Rapture ... soon?

[Dave Watchman]

Not promoting anything. Just in my anticipation of the Lord's soon return ( unlike yours), I sifted through many false manufactured AI claims and came up with one real person that seemed sincere and shared it. I stated that I wasn't sure about it , still ain't; but asked for Pre-Millennials input. I also requested Amillennials to take a hike but obviously they couldn't resist ... and here you are.

We know you're not promoting anything. You just post the video and ask what we think. And we discuss it.

Our first window is sunset in Jerusalem, then midnight in Jerusalem

Six AM eastern time is technically when we're in the window of the "last day", or the second day, the 24th of the Feast of Trumpets, in multiple time zones.

If you saw the Danie Botha video, at the end of the video, the Dutch interviewer, who called himself a Christian, told Danie that he certainly hopes Danie is wrong. That surprised me. It's like he's saying he hopes Jesus is not coming. Like other people on the thread.

This is the event every Christian should be waiting for with eager anticipation. Creation itself is groaning for the revelation of the Sons of God. I wonder if some are actually afraid of it.

In the livestream Joshua was asking to hear from the people what they are thinking, are they eager, are they afraid? Of what will happen in the Rapture? Joshua says he is afraid of heights.

Joshua said the BBC messaged him and asked for his cell #. They want to call him to do a segment on what he will say to the people if there is no rapture. He says he will not be here to do it. He insists, and says he wants to encourage the Christians they will soon be taken and meet their King.

He wants to call a group of people watching from the dark side that does not know the Lord. He said for awhile it was OK and they could be comfortable in that position. He wants to tell them it is not too late for them to be the prodical sons.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Well, Trump wrapped up his United Nations address—big surprise, no ‘7-year peace plan,’ no great prophetic revelation. Just the same old, tired routine: bragging about himself and puffing up his ego.

And guess what? Still no rapture. Shocking, right?

So, @Ronald David Bruno, @Truth7t7, how about you stop hiding and admit it? You were wrong. You pushed lies, you followed after false prophets, and that makes you one yourselves. You sold people empty promises dressed up as prophecy.

Nothing new under the sun with premillennialism—it just keeps recycling the same failed predictions and broken clocks. How many times do you all need to be proven wrong before you repent?

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Yes, because you do not like your folly being challenged. This is why many have run from Pretrib. They are constantly bring such nonsense to the table yet none of them ever repent for their deception and foolishness.

We'll see if nothing happens will Joshua fess up ... he's going to have to say his billion percent certainty wasn't quite enough. ? 2 more hours till midnight in Jerusalem ... oh but then tomorrow, the shofar blowing event at the Wailing Wall. It's at 11:15 am Jeru time. Set your clock ... you don't want to miss it.

 

[Davidpt]

Well, Trump wrapped up his United Nations address—big surprise, no ‘7-year peace plan,’ no great prophetic revelation. Just the same old, tired routine: bragging about himself and puffing up his ego.

And guess what? Still no rapture. Shocking, right?

So, @Ronald David Bruno, @Truth7t7, how about you stop hiding and admit it? You were wrong. You pushed lies, you followed after false prophets, and that makes you one yourselves. You sold people empty promises dressed up as prophecy.

Nothing new under the sun with premillennialism—it just keeps recycling the same failed predictions and broken clocks. How many times do you all need to be proven wrong before you repent?

Why did you include @Truth7t7? He's neither a Pretribber nor a Premil, not even remotely. He is a Post tribber and Amil just like you are.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

It's like he's saying he hopes Jesus is not coming. Like other people on the thread.

Jesus showing up anytime soon would destroy their views. We are just dealing with mostly Amillennialists here. The Pre-Mills haven't joined in ... hoping ... holding their breath, not wanting toee33l commit. Well, I actually never committed, but am always hopeful. No harm, no foul. I didn't lose sleep. And that is just it, I went about my daily routine ... almost ordered some vitamins online. But then I said, I can wait a couple days. That proves I never really bought it

This is the event every Christian should be waiting for with eager anticipation. Creation itself is groaning for the revelation of the Sons of God. I wonder if some are actually afraid of it.

I've often asked, How much further can this world descend into this abysmal sludge? Apparently it hasn't reached its depth. Beam me up Jesus ... Jesus ... em ... how much longer?
On the the bright side, I can hang in there a few more years

 

[Davidpt]

We'll see if nothing happens will Joshua fess up ... he's going to have to say his billion percent certainty wasn't quite enough. ? 2 more hours till midnight in Jerusalem ... oh but then tomorrow, the shofar blowing event at the Wailing Wall. It's at 11:15 am Jeru time. Set your clock ... you don't want to miss it.

What about all the lives he has damaged? Meaning if it is true that some of his followers sold their cars, trucks, homes, everything, in anticipation of this rapture? At least that is what I heard has been happening in some extreme cases. Don't know whether it's true or not.

 

[Davidpt]

We are just dealing with mostly Amillennialist here. The Pre-Mills haven't joined in ... hoping ... holding their breath, not wantingt commit. Well, I actually never committed, but am always hopeful. No harm, no foul. I didn't lose sleep. And that is just it, I went about my daily routine ... almost ordered some vitamins online. But then I said, I can wait a couple days. That proves I never really bought it

I'm Premil not Amil and I have already chimed in. '. hoping ... holding their breath, not wantingt commit'---does not even remotely describe me. How could it when I already know good and well that the rapture is after great tribulation, and that no one except the Father knows the day or hour of His return, His return involving the rapture? The angels in heaven don't even know in advance the day and hour in question, yet we are to believe there are humans who are light years behind having the insight angels have, that humans can know the day and hour but angels can't? How about this instead? Neither humans nor angels can know the day or hour in advance. Therefore, one shouldn't have been entertaining any of these things to begin with, as if it there was ever this possiblity that this false prophet in question might be right about these things.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Psalm 90.

Verified by my Brave Browser's AI:

The scriptural basis for interpreting a "generation" as approximately 80 years comes primarily from Psalm 90, which states, "The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow". This verse is often cited to suggest that 80 years represents the maximum lifespan for a person, especially when considering strength and vigor. Some interpretations view this as a general rule for human life expectancy, with 70 years being the average and 80 years an exceptional case for those with strong health.

This interpretation is sometimes linked to the concept of a "generation" in biblical prophecy, particularly in discussions surrounding the "fig tree" parable in Luke 21, where some believe the rebirth of Israel in 1948 marks the beginning of a generation that would not pass away until the end times. Proponents of this view argue that adding 80 years to 1948 leads to a conclusion that the generation would end around 2028.

The video guy from this thread said Jesus told him it would be 77 years, from the time that Israel became a nation in 1948, until Jesus comes to do the Exodus.

We'll see soon.

Peaceful Sabbath.

A generation is not the same thing as the average human lifespan. You're making up a definition for the word "generation" that doesn't exist.

 

[WPM]

Well, Trump wrapped up his United Nations address—big surprise, no ‘7-year peace plan,’ no great prophetic revelation. Just the same old, tired routine: bragging about himself and puffing up his ego.

And guess what? Still no rapture. Shocking, right?

So, @Ronald David Bruno, @Truth7t7, how about you stop hiding and admit it? You were wrong. You pushed lies, you followed after false prophets, and that makes you one yourselves. You sold people empty promises dressed up as prophecy.

Nothing new under the sun with premillennialism—it just keeps recycling the same failed predictions and broken clocks. How many times do you all need to be proven wrong before you repent?

No one knows the moment, only the Father. This is for impressionable Pretrib clowns who believe every date-setter. Will they repent for giving this credence?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Why did you include @Truth7t7? He's neither a Pretribber nor a Premil, not even remotely. He is a Post tribber and Amil just like you are.

Look at post #12 in the thread. He seemed to be disagreeing with TribSigns when TribSigns said "Nope" to this idea of someone knowing when the rapture will occur. He responded by saying "Yep" as if he disagreed, but maybe that wasn't his intention and he was actually agreeing with him.

 

[WPM]

A generation is not the same thing as the average human lifespan. You're making up a definition for the word "generation" that doesn't exist.

As Pretrib nonsense has been exposed, they keep moving, extending the duration of a generation in order to fit their false teaching. I've watched it grow from 40 years, to 50 years, the 60 years come to 70 years, to now 80 years. They have to keep doing that in order to sustain their error. It is a joke.

 

[Davidpt]

See you on the 25th then

Are you two even on the same page? I'm pretty sure @Truth7t7 is meaning yep in regards to post #3 not post #1. At least be fair to @Truth7t7 if nothing else. Maybe the misunderstanding began with your post in post #4 since you didn't quote who you were addressing at the time? Which may have given the false impression you were applying that to post #3 rather than post #1? Which is why one should at least quote which post they are addressing at the time. That way there can't be any misunderstandings like this. But of course though, I have pretty decent reading comprehension for the most part, regardless that some might disagree. Therefore, it was easy for me to figure out what may have been happening here.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

As Pretrib nonsense has been exposed, they keep moving, extending the duration of a generation in order to fit their false teaching. I've watched it grow from 40 years, to 50 years, the 60 years come to 70 years, to now 80 years. They have to keep doing that in order to sustain their error. It is a joke.

It's absolutely shameful how they twist scripture to make it say what they want it to say. Some of them also try to create a new definition for the word "after" by acting as if Daniel 9:26 says that the Messiah would be cut off at the end of the 69th week rather than after the 69th week as the text says. Their dishonesty in their treatment of scripture is disgusting. It leads to all this insane speculation that they are prone to do, also.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Are you two even on the same page? I'm pretty sure @Truth7t7 is meaning yep in regards to post #3 not post #1. At least be fair to @Truth7t7 if nothing else. maybe the misunderstanding began with your post in post #4 since you didn't quote who you were addressing at the time. Which may have given the false impression you were applying that post #3 rather than post #1? Which is why should at least quote which post they are addressing at the time. That way there can't be any misunderstandings like this? But of course though, I have pretty decent reading comprehension for the most part, regardless that some might disagree. Therefore, it was easy for me to figure out what may have been happening here.

That's what I think he meant, also, but TribSigns isn't exactly known for his reading comprehension skills. Or common sense. Why would an amil or any post-trib believe in this date-setting pre-trib rapture nonsense?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No one knows the moment, only the Father. This is for impressionable Pretrib clowns who believe every date-setter. Will they repent for giving this credence?

You can see how spiritually immature some of these pretribbers on this forum are. By giving this insane nonsense any credibility, it shows how gullible and lacking in discernment that many of them are. But, I will say this. They are proving why understanding end times doctrine correctly is important. If you don't, it can lead to many crazy things and to people acting irrationally because of their false beliefs.

 

[Dave Watchman]

A generation is not the same thing as the average human lifespan.

You're right, a generation is not the same as the average human lifespan. While a generation is often defined as approximately 1/3 of a lifetime, the average human lifespan is typically around 75 to 80 years, which would make a generation roughly 25 years.

But for the purpose for our discussion here in this thread it is. Because we're talking Biblical context. And what the other poster said about the 100 years from Genesis will not fit the context either.

You're making up a definition for the word "generation" that doesn't exist.

Not really. 25 years, even if adding the number of years between generations, won't fit the script. That might have taken us to 1998.

We're just using the Biblical context of the fig tree generation, so we use numbers from the Bible. And they need to be numbers which are feasible.

It wouldn't make sense to ask David Suzuki, or Bill Nye the Science guy, for a contemporary generational definition.. It was Jesus who said that the specific generation would not pass away, He must have had a Biblical number in mind for the terminus.

We have 3 more years to disprove you interpretation of the matter. We will be outside the Psalm 90 numbers then. Right now we are enjoying living in the sweet spot.

People try to put us down, just because we get around.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You're right, a generation is not the same as the average human lifespan. While a generation is often defined as approximately 1/3 of a lifetime, the average human lifespan is typically around 75 to 80 years, which would make a generation roughly 25 years.

So, why did you relate a generation to Psalm 90:10 then? Or, are you now admitting that you should not have done that?

But for the purpose for our discussion here in this thread it is.

Say what now? It either is or it isn't, in this thread or any other thread.

Because we're talking Biblical context.

LOL. In no Biblical context is a generation defined as the average human lifespan.

And what the other poster said about the 100 years from Genesis will not fit the context either.

Not really. 25 years, even if adding the number of years between generations, won't fit the script. That might have taken us to 1998.

We're just using the Biblical context of the fig tree generation, so we use numbers from the Bible. And they need to be numbers which are feasible.

You can't use a verse that only has to do with the average human lifespan and try to apply it to Matthew 24:34. That is a case of twisting scripture to make it say what you want it to say, which is unacceptable.

It wouldn't make sense to ask David Suzuki, or Bill Nye the Science guy, for a contemporary generational definition.. It was Jesus who said that the specific generation would not pass away, He must have had a Biblical number in mind for the terminus.

If He wanted people to know the specific amount of time involved in that then He would have said so. We are not called to just wildly speculate on things the way pre-tribs tend to do.

We have 3 more years to disprove you interpretation of the matter. We will be outside the Psalm 90 numbers then. Right now we are enjoying living in the sweet spot.

LOL. You are already proven wrong by the fact that you are creating a new definition for the word "generation" that doesn't even exist. You can't just make things up to make scripture say what you want it to say. Have you no shame?

People try to put us down, just because we get around.

I put your doctrine down because it involves the blatant twisting of scripture.

 

[Dave Watchman]

The livestream is good right now at 4:20 Eastern time.

They got Danie Botha on.

He's the guy from the Dutch video.

He's fun to see.

The guy is enthusiastic.

It's worth the wait until they get him to speak.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

What about all the lives he has damaged? Meaning if it is true that some of his followers sold their cars, trucks, homes, everything, in anticipation of this rapture? At least that is what I heard has been happening in some extreme cases. Don't know whether it's true or not.

Jesus told that rich man to sell everything he had and give it to the poor a d follow him. Would it be so terrible? But I guess for those who value life on the scale of monetary possessions - how terrible they will feel.
I still am sitting in my house. I did cash in some silver yesterday just in case He took my wife and left me behind! Lol

 

[WPM]

The livestream is good right now at 4:20 Eastern time.

They got Danie Botha on.

He's the guy from the Dutch video.

He's fun to see.

The guy is enthusiastic.

It's worth the wait until they get him to speak.

And then like previous false prophets they will say Jesus came spiritually. This is a circus appealing to gullible Premils.