONE diehard.
Based on the JW interpretation, what are the Gospel verses that Paul is referring to in Gal 2:2 ?
I know nothing of being a JW.... But I know scripture! Gal 2:2

This passage in Epistle to the Galatians is autobiographical. Paul the Apostle is defending the legitimacy of his message and authority—specifically, that the gospel he preaches to non-Jews (Gentiles) is valid and not inferior to the message coming from the original apostles in Jerusalem.

Paul is writing to counter a challenge: some teachers were telling Gentile Christians they must adopt Jewish law (especially circumcision) to be fully accepted. Paul argues that his gospel came directly from divine revelation, not from human authorities, and therefore does not need correction.

Gal 2:2 has nothing to do with TODAY!!!

Do JW's require their members to adopt Jewish law to be accepted? I'm guessing not... but you just choose a random verse... and then called/thought it was a Victory. Cherry picked verse saying nothing in relation to today!

I'm not fully versed in JW theology, and I'm sure they have major Issues! No really... Major issues... But so do Catholics, Baptist, Methodist, Calvinist, Eastern orthodoxy and everyother supposed Church you can Google!

Jesus wants his body to be joined together... not divided! If a group... believes Jesus is God's Messiah/Christ and died for the sins of the world, and the only way to the Father is through Him.... DON'T DIVIDE!!!
 

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Paul wrote more Books in the Bible than ANYBODY!

Galatians 1:11-12
11 But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. 12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.
 

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Paul wrote more Books in the Bible than ANYBODY!

Galatians 1:11-12
11 But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. 12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.
I don't understand your comments...

This is what you sound like... to me..

The sky is Blue... and clouds may form and produce rain from God Himself!!!! Now I have made my point... for all to see!

I don't even know if I agree or disagree with your post???

What are you saying? Not being rude... but you post random verses as if they say something you want them to say... but they don't and it's confusing!
 

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You are happy being a JW diehard, I am happy being a Bible ALONE diehard.
Based on the JW interpretation, what are the Gospel verses that Paul is referring to in Gal 2:2 ?
Since context is my first consideration of all Scripture, what is the context of these verses you seem to have picked at random?

”Galatians“ was obviously written to the brotherhood in Galatia….

Paul begins with this introduction….

“Paul, an apostle—not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead— and all the brothers who are with me.
To the churches of Galatia:…”


So Paul rightly spoke of his qualifications as an apostle….as “one sent forth” and he was “an apostle to the nations”, as he stated. In what way was he like the other apostles though not counted in with the 12?

He received his instructions directly in revelations from Jesus Christ…he was not taught by the other apostles, (who, knowing of his former course were at first suspicious of him.) But he proved true to his calling and suffered much at the hands of the Jews, as a former Pharisee he was seen as a blasphemer like Jesus was, and they treated him as such…a traitor.

To be writing to his brethren about a defection so soon after the death of Christ and the choosing of his fellow Jews as part of his elect, was telling.

He explained what happened….
“I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.” (Gal 1:1-2, 6-9 ESV)

There was no other gospel (good news) other than what was preached by all the apostles and disciples of Christ….why would there be? Paul did not teach a different gospel…he just had a different audience.

Gal 2:4-5 brings out that important point….
“Yet because of false brothers secretly brought in—who slipped in to spy out our freedom that we have in Christ Jesus, so that they might bring us into slavery— to them we did not yield in submission even for a moment, so that the truth of the gospel might be preserved for you. On the contrary, when they saw that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been entrusted with the gospel to the circumcised (for he who worked through Peter for his apostolic ministry to the circumcised worked also through me for mine to the Gentiles), and when James and Cephas and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given to me, they gave the right hand of fellowship to Barnabas and me, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised.“ (ESV)

There was no way Paul preached a different gospel to the other apostles….his approach would have been different as these gentiles had no knowledge of the true God……which gave the Jews no excuses to reject the Christ, because they claimed to worship the true God and had the Scriptures to help them identify him.

What other meaning would you give to that one verse, with no background information.
Never ever take a verse out of context to make it say what you want it to….the Bible explains itself but only if you know what it says….and you allow it to without embellishment.
 
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I don't understand your comments...
Simple, Paul got 'his' doctrines direct from Jesus.
This is what you sound like... to me..

The sky is Blue... and clouds may form and produce rain from God Himself!!!! Now I have made my point... for all to see!

I don't even know if I agree or disagree with your post???

What are you saying? Not being rude... but you post random verses as if they say something you want them to say... but they don't and it's confusing!
 
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I know nothing of being a JW.... But I know scripture! Gal 2:2

This passage in Epistle to the Galatians is autobiographical. Paul the Apostle is defending the legitimacy of his message and authority—specifically, that the gospel he preaches to non-Jews (Gentiles) is valid and not inferior to the message coming from the original apostles in Jerusalem.

Paul is writing to counter a challenge: some teachers were telling Gentile Christians they must adopt Jewish law (especially circumcision) to be fully accepted. Paul argues that his gospel came directly from divine revelation, not from human authorities, and therefore does not need correction.

Gal 2:2 has nothing to do with TODAY!!!

Do JW's require their members to adopt Jewish law to be accepted? I'm guessing not... but you just choose a random verse... and then called/thought it was a Victory. Cherry picked verse saying nothing in relation to today!

I'm not fully versed in JW theology, and I'm sure they have major Issues! No really... Major issues... But so do Catholics, Baptist, Methodist, Calvinist, Eastern orthodoxy and everyother supposed Church you can Google!

Jesus wants his body to be joined together... not divided! If a group... believes Jesus is God's Messiah/Christ and died for the sins of the world, and the only way to the Father is through Him.... DON'T DIVIDE!!!
Gal 2:2 n/a today ?
Do you reject 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 as the Gospel by which believers are saved today ?
 

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Do JW's require their members to adopt Jewish law to be accepted? I'm guessing not... but you just choose a random verse... and then called/thought it was a Victory. Cherry picked verse saying nothing in relation to today!
No indeed, we do not require any of our brotherhood to adopt Jewish laws or festivals that were intended only for them……nor do we celebrate pagan festivals dressed up as Christian celebrations (2 Cor 6:14-18) …..but we are at least recognized in the world as one global body of Christians who all hold to the same faith, and who teach the same Bible truth to all, in every nation, with no divisions or disagreements. (1 Cor 1:10)
Was that a recommendation, or would it be a evidence of their validity as Christians? And the “great commission”…was that also a recommendation for those so inclined, or was it a command? (Matt 28:19-20)
Who are taking the Christian message out to the people ”in all the inhabited earth”…..(Matt 24:14)

Whom do you recognize as your brethren?
With whom do you meet regularly for worship? (Heb 10:24-25)
I'm not fully versed in JW theology, and I'm sure they have major Issues! No really... Major issues... But so do Catholics, Baptist, Methodist, Calvinist, Eastern orthodoxy and everyother supposed Church you can Google!
Would you care to examine these to see if we have major issues…and ask, to whom are they major issues…God or men?
Are you the only one who has the truth? Are you a church of one? Or are you just part of a remote brotherhood with members dotted throughout the world with no knowledge or recognition of each other? How can we recognize the true Christians, in a world of fakes? (John 13:34-35)
Jesus wants his body to be joined together... not divided! If a group... believes Jesus is God's Messiah/Christ and died for the sins of the world, and the only way to the Father is through Him.... DON'T DIVIDE!!!
Too late I’m afraid…..and the divisions just keep on increasing….thousands now…so how do we know who to believe? Should we believe the many lone voices crying out in that spiritual wilderness? If so…..which ones?
 
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Since context is my first consideration of all Scripture, what is the context of these verses you seem to have picked at random?

”Galatians“ was obviously written to the brotherhood in Galatia….

Paul begins with this introduction….

“Paul, an apostle—not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead— and all the brothers who are with me.
To the churches of Galatia:…”


So Paul rightly spoke of his qualifications as an apostle….as “one sent forth” and he was “an apostle to the nations”, as he stated. In what way was he like the other apostles though not counted in with the 12?

He received his instructions directly in revelations from Jesus Christ…he was not taught by the other apostles, (who, knowing of his former course were at first suspicious of him.) But he proved true to his calling and suffered much at the hands of the Jews, as a former Pharisee he was seen as a blasphemer like Jesus was, and they treated him as such…a traitor.

To be writing to his brethren about a defection so soon after the death of Christ and the choosing of his fellow Jews as part of his elect, was telling.

He explained what happened….
“I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.” (Gal 1:1-2, 6-9 ESV)

There was no other gospel (good news) other than what was preached by all the apostles and disciples of Christ….why would there be? Paul did not teach a different gospel…he just had a different audience.

Gal 2:4-5 brings out that important point….
“Yet because of false brothers secretly brought in—who slipped in to spy out our freedom that we have in Christ Jesus, so that they might bring us into slavery— to them we did not yield in submission even for a moment, so that the truth of the gospel might be preserved for you. On the contrary, when they saw that I had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised, just as Peter had been entrusted with the gospel to the circumcised (for he who worked through Peter for his apostolic ministry to the circumcised worked also through me for mine to the Gentiles), and when James and Cephas and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given to me, they gave the right hand of fellowship to Barnabas and me, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised.“ (ESV)

There was no way Paul preached a different gospel to the other apostles….his approach would have been different as these gentiles had no knowledge of the true God……which gave the Jews no excuses to reject the Christ, because they claimed to worship the true God and had the Scriptures to help them identify him.

What other meaning would you give to that one verse, with no background information.
Never ever take a verse out of context to make it say what you want it to….the Bible explains itself but only if you know what it says….and you allow it to without embellishment.

Please advise what JW believe are the Gospel verses that Paul is referring to in Gal 2:2
Opinions are welcome once the verses are identified.
 

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Wow... You guys don't understand... Paul introduced the Mystery.

Eph 3:9 and to bring to light what is the administration of the mystery which for ages has been hidden in God who created all things;

Col 1:26 that is, the mystery which has been hidden from the past ages and generations, but has now been manifested to His saints,
27 to whom God willed to make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

Now it's not a Mystery to us... but in the 1st Century...


2Pe 3:14 Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless, 15 and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, 16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.
 

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It says only God has immortality, but I cannot find scripture that says Satan would die one day, maybe Satan ate from the tree of life and obtained immortality or maybe Satan is a name that can be changed. Satan is a name that means "Enemy".

1 Timothy 6:16 KJV Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

Revelation 20:10 ESV and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Hebrews 1:10-12 ESV And, "You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of your hands; (11) they will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment, (12) like a robe you will roll them up, like a garment they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will have no end."
 

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No indeed, we do not require any of our brotherhood to adopt Jewish laws or festivals that were intended only for them……nor do we celebrate pagan festivals dressed up as Christian celebrations (2 Cor 6:14-18) …..but we are at least recognized in the world as one global body of Christians who all hold to the same faith, and who teach the same Bible truth to all, in every nation, with no divisions or disagreements. (1 Cor 1:10)
Was that a recommendation, or would it be a evidence of their validity as Christians? And the “great commission”…was that also a recommendation for those so inclined, or was it a command? (Matt 28:19-20)
Who are taking the Christian message out to the people ”in all the inhabited earth”…..(Matt 24:14)

Whom do you recognize as your brethren?
With whom do you meet regularly for worship? (Heb 10:24-25)

Would you care to examine these to see if we have major issues…and ask, to whom are they major issues…God or men?
Are you the only one who has the truth? Are you a church of one? Or are you just part of a remote brotherhood with members dotted throughout the world with no knowledge or recognition of each other? How can we recognize the true Christians, in a world of fakes? (John 13:34-35)

Too late I’m afraid…..and the divisions just keep on increasing….thousands now…so how do we know who to believe? Should we believe the many lone voices crying out in that spiritual wilderness? If so…..which ones?
You just claimed the very view of every... Baptist, Methodist, Calvinist, Greek Orthodox, and Bible believing church that worships today.

It is not for you to know... who was written in the book of life before the world began.... (Rev 13:8) All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.

It is not for you to know who has been appointed! (Act 13:48) When the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord; and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed. Do note... appointment comes before belief not after!

Jer 10:23 LORD, we know that people do not control their own destiny. It is not in their power to determine what will happen to them.

2Ti 2:10 For this reason I endure all things for the sake of those who are chosen, so that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus and with it eternal glory.

Mat 7:13 "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. 14 "For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.
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Mat 22:14 For many be called, but few are chosen.

So your saying only your Church has been given... Mar 4:11 And He was saying to them, "To you has been given the mystery of the kingdom of God, but those who are outside get everything in parables, 12 so that WHILE SEEING, THEY MAY SEE AND NOT PERCEIVE, AND WHILE HEARING, THEY MAY HEAR AND NOT UNDERSTAND, OTHERWISE THEY MIGHT RETURN AND BE FORGIVEN."

If so.... Be grateful you have what all others seek but do not find....
 

Aunty Jane

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Please advise what JW believe are the Gospel verses that Paul is referring to in Gal 2:2
Opinions are welcome once the verses are identified.
Sorry, but I did already…..what is a “gospel”….it is “good news”…so what is the “good news” that all of Christ’s disciples preached? (Matt 24:14) There was only one…..about the Kingdom of God….what it is…how it comes….when it comes….and what the results will be to the redeemed human race?

What does the Lord’s Prayer mean?
”Thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven”? That is the gospel.
 
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Too late I’m afraid…..and the divisions just keep on increasing….thousands now…so how do we know who to believe?

Sorry, but I did already…..what is a “gospel”….it is “good news”…so what is the “good news” that all of Christ’s disciples preached? (Matt 24:14) There was only one…..about the Kingdom of God….what it is…how it comes….when it comes….and what the results will be to the redeemed human race?

What does the Lord’s Prayer mean?
”Thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven”? That is the gospel.
And the BAD news for JW's is dead ahead!

Matthew 13:49-50
49 So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just, 50 and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be SCREAMING and gnashing of teeth.