The Antichrist ... or just another false prophet

[Douggg]

The ten horned beast is called a kingdom in Daniel so it is still a kingdom in Rev 13.

The beast coming out of the sea in Revelation 13:1-2 is a kingdom.

The wounded but healed head in Revelation 13:3-8 is a person - the beast-king.

 

[The Light]

Nimrod was the great grandson of Noah. Long gone.

Revelation 17
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

Isaiah 14 does not mention Nimrod.

The entire Bible does not mention rapture.

 

[The Light]

I dont put a lot of emphasis on UN etc. I think we've a way to go before Rev 17.

Revelation 6
2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

I see Isaiah 14, more a type of Satan than Nimrod. We have very little info on Nimrod. I agree that the seven heads of Rev 17 refers to the original 10 from Dan 7.24 less the three, plus the little horn being the eight. He belongs to the seven and is going to destruction..

Satan is not mentioned in Isaiah 14.

Isaiah 14
4 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!

5 The Lord hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers.

6 He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth.

7 The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.

8 Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us.

 

[ewq1938]

The beast coming out of the sea in Revelation 13:1-2 is a kingdom.

The wounded but healed head in Revelation 13:3-8 is a person - the beast-king.

No, the heads are mountains, Rev 17. The only beast king is the false prophet who is leader and prophet like Jesus was.

 

[ewq1938]

The entire Bible does not mention rapture.

Wrong. The bible mentions rapture many times using the Greek word for a rapture, harpazo. You need to study the original language to know this. Only studying in English will not provide enough information.

 

[Douggg]

No, the heads are mountains, Rev 17. The only beast king is the false prophet who is leader and prophet like Jesus was.

The 7 heads represent 7 mountains of where the woman resides. Revelation 17:9

The 7 heads also represent 7 kings. Revelation 17:10

 

[Dan Clarkston]

If Trump really had a spine.... He'd shut down the UN which he has every right to do since it's a national security threat to our nation.

It's on US soil so we have the right to shut er down and tell those racist Jew hating pigs to go meet someplace else

 

[ewq1938]

The 7 heads represent 7 mountains of where the woman resides. Revelation 17:9

The 7 hears also represent 7 kings. Revelation 17:10

Other manuscripts do not say the mountains are also the mostly dead and gone consecutive kings of mostly the past. The KJV does not support that. Obviously a man is not also a mountain and if a man is dead he cannot be part of an end times kingdom so why believe in that?

 

[The Light]

Wrong. The bible mentions rapture many times using the Greek word for a rapture, harpazo. You need to study the original language to know this. Only studying in English will not provide enough information.

Thanks for proving the point I was making when I addressed Douggg.

 

[Douggg]

Other manuscripts do not say the mountains are also the mostly dead and gone consecutive kings of mostly the past. The KJV does not support that. Obviously a man is not also a mountain and if a man is dead he cannot be part of an end times kingdom so why believe in that?

The seven kings are not represented by seven mountains, but by the seven heads.

The seven heads represent seven kings.

 

[ewq1938]

The seven kings are not represented by seven mountains, but by the seven heads.

The heads are representative of mountains according to Rev 17.

The seven heads represent seven kings.

Nope:

Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

 

[Douggg]

The heads are representative of mountains according to Rev 17.

The seven heads...
1. represent seven mountains in Revelation 17:9
2. represent seven kings in Revelation 17:10.

In Revelation 13:3, one of the seven heads - i.e. one of the kings -appeared as it were wounded unto death, his deadly wound was healed. his does not apply to a mountain, but to a king.

3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

 

[ewq1938]

The seven heads...
1. represent seven mountains in Revelation 17:9
2. represent seven kings in Revelation 17:10.

The heads cannot be represented by two different things. Only one of them is correct. I have explained many times that the beast has 7 heads all at the same time while the 7-8 kings are consecutive and DO NOT exist at the same time except the last two but at no time are there 7 living kings at the same time out of the 8 kings mentioned in Rev 17.

That is proof the 7 heads cannot be the 7 kings.

 

[Brakelite]

The identity of the true Antichrist has been known and exposed for 400 years. No need to look for another who couldn't possibly fulfil all the criteria that prophecy demands of the position.

 

[Douggg]

The heads cannot be represented by two different things

You stated it backwards. The heads are not represented by two different things. The heads represent two different things.

I have explained many times that the beast has 7 heads all at the same time while the 7-8 kings are consecutive and DO NOT exist at the same time except the last two but at no time are there 7 living kings at the same time out of the 8 kings mentioned in Rev 17.

Regarding the heads as kings, Revelation 17, Revelation 12, Revelation 13 cover three distinct periods.

Revelation 17 at the time of John, 1st century
Revelation 12 is the final 7 years before Jesus returns
Revelation 13 is the final 42 months before Jesus returns.

The seven heads do not have crowns on them in Revelation 17, 1st century, at the time of John, because the prophecy of the seven kings is incomplete at that time. King 7 was still future of John's time.

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. (a short space of 42 months)

The seven heads do have crowns on them in Revelation 12, at the start of the 7 years before Jesus's return. Because King 7 will have come to power, completing the prophecy of the 7 kings.

The seven heads again do not have crowns on them in Revelation 13, with 42 months before Jesus's return. Because King 7 will have been killed, ending the prophecy of the 7 kings.

King 7 then comes back to life to become King 8, the beast (the beast king of Revelation 17:11). The beast king will be empowered by Satan, the scarlet colored beast of Revelation 17:3. Read Revelation 13:4.

 

[Davy]

Davy, the beast and false prophet are not roles played by Satan. They are three different individuals - the beast, the false prophet, Satan.

Revelation 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

Once again, you fail to understand that NO flesh-born man is judged and sentenced to the future "lake of fire" until AFTER Christ's future 1,000 years reign of Rev.20. So how can the 'beast' and 'false prophet' be flesh men, because they go into the "lake of fire" PRIOR to the 1,000 years? You're just not thinking.

 

[Douggg]

Once again, you fail to understand that NO flesh-born man is judged and sentenced to the future "lake of fire" until AFTER Christ's future 1,000 years reign of Rev.20. So how can the 'beast' and 'false prophet' be flesh men, because they go into the "lake of fire" PRIOR to the 1,000 years? You're just not thinking.

The number of the beast is the number of a man.

Revelation 13:8 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

The beast and the false prophet are unique.

They will be cast into a lake of fire at Jesus's return.

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

A thousand years later...

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

 

[Davy]

The number of the beast is the number of a man.

Revelation 13:8 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

The orthodox Jews have a system of Occult Mysticism called the Zohar and a numerology system called Gematria. They took every letter of the Hebrew alphabet and assigned a number value to it. If you ever heard of the book called The Bible Code, that is nothing but occult numerology, speculation using numbers, just as the Zohar system is, and never was a part of God's Word. So when someone tries to say the 666 number at the end of Revelation 13 is 'unique', etc., they are only being played by Jewish occultists.

The real meaning of the number 666 given for a 'man' at the end of Rev.13 simply is about the time when the coming Antichrist is to be revealed at the end of this world. He comes on the 6th Seal, the 6th Trumpet, and the 6th Vial, i.e., 666. And since that coming Antichrist will be Satan himself, on earth, in plain sight, working great signs and miracles while claiming to be God The Christ, Satan also has the image of 'man'. God in Isaiah 14 even calls Lucifer 'a man'. Even the meaning of Archangel Gabriel's name is 'man... of God'.

Dan 9:21
21 Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation.
KJV

 

[Douggg]

And since that coming Antichrist will be Satan himself, on earth, in plain sight, working great signs and miracles while claiming to be God The Christ,

No, the Antichrist will be a human who becomes the beast-king. Satan, the dragon, will empower him, Revelation 13:4

Revelation 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

 

[ewq1938]

The heads represent two different things.

That's also wrong. Something cannot represent two things. I already explained how it is impossible that 7 dead kings can rise to power in the end times. The heads are mountains, not dead kings.