What happened to the 10 toes in Daniel 2?

[Wish-it]

What 7 year period would that be pray tell?

To avoid a hornets nest at this time, I will leave it to your imagination.

 

[Brakelite]

To avoid a hornets nest at this time, I will leave it to your imagination.

From my perspective of scripture, the imagination is the only place it could be found. There. Hornets loose. Sorry.

 

[Brakelite]

What happened to the 10 toes in Daniel 2?​

they are still connected to the feet.

More truth in that than appears.

 

[CTK]

More truth in that than appears.

Just a thought here to consider....

In the Book of Daniel, as well as in Revelation, God will often use different symbols for the same entity, power, or kingdom in order to bring out different characteristics and attributes. This can clearly be seen in Daniel when God uses the 4 different parts of a man and 4 different metal types to symbolize the 4 kingdoms He will bring out of the sea. Then, in chapter 7 and 8, He will use both wild animals and domesticated animals to reflect those same kingdoms.


So, do you think He just might be using this same method in Daniel for the 10 toes? (and of course you already understand that this is my opinion, but that doesn't matter). Please consider the following:

1) in chapter 2, He will identify the 10 toes that sit at the end of the feet within the pagan Roman Empire,
2) in chapter 7, He will now refer to them as 10 horns (powers) that COME OUT of the 4th beast kingdom of pagan Rome,
3) also later in chapter 7, He will refer to these same 10 toes / 10 horns as 10 kings, but now, they are no longer COMING OUT of pagan Rome, but they are sitting on top of the beast. Progression?
4) and there is one final symbolic transition that God will reveal to us... but that cannot be mentioned yet because unless one sees and discovers how these 10 toes move throughout the 4th kingdom, there is absolutely no way anyone would accept the 4th symbol.

Any thoughts?

 

[Brakelite]

Just a thought here to consider....

In the Book of Daniel, as well as in Revelation, God will often use different symbols for the same entity, power, or kingdom in order to bring out different characteristics and attributes. This can clearly be seen in Daniel when God uses the 4 different parts of a man and 4 different metal types to symbolize the 4 kingdoms He will bring out of the sea. Then, in chapter 7 and 8, He will use both wild animals and domesticated animals to reflect those same kingdoms.


So, do you think He just might be using this same method in Daniel for the 10 toes? (and of course you already understand that this is my opinion, but that doesn't matter). Please consider the following:

1) in chapter 2, He will identify the 10 toes that sit at the end of the feet within the pagan Roman Empire,
2) in chapter 7, He will now refer to them as 10 horns (powers) that COME OUT of the 4th beast kingdom of pagan Rome,
3) also later in chapter 7, He will refer to these same 10 toes / 10 horns as 10 kings, but now, they are no longer COMING OUT of pagan Rome, but they are sitting on top of the beast. Progression?
4) and there is one final symbolic transition that God will reveal to us... but that cannot be mentioned yet because unless one sees and discovers how these 10 toes move throughout the 4th kingdom, there is absolutely no way anyone would accept the 4th symbol.

Any thoughts?

3 of the original 10 that grew from the 4th beast were uprooted by the little horn, the papacy, and ceased to exist. Thus the ten toes which are destroyed at the second coming are not the same as the 10 horns.

 

[Wish-it]

From my perspective of scripture, the imagination is the only place it could be found. There. Hornets loose. Sorry.

Hang on. Just looking for spray.

 

[CTK]

3 of the original 10 that grew from the 4th beast were uprooted by the little horn, the papacy, and ceased to exist. Thus the ten toes which are destroyed at the second coming are not the same as the 10 horns.

Well, you are certainly right about the 3 being uprooted by the papacy. I would ask that you might consider the timing of this event though...And, should you have an interest in hearing the whole story, I would be happy to send you an author's copy (free) of my commentary on Daniel. Send me a private message with your mailing information or PO Box or any other confidential mailing address like your church, etc.

But getting back to your response, yes, the papacy is indeed the culprit.... but if you do not mind, I would ask that you focus on the "progression" of the 10 toes - that is the key. These are not end time events.... thanks.

 

[quietthinker]

More truth in that than appears.

 

[Davy]

The Ezek 38,39 chapters are interesting in that various phrases used in the chapters are repeated in Zechariah and also Rev 16. Ie Ezek 38.19-23, Zech 14.1-3, Rev 16.17-21. Each of them indicate similar events including the Lords return, suggesting they are three versions of the same period. Im also considering the view, that these events will maybe be more localised to the middle east, and what effect will they have on much of the rest of the world.

Well bear with me on this, something I've tried and tried to get brethren to do Bible history study on, is when God split old Israel into two separate kingdoms per 1 Kings 11 forward, and scattered the ten northern tribe kingdom out of the holy land first, leaving the Jews of the southern kingdom in the land. That began the separation of TWO Israelite nations, because Ezekiel 37, the previous Ezekiel Chapter, let us know that when its events happen, Israel shall no longer be "two nations"...

Ezek 37:21-22
21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
KJV


After God split old Israel, the label "house of Israel" became applied only... to the ten northern tribe "kingdom of Israel" which God created in 1 Kings 11, giving Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim to be king of Israel over ten tribes. The southern kingdom was called the "kingdom of Judah", or "house of Judah", and those terms are even written in The New Testament of Hebrews 8 & 10 which quoted the Old Testament prophet Jeremiah.

That is a very, very important Biblical matter, because it means when Lord Jesus said He was not sent but unto the lost sheep of the "house of Israel", He was actually speaking about the scattered ten tribes of Israel that had migrated out of their Assyrian captivity to new lands, and there they would receive Him and The Gospel. And that was actually prophecy God first gave to Jacob, that his seed would become "a nation, and a COMPANY OF NATIONS," per Genesis 35, and later in Genesis 48 that Ephraim's seed would become "a multitude of nations". It's about the establishing of the Western Christian Nations, where the majority of the lost sheep of the "house of Israel" wound up.

In case it hasn't hit you yet, that's about Christ's Church, along with believing Gentiles with them in those new lands.

Now apply the events of Ezekiel 38 about the battle Christ will fight on the "day of the Lord", the last day of this world. It is a prophecy not ONLY about the middle east nation of Israel, but also a prophecy involving the western Christian nations also, where the majority of the ten tribe "house of Israel" wound up. This is why Ezekiel 38 also mentions about the Israel that dwells securely, the land of unwalled villages. The middle east nation of Israel has many... walls, and definitely does not dwell securely, because it is constantly being attacked by radical Islam.

Thus there are TWO ISRAELS to consider in those Ezekiel 37 thru 39 Chapters.

 

[Jay Ross]

Ezek 37:21-22
21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
KJV

Sadly, the contextual accuracy of these two verses is still leading many astray. This is how i understand these two verses with a couple of small changes to the existing translations: -

Ezekiel 37:21-23: - 21 "Then say to them, 'Thus says the Lord God: "Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own fertile field; 22 and I will make them one nation on the earth, based upon the religion of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again. 23 They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned and will cleanse them. Then they shall be My people, and I will be their God. ​

​

No where in this above passage does it speak of the Nation of Israel being gathered together in one place upon the face of the earth as many believe must happen, but rather, as Jesus foretold in the Parable of the Sower, that the Israelites will be scattered in their own fertile soil/field when God gathers them to Himself throughout the whole earth so that they can be a blessing to all of the earth who will also join them in God's fertile soil/field.

Shalom

PS: Please not that I have used the NKJV as the basis of the scriptures that I have quoted above with three subtle changes to the context of how these verses are understood.

 

[Brakelite]

Well, you are certainly right about the 3 being uprooted by the papacy. I would ask that you might consider the timing of this event though...And, should you have an interest in hearing the whole story, I would be happy to send you an author's copy (free) of my commentary on Daniel. Send me a private message with your mailing information or PO Box or any other confidential mailing address like your church, etc.

But getting back to your response, yes, the papacy is indeed the culprit.... but if you do not mind, I would ask that you focus on the "progression" of the 10 toes - that is the key. These are not end time events.... thanks.

So my immediate thoughts are, yes, certainly there is a progression or growth, of those ten horns. Some things I think are important is that
A. although they didn't all arise simultaneously, (thinking back upon the actual history), they certainly did rule contemporaneously.
B. It wasn't until they had all matured that the 3 were uprooted.
C. Verse 12 informed Daniel that the rest of the beasts, they being Babylon, Medo-Persia, and Greece, all lost their dominion, yet in some way survived and continued in some form. So while they lost political power, a part of them, I believe their pagan ideology, continued to survive and made an impact on the trajectory of life of the beast in which they found a home... That being the first beast of Revelation 13, brings the papacy. I believe you had a post quoting historians remarking powerfully on that very thing, how the Catholic church embraced and adopted pagan practises and traditions, incorporating them into Catholic ritual and maybe even canon law. Don't quite me on that last bit though, but it wouldn't surprise me. I see it this way.
The beast of Revelation 13 appeared like a leopard. The Leopard was Greece. Thus it has spots. Camouflage. Hard to detect it's true character. As scripture says,
“Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil. ”
Jeremiah 13:23 KJV

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That tells me the appearance of the Catholic church may change, like from the perceived view of the church during Vatican 1 council, and the perceived change at Vatican 2. But it was only in appearance. The heart of Catholicism never changed. Deception.
That's the Greek component of the sea beast, coupled with Greek philosophy, a beast given to deception. Don't go by appearances.
Now for the Medo-Persian part, the feet of the bear. In fact, I think this section deserves a thread on its own. See

The Real Bear in End-time Prophecy

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[Davy]

Sadly, the contextual accuracy of these two verses is still leading many astray. This is how i understand these two verses with a couple of small changes to the existing translations: -

​

Sadly, GOD HAS SPIRITUALLY BLINDED... the MAJORITY OF JEWS away from understanding much of His Word today. And it looks like YOU are in that category, since you cannot even grasp that simple Ezekiel 37 Chapter prophecy which is STILL FUTURE TO US.

 

[Jay Ross]

Sadly, GOD HAS SPIRITUALLY BLINDED... the MAJORITY OF JEWS away from understanding much of His Word today. And it looks like YOU are in that category, since you cannot even grasp that simple Ezekiel 37 Chapter prophecy which is STILL FUTURE TO US.

Another false argument by attacking the writer of the message rather than commenting on the message presented.

Yes, I agree with you that the Jews have a particular bias centred around their understanding of the "Promised Land being given to them as a forever promise." This bias has led to an understanding that the Israelites will be "planted" back in the "Land of Israel," whereas the Hebrew word translated as "land" has the meaning of "soil" which gives a very different metaphorical understanding.

Davy you can hold on tightly to the poorly transcribed contextual understanding of the Hebrew Text. I for my part see that the Ezkiel passage in the Hebrew presents a very different picture which tells us that God will Gather the Nation of Israel to Himself and will plant them in His fertile soil/field where they are living scattered throughout the whole earth so that they will become a blessing to all the peoples of the erth who also establish their presence with the same fertile soil/field.

Now you can give what I post a fleeting glance and then revert to you own private understanding which bears little to no resemblance to God's prophetic words in this particular case.

Goodbye

 

[JLB]

So what happend to the 10 toes?

‘They are destroyed when Jesus returns.

 

[CTK]

‘They are destroyed when Jesus returns.

Thanks for your thought. Do you have any thoughts on who they are, when they came to be, what is their purpose within God's prophecies? Why are they destroyed? Thanks.

 

[CTK]

So my immediate thoughts are, yes, certainly there is a progression or growth, of those ten horns. Some things I think are important is that

The Real Bear in End-time Prophecy.

Well, you certainly have a very good understanding of Daniel. Please find below a reflective narrative from my commentary on Daniel within chapter 7. This is just a small part of the discussion of chapter 7 and there is so much more... again, there is only so much one can mention within this brief post... Please consider getting the commentary - free or otherwise.

Reflective Narrative:​

From Toes to Horns to Kings: how the “ten” moves through history​

When Daniel first sees the statue (Daniel 2), the fourth kingdom stands on feet of iron mixed with clay. That picture comes just before the Stone strikes—not to erase God’s people, but to separate and send His saving work into the world (Dan 2:34). After the cross, that separation becomes clear. Among Israel, some hearts are soft—like potter’s clay—and they receive Jesus (the Potter). Others are hardened—like ceramic clay—and they refuse / reject Him. The soft clay becomes the first witnesses (Apostles); the hardened clay resists (Acts 13:46; Rom 11:7–10), and they continue in their pre-cross Jewish ways. In AD 70 Jerusalem falls, and temple-centered worship gives way to rabbinic Judaism, now traveling a path apart from the Messiah.

Why, then, do ten toes become ten horns when Daniel looks again in chapter 7? Because the story has moved from confinement to mission. Under pagan Rome, God’s truth and people stood “pressed” within iron feet (the 4th kingdom was not constructed of iron and clay, but only iron with the clay within it that represented His people captive within the Roman empire). With the cross and the risen Lord’s commission, that same “ten” reality—God’s Ten Words—goes out with power as the gospel runs into the Gentile world. Toes fit a body that’s standing still; horns fit a creature that moves and exerts power. In other words, the Ten Commandments don’t vanish in Christ; they become the recognized shape of a holy life among those who hold “the word of God and the testimony of Jesus” (Rev 12:17; 14:12).

At first the church looks and sounds unmistakably Jewish-Christian—rooted in Scripture, preaching Jesus, living the commandments (10 horns) in love. Over the next centuries it grows quickly. Then comes imperial favor. With Constantine, Christianity is legalized, organized, and soon prestigious. After pagan Rome falls in AD 476 (Dan 7:11), a new public power rises—Christian in name, but increasingly mixed with the customs and control-habits of the old empire (the Roman Christian Church).

Daniel 7 shows what happens next. From the fourth beast spring ten horns, and after them comes a little horn, different from the rest—loud, boastful, and bent on remaking what God has given (Dan 7:8, 20–25). In this reading, that little horn (papacy) pictures papal Rome: a religio-political system that appropriates the “ten” and wields them to rule consciences. That’s why Daniel can also call them ten kings (Dan 7:24). What began as God’s living words shaping a redeemed people becomes, in corrupted hands, a set of royal edicts to enforce. The “ten” are no longer simply witnessed; they are weaponized, and the little horn will demand how these 10 commandments will be obeyed. The little horn will wield them like a sharp sword ensuring that any who disobey them (as dictated and interpreted by the little horn) will be cut down.

Daniel’s detail that the little horn uproots three is telling. Here it points to a practical overthrow of the first three commandments—the ones that guard who God is and how He is to be honored. Exalting a human office in the place of God distorts the first. The pope will declare himself God on earth, infallible, able to forgive sin – thus taking the place of the One identified in the first commandment. They will literally remove the command against images and making idols of any kind. This is a direct assault and corruption of His second commandment. They will also corrupt the third commandment is such a gross way. This commandment does not mean to “not take the LORD’s name in vain” to mere speech. It completely ignores its heart: bearing God’s name in truth—reflecting His character as Jesus did (Exod 20:3–7). It is conducting / carrying oneself no differently that Jesus – if you see Me, you have seen the Father. Where the church misrepresents Christ, it breaks the third, even while claiming His name. The atrocities, murders and tortures they have committed over the 1500 years cannot be overstated – and mostly in the name of Christ.

Step back and the movement becomes simple to see:

​

In Daniel 2, the ten toes are present but confined under iron.​

In Daniel 7, the ten horns show the “ten” now active as the gospel goes out after the cross.​

Later in Daniel 7, the ten kings reveal a tragic turn: the “ten” co-opted by a counterfeit power to control rather than to bless.​

Yet God’s purpose doesn’t fail. The Stone still becomes a mountain that fills the earth (Dan 2:35) – at His second coming, He will judge the world and all of man’s kingdoms will be destroyed. Christ will gather His people who “keep the commandments of God and hold to the faith of Jesus” (Rev 14:12). And even as a counterfeit system rises, the Lord preserves a faithful witness—first from Jewish believers to the nations, and finally, in His time, through a corporate opening of eyes of His people (the 144,000) that sends a renewed remnant to preach Christ to both Jew and Gentile for the final 3.5 years before His return. Salvation remains the same for everyone: by grace through faith in Jesus, with a life that gladly walks in God’s good commands. So, for all who are awaiting His return, there will / must be 3.5 years where these 144,000 must preach the Word of God and the Testimony of Jesus to the world - then the Messiah (all of this is provided in the commentary, and is seemlessly connected to Revelation).

​

 

[Brakelite]

Well, you certainly have a very good understanding of Daniel. Please find below a reflective narrative from my commentary on Daniel within chapter 7. This is just a small part of the discussion of chapter 7 and there is so much more... again, there is only so much one can mention within this brief post... Please consider getting the commentary - free or otherwise.

Reflective Narrative:​

From Toes to Horns to Kings: how the “ten” moves through history​

When Daniel first sees the statue (Daniel 2), the fourth kingdom stands on feet of iron mixed with clay. That picture comes just before the Stone strikes—not to erase God’s people, but to separate and send His saving work into the world (Dan 2:34). After the cross, that separation becomes clear. Among Israel, some hearts are soft—like potter’s clay—and they receive Jesus (the Potter). Others are hardened—like ceramic clay—and they refuse / reject Him. The soft clay becomes the first witnesses (Apostles); the hardened clay resists (Acts 13:46; Rom 11:7–10), and they continue in their pre-cross Jewish ways. In AD 70 Jerusalem falls, and temple-centered worship gives way to rabbinic Judaism, now traveling a path apart from the Messiah.

Why, then, do ten toes become ten horns when Daniel looks again in chapter 7? Because the story has moved from confinement to mission. Under pagan Rome, God’s truth and people stood “pressed” within iron feet (the 4th kingdom was not constructed of iron and clay, but only iron with the clay within it that represented His people captive within the Roman empire). With the cross and the risen Lord’s commission, that same “ten” reality—God’s Ten Words—goes out with power as the gospel runs into the Gentile world. Toes fit a body that’s standing still; horns fit a creature that moves and exerts power. In other words, the Ten Commandments don’t vanish in Christ; they become the recognized shape of a holy life among those who hold “the word of God and the testimony of Jesus” (Rev 12:17; 14:12).

At first the church looks and sounds unmistakably Jewish-Christian—rooted in Scripture, preaching Jesus, living the commandments (10 horns) in love. Over the next centuries it grows quickly. Then comes imperial favor. With Constantine, Christianity is legalized, organized, and soon prestigious. After pagan Rome falls in AD 476 (Dan 7:11), a new public power rises—Christian in name, but increasingly mixed with the customs and control-habits of the old empire (the Roman Christian Church).

Daniel 7 shows what happens next. From the fourth beast spring ten horns, and after them comes a little horn, different from the rest—loud, boastful, and bent on remaking what God has given (Dan 7:8, 20–25). In this reading, that little horn (papacy) pictures papal Rome: a religio-political system that appropriates the “ten” and wields them to rule consciences. That’s why Daniel can also call them ten kings (Dan 7:24). What began as God’s living words shaping a redeemed people becomes, in corrupted hands, a set of royal edicts to enforce. The “ten” are no longer simply witnessed; they are weaponized, and the little horn will demand how these 10 commandments will be obeyed. The little horn will wield them like a sharp sword ensuring that any who disobey them (as dictated and interpreted by the little horn) will be cut down.

Daniel’s detail that the little horn uproots three is telling. Here it points to a practical overthrow of the first three commandments—the ones that guard who God is and how He is to be honored. Exalting a human office in the place of God distorts the first. The pope will declare himself God on earth, infallible, able to forgive sin – thus taking the place of the One identified in the first commandment. They will literally remove the command against images and making idols of any kind. This is a direct assault and corruption of His second commandment. They will also corrupt the third commandment is such a gross way. This commandment does not mean to “not take the LORD’s name in vain” to mere speech. It completely ignores its heart: bearing God’s name in truth—reflecting His character as Jesus did (Exod 20:3–7). It is conducting / carrying oneself no differently that Jesus – if you see Me, you have seen the Father. Where the church misrepresents Christ, it breaks the third, even while claiming His name. The atrocities, murders and tortures they have committed over the 1500 years cannot be overstated – and mostly in the name of Christ.

Step back and the movement becomes simple to see:

​

In Daniel 2, the ten toes are present but confined under iron.​

In Daniel 7, the ten horns show the “ten” now active as the gospel goes out after the cross.​

Later in Daniel 7, the ten kings reveal a tragic turn: the “ten” co-opted by a counterfeit power to control rather than to bless.​

Yet God’s purpose doesn’t fail. The Stone still becomes a mountain that fills the earth (Dan 2:35) – at His second coming, He will judge the world and all of man’s kingdoms will be destroyed. Christ will gather His people who “keep the commandments of God and hold to the faith of Jesus” (Rev 14:12). And even as a counterfeit system rises, the Lord preserves a faithful witness—first from Jewish believers to the nations, and finally, in His time, through a corporate opening of eyes of His people (the 144,000) that sends a renewed remnant to preach Christ to both Jew and Gentile for the final 3.5 years before His return. Salvation remains the same for everyone: by grace through faith in Jesus, with a life that gladly walks in God’s good commands. So, for all who are awaiting His return, there will / must be 3.5 years where these 144,000 must preach the Word of God and the Testimony of Jesus to the world - then the Messiah (all of this is provided in the commentary, and is seemlessly connected to Revelation).

​

Some interesting thoughts there. I don't agree with the timeline or some of the applications, but interesting nevertheless, and shows some signs of thoughtful study.

 

[Brakelite]

Well, you certainly have a very good understanding of Daniel. Please find below a reflective narrative from my commentary on Daniel within chapter 7. This is just a small part of the discussion of chapter 7 and there is so much more... again, there is only so much one can mention within this brief post... Please consider getting the commentary - free or otherwise.

Reflective Narrative:​

From Toes to Horns to Kings: how the “ten” moves through history​

When Daniel first sees the statue (Daniel 2), the fourth kingdom stands on feet of iron mixed with clay. That picture comes just before the Stone strikes—not to erase God’s people, but to separate and send His saving work into the world (Dan 2:34). After the cross, that separation becomes clear. Among Israel, some hearts are soft—like potter’s clay—and they receive Jesus (the Potter). Others are hardened—like ceramic clay—and they refuse / reject Him. The soft clay becomes the first witnesses (Apostles); the hardened clay resists (Acts 13:46; Rom 11:7–10), and they continue in their pre-cross Jewish ways. In AD 70 Jerusalem falls, and temple-centered worship gives way to rabbinic Judaism, now traveling a path apart from the Messiah.

Why, then, do ten toes become ten horns when Daniel looks again in chapter 7? Because the story has moved from confinement to mission. Under pagan Rome, God’s truth and people stood “pressed” within iron feet (the 4th kingdom was not constructed of iron and clay, but only iron with the clay within it that represented His people captive within the Roman empire). With the cross and the risen Lord’s commission, that same “ten” reality—God’s Ten Words—goes out with power as the gospel runs into the Gentile world. Toes fit a body that’s standing still; horns fit a creature that moves and exerts power. In other words, the Ten Commandments don’t vanish in Christ; they become the recognized shape of a holy life among those who hold “the word of God and the testimony of Jesus” (Rev 12:17; 14:12).

At first the church looks and sounds unmistakably Jewish-Christian—rooted in Scripture, preaching Jesus, living the commandments (10 horns) in love. Over the next centuries it grows quickly. Then comes imperial favor. With Constantine, Christianity is legalized, organized, and soon prestigious. After pagan Rome falls in AD 476 (Dan 7:11), a new public power rises—Christian in name, but increasingly mixed with the customs and control-habits of the old empire (the Roman Christian Church).

Daniel 7 shows what happens next. From the fourth beast spring ten horns, and after them comes a little horn, different from the rest—loud, boastful, and bent on remaking what God has given (Dan 7:8, 20–25). In this reading, that little horn (papacy) pictures papal Rome: a religio-political system that appropriates the “ten” and wields them to rule consciences. That’s why Daniel can also call them ten kings (Dan 7:24). What began as God’s living words shaping a redeemed people becomes, in corrupted hands, a set of royal edicts to enforce. The “ten” are no longer simply witnessed; they are weaponized, and the little horn will demand how these 10 commandments will be obeyed. The little horn will wield them like a sharp sword ensuring that any who disobey them (as dictated and interpreted by the little horn) will be cut down.

Daniel’s detail that the little horn uproots three is telling. Here it points to a practical overthrow of the first three commandments—the ones that guard who God is and how He is to be honored. Exalting a human office in the place of God distorts the first. The pope will declare himself God on earth, infallible, able to forgive sin – thus taking the place of the One identified in the first commandment. They will literally remove the command against images and making idols of any kind. This is a direct assault and corruption of His second commandment. They will also corrupt the third commandment is such a gross way. This commandment does not mean to “not take the LORD’s name in vain” to mere speech. It completely ignores its heart: bearing God’s name in truth—reflecting His character as Jesus did (Exod 20:3–7). It is conducting / carrying oneself no differently that Jesus – if you see Me, you have seen the Father. Where the church misrepresents Christ, it breaks the third, even while claiming His name. The atrocities, murders and tortures they have committed over the 1500 years cannot be overstated – and mostly in the name of Christ.

Step back and the movement becomes simple to see:

​

In Daniel 2, the ten toes are present but confined under iron.​

In Daniel 7, the ten horns show the “ten” now active as the gospel goes out after the cross.​

Later in Daniel 7, the ten kings reveal a tragic turn: the “ten” co-opted by a counterfeit power to control rather than to bless.​

Yet God’s purpose doesn’t fail. The Stone still becomes a mountain that fills the earth (Dan 2:35) – at His second coming, He will judge the world and all of man’s kingdoms will be destroyed. Christ will gather His people who “keep the commandments of God and hold to the faith of Jesus” (Rev 14:12). And even as a counterfeit system rises, the Lord preserves a faithful witness—first from Jewish believers to the nations, and finally, in His time, through a corporate opening of eyes of His people (the 144,000) that sends a renewed remnant to preach Christ to both Jew and Gentile for the final 3.5 years before His return. Salvation remains the same for everyone: by grace through faith in Jesus, with a life that gladly walks in God’s good commands. So, for all who are awaiting His return, there will / must be 3.5 years where these 144,000 must preach the Word of God and the Testimony of Jesus to the world - then the Messiah (all of this is provided in the commentary, and is seemlessly connected to Revelation).

​

Here's my version of the same era...
Post in thread 'Daniel 7 - 10 horns....' Daniel 7 - 10 horns....

 

[CTK]

Here's my version of the same era...
Post in thread 'Daniel 7 - 10 horns....' Daniel 7 - 10 horns....

Thank you for this... I believe this reflects the SDA view of the 10 horns. Unfortunately, they have attempted to secularize the 10 horns as opposed to view the most important prophecies in Daniel through a messianic lens. Daniel is about His first coming and not about the secular conflicts in the post cross period. They have nothing to do with the Messiah's plan of salvation. But the clay within the iron kingdom feet which housed and held captive both His people and His 10 commandments were meant to be released from the symbolic feet and out into the Gentile world. Both the testimony of Jesus and His 10 commandments are His plan to offer salvation to the Gentile world. Please also consider this connects perfectly with the prophecies within chapter 8,9 and 11. Daniel is all about God's plan of salvation for mankind...

These 10 commandments also play a critical role in Revelation. But I am not telling you to accept my interpretation, but I enjoy discussing Daniel with you. God bless always!

 

[Brakelite]

Thank you for this... I believe this reflects the SDA view of the 10 horns. Unfortunately, they have attempted to secularize the 10 horns as opposed to view the most important prophecies in Daniel through a messianic lens. Daniel is about His first coming and not about the secular conflicts in the post cross period. They have nothing to do with the Messiah's plan of salvation. But the clay within the iron kingdom feet which housed and held captive both His people and His 10 commandments were meant to be released from the symbolic feet and out into the Gentile world. Both the testimony of Jesus and His 10 commandments are His plan to offer salvation to the Gentile world. Please also consider this connects perfectly with the prophecies within chapter 8,9 and 11. Daniel is all about God's plan of salvation for mankind...

These 10 commandments also play a critical role in Revelation. But I am not telling you to accept my interpretation, but I enjoy discussing Daniel with you. God bless always!

I agree with you that Daniel is primarily a focus on Christ and His ministry. Daniel 9 in particular exemplifies this. However, one cannot avoid the growth of His kingdom via the gospel in the post apostolic age without making specific mention of the opposition and the counterfeit that the papacy represented, and which the prophecies specifically allude to on many instances.