Can any of you link or share a good argument against FULL preterism?

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Spiritual Israelite

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Do you believe God speaks through mass denominational teachings such as the "Baptist" teaching a future pre-trib rapture and Millennial kingdom on this earth?

Do you believe God speaks through mass denominational teachings such as reformed theologies preterist teachings of 70AD fulfillment in Jerusalems and Roman armies or denial of a future evil human man as being John's (The Beast) in Revelation Chapter 13?

Do you believe God speaks through mass denominational teachings such as reformed theologies denial seen in Revelation Chapter 11 in the (Two Witnesses) being literal prophets returned in physical bodies that are killed and die, laying dead in a literal street in Jerusalem where Jesus was crucified?
No, I don't go by denominational teachings, but what in the world is your point here? Are you trying to defend the idea that God reveals truth to just one person about certain things? That is what I was arguing against. Do you agree that He doesn't do that or not?
 
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The only view I share with preterism is the view that all has been fulfilled. I don’t agree with preterist on when and how it was fulfilled or anything Josephus had to say. Josephus was an obvious fraud.
You have your own brand of full preterism, which isn't any better than what typical full preterists believe because you deny the future blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ who will have the dead in Christ all resurrected from the dead at that time and change us all at the last trumpet to have incorruptible and immortal bodies after which we will be with Him forever in the new heavens and new earth.
 
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Yes the very meaning of preterism

I Agree, Josephus was a Jew and a traitor to his people, he defected during the 66-70AD war as a military commander and joined Romes armies as chief propagandists for the Emperors
Josephus was a double agent working for Rome.
 

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You clearly did not even bother looking at the context of the verse I used to show that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ. He is also called the Spirit of God. Jesus is God. The Father, Son and Spirit are one and Jesus is God, so it's appropriate to say that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God and also the Spirit of Christ.

Romans 8:9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. 10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.

Every mention of "the Spirit" in this passage is a reference to the Holy Spirit. And the Spirit is referenced six times in this passage. Read Romans 8:9 carefully. Paul refers to "the Spirit of Christ" in the exact same context as he refers to "the Spirit of God" in that verse. Are you going to try to tell me that "the Spirit of God" in that verse refers to "love, peace, joy, kindness, goodness, patience etc." in contrast to the spirit of antichrist? It's clearly a reference to the Holy Spirit. Paul is saying in that verse that you are in the Spirit (the Holy Spirit) if the Spirit of God (Holy Spirit) dwells in you, but if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ dwelling in them, then he is not His. So, he clearly referred to the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ in the exact same context there, so he used those terms synonymously.

Notice in verse 10 he refers to Christ being in you. How can Christ be in you except for being in you spiritually? He is in us spiritually by way of the Holy Spirit who is "the Spirit of God" and "the Spirit of Christ".
This is the literal spirit of Christ:
Luk 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

This the Spirit of Christ:
1Pe 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

The spirit of Christ is a PERSON.
The Spirit of Christ is an IT.

The spirit of Christ (literal spirit) is in Christ in heaven.
The Spirit of Christ (it) is in the believer.
 

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You have your own brand of full preterism, which isn't any better than what typical full preterists believe because you deny the future blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ who will have the dead in Christ all resurrected from the dead at that time and change us all at the last trumpet to have incorruptible and immortal bodies after which we will be with Him forever in the new heavens and new earth.
You keep saying your going to die and Jesus told you you’re no never going to die.

Who am I supposed believe, you or Jesus?
 

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If you wish to be taken seriously, Christ calls the two witnesses olive trees and lampstands prophesying a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. What biblical proof texts can you provide to prove they are literally two human beings?
Please Interpret The Words Below In Rev 11
1.) "Dead Bodies"?
2.) "They Stood Upon Their Feet"?
3.) "A Street In A City Where Jesus Was Crucified"?
4.) "A World Making Merry And Exchanging Gifts"?

Waiting?

I Agree 100%, many people pushing the false reformed doctrine regarding the (Two Witnesses) must accept the fact that their doctrine and teaching isn't biblical


Revelation 11:3-12KJV
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
 

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If you wish to be taken seriously, Christ calls the two witnesses olive trees and lampstands prophesying a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. What biblical proof texts can you provide to prove they are literally two human beings?
Zechariah 4:14KJV
14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.
 

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You should read some classic work about full preterism, like The Parousia by Russell, so that you will have a bit more standard knowledge of it (if you want to debate it).
Should we read the book of Mormon and Pearl Of Great Price toooo?

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Daniel 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.
Most preterists positions I've read revolve around Antiochus Epiphanies as being the fulfilment of the prophecies concerning the Antichrist, either in context of the little horn of Daniel 8, or of Daniel 7, or both. Ink order to accomplish this however, they must completely discount the Roman Empire as having anything to do with the prophetic picture, and it's eventual development throughout history, even till the time off the end.
There are a total of six horns that grow out of the he-goat , (which can be established as
A. Alexander
B. Lysimachus
C. Cassander
D. Ptolemy
E. Seleucus
and it is to the 6th that I will now focus our attention.
This 'little horn' was to exceed the greatness of all the preceding horns. Media/Persia "became great" (Daniel 8:4); The he-goat itself was to wax "very great", (Daniel 8:8), but this little horn was to grow and become "exceeding great".( Daniel 8:9).

It is claimed by many, in fact it has almost become standard belief in modern Christian thought, that Antiochus Epiphanes is represented by this little horn. This is based solely on his persecution of the Jews and the desecration of the temple, as is presumed to have taken place upon a reading of the ensuing verses. The problem however is that Antiochus does not meet the requirements of any other specific in the prophecy. (Some refer to him as being the fulfilment of the little horn that grows out of the fourth beast in Daniel 7 also.)
This is particularly popular with the preterist position, but to insist upon this understanding is to wrest the scripture from it's historical setting, for an important point to note is that the 4th beast reaches to the end of time, and is destroyed at the second coming. The view that Antiochus is the little horn restricts the entire book of Daniel to the period of time before Christianity was established.
Let me in detail give my reasons why I first believe Antiochus cannot be the little horn of Daniel 7.
a. Antiochus does not rise after 10 kings. He was the 8th king in the Syrian line of Seleucid kings. Besides, the prophecy calls for 10 kingdoms to exist contemporaneously, not successively.
b. Antiochus belonged to the 3rd empire (Greece) in actual historical sequence from Daniel's time.
c. He was not 'diverse' from any other king.
d. He did not 'pluck up' 3 other kings.
e. He was not 'stouter' than his fellows. His father was known as Antiochus the Great, not Epiphanes.
f. He did not prevail until the end of time, the judgment.
g. The kingdom following was Rome, not the kingdom of the saints.

Reasons why Antiochus cannot be the little horn of Daniel 8.
a. Antiochus was not a horn in his own right. He was of the Seleucid line therefore was a part of one of the four.
b. He did not wax exceeding great. In fact his father was greater, but neither was as great as even Babylon or Media Persia, certainly no greater than Alexander. Yet the prophecy demands that the little horn be greater than any empire before it.
c. He does not fit the time periods. According to Maccabees 1:54,59, and 4:52 Antiochus suppressed the sacrifices exactly 3 years. This fits neither the 1260 days , (times time and half a time,) nor the 2300 days (evenings and mornings of Daniel 8:14). These figures do not compliment one another NOR do they meet the reign of Antiochus.
d. The 2300 days is prophetic. Using the day/year principle established elsewhere as being the standard and norm for interpreting prophetic time periods, it is a literal 2300 years.
Therefore,
And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land. Verse 10
can only refer to the empire of Rome, and thus is the Daniel 8 parallel to not just the 4th beast of Daniel 7, but evolves into the little horn of Daniel 7. That evolution can be seen in the little horn of Daniel 8 where it at first grew horizontally, (South, East, the pleasant land aka Palestine, just as did pagan Rome) but afterwards took on ambitions to overcome heavenly powers through the destruction of the heavenly temple, and ongoing systematic persecution of the church, the trampling into the ground the truths of Christ's ministry in the heavenly sanctuary by doing 2 things...
A. Incorporating into its system of professed worship numerous pagan elements inherited from the 4 previous empires going back to Babylon and
B. Establishing is own priesthood with its own high priest, a system of sacrifice that replaces the sacrifice of Christ, and a system of confession whereby petitioners comes their sins to priests and not to Christ.

Preterism (and futurism for that matter) completely obscure 2000 years of Christian apostasy and the true Antichrist nature of that counterfeit.
 

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No! Full Preterism seeks to read its preconceived doctrine into the Word of God. You do NOT read the NT as it was meant, rather you use the NT to try to force fit your preconceived assumptions and opinions.
Nothing preconceived. If I had something preconceived, it would be dispensationalism, because I grew up in dispensational churches.

It's far more beneficial that I show those reading these forums how FP twist and manipulate the Word of God by proving FROM the Word of God just how distorted FP truly is!
If you want to criticize something, you need to understand it, or else your criticism misses the point.
 

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Should we read the book of Mormon and Pearl Of Great Price toooo?

Smiles!
Yes, if you want to criticize it. If you do not understand the topic, your criticism will be missing the point. Which happens frequently in this thread, generally.

Full preterism is a spectrum of opinions and views, it is not strictly defined like mormonism, so this makes it even harder.

What I say may be different from what IndianaRob or 3Ressurections say. Therefore, I would recommend to read something more standard, like The Parousia (which is free online), to get some holistic picture instead of sourcing your knowledge from just individual posts about this or that verse.
 

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There was no age that ended in 70 AD. Jesus talked about "this age" in contrast to the "age to come" in the sense of this age being temporal when people get married and they die with the age to come being the time when people will no longer get married or die (Luke 20:34-36). So, "this age" refers to this temporal age that we are still living in and not some imaginary age that ended in 70 AD.
Interesting verse and argument.

“The people of this age marry and are given in marriage. But those who are considered worthy of taking part in the age to come and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage, and they can no longer die; for they are like the angels.

I suppose you read it globally - "nobody who will live in the new age will marry" and that Jesus was talking to Pharisees about a future that was/is distant undefined amount of time, so far thousands of years.

But it can be read more properly as focused on the imminent judgement and the end of the age, preached by John the Baptist, Jesus and the apostles. And focused on the elect who lived in the old age of the Mosaic economy, but who were resurrected in the end (consummation) of the age in 70 AD and were made like angels.

These specific people, the ekklésia of the 1st century, will not marry anymore. But we living in the kingdom of God on this earth, we are still being born, marry and have children, while we are in our physical bodies. Obviously.
 
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Yes, if you want to criticize it. If you do not understand the topic, your criticism will be missing the point. Which happens frequently in this thread, generally.

Full preterism is a spectrum of opinions and views, it is not strictly defined like mormonism, so this makes it even harder.

What I say may be different from what IndianaRob or 3Ressurections say. Therefore, I would recommend to read something more standard, like The Parousia (which is free online), to get some holistic picture instead of sourcing your knowledge from just individual posts about this or that verse.
You deny a future bodily resurrection of the believer that has died in faith,you deny a future literal,visible,second comi g of Jesus in the heavens

Your "Full Preterist" beliefs are heretical in my opinion, in complete opposition the the Christian pillars of faith

I have no interest in further dialog in this thread, I'm out of the thread
 

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The obvious problem of course is that other verses tell us that Christ will not come again before the last trumpet sounds at the end of this age.
If you have this super spiritual eye sight then how is it that you don’t see that the first trumpet was the Old Testament and the second trumpet (last trump) is the New Testament?

Num 10:2 Make thee two trumpets of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use them for the calling of the assembly, and for the journeying of the camps
 

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You deny a future bodily resurrection of the believer that has died in faith,you deny a future literal,visible,second comi g of Jesus in the heavens

Your "Full Preterist" beliefs are heretical in my opinion, in complete opposition the the Christian pillars of faith

I have no interest in further dialog in this thread, I'm out of the thread
I deny nothing, because I am in no dogmatic court (like were in the medieval times). I am just sharing what I think is the best reading of the New Testament.

Yes, you like adjectives - false, heretical etc., but these are no real arguments, these are just judgments. You would need to learn more about preterism to argue better or to even have a real dialog, but you are not willing to.
 
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Zechariah 4:14KJV
14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.

How does quoting Zechariah prove the two olive trees and two lampstands are literally two anointed men?

Clearly, you understand that Revelation is written using symbolic language throughout, that's why you interpret the two olive trees and two lampstands as symbolically representing two men. You think you've correctly discerned the symbolism.

We know the candlesticks symbolize the New Covenant Church because we're told as much by John.

Revelation 1:20 (KJV) The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

John is instructed to write seven letters for seven Churches that literally existed at that time. However, the fact that they are seven I believe is representative of the New Covenant Churches throughout this age. The message in the letters is filled with both blessings and warnings. Blessings as each individual Church remains faithful in its work of proclaiming the gospel of the Kingdom of God through the power of the Holy Spirit. Also, warnings if the Church should become an abomination unto God, as Jerusalem of Old did, the warning is that the candlestick would be removed out of its place if there is no repentance found. The light of the Church that does not repent of evil found within would be extinguished. Just as Jerusalem of Old had become an abomination unto God through her spiritual adultery and idolatry and no longer a representation of God for all people. The city had been called Jerusalem the Holy City of God, with the Holy Temple where God could be found. Now unto God the city and Temple are desolate, without the True Light of God.

The purpose for the existence of the Church on earth was to make new faithful disciples for Christ as the gospel is proclaimed unto all the earth and the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven is complete. When Christ ascended up to heaven, He gave gifts to the Church that would enable them to complete this task. "When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men" (Eph. 4:8)

Ephesians 4:11-16 (KJV) And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

The single-minded priority of the Church, left on earth, of which all believers are is to proclaim the gospel of the Kingdom of God, so that the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven is complete! And when that task is completed, time given the Church to accomplish its task shall be no longer, the seventh trumpet will sound, and Christ shall come again.

In his vision Zechariah saw seven candlesticks (lamps), and two olive trees. It's my opinion that the seven pipes to the seven lamps symbolize the oil (Spirit) from the two olive trees (Law & Prophets of Old) that through the gospel and the Spirit would provide the Light of Christ unto the full Church (7) as the Church proclaims the gospel of the Kingdom of God unto every nation of the earth.

Zechariah 4:2-3 (KJV) And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof: And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.

I believe that in the beginning the full Church, represented as seven, was strong and vibrant through the power of the Holy Spirit, remaining faithful even unto death. As time marched on and the power of Christ's Church began to grow, so too did the powers of darkness and evil. But Christ has promised that He would build His Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevent it.

As the end of time approaches the two witnesses symbolized as two olive trees and two lampstands is the Law & Prophets of Old that through the written Word of God continue to provide the Light of God, and two candlesticks (Churches) of the seven remain faithful through the power of the gospel of Christ with the Kingdom of God and the Holy Spirit being proclaimed unto all the earth. Though the Church symbolized near the end of time as two and no longer seven remains strong and faithful unto death by the evil one, her task on earth is finished, the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven complete. For a short time (little season) on earth it appears the Church is dead, no longer bringing Light and Life to the earth. It appears that evil has altogether silenced Her voice in the world. Just when it appears that Satan and his demonic hosts (Gog & Magog) have the victory, the two witnesses hear the voice of God calling them from heaven to come up. They are resurrected immortal & incorruptible as the enemies of God witness them ascend up into the air to be with Christ forevermore.

Thus begins the age of eternity to come to whosoever is saved through the power of the two witnesses that are the Law & Prophets of Old, and the Gospel & Spirit of the New.
 

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How does quoting Zechariah prove the two olive trees and two lampstands are literally two anointed men?
Please Interpret The Words Below In Rev 11
1.) "Dead Bodies"?
2.) "They Stood Upon Their Feet"?
3.) "A Street In A City Where Jesus Was Crucified"?
4.) "A World Making Merry And Exchanging Gifts"?

Waiting?

I Agree 100%, many people pushing the false reformed doctrine regarding the (Two Witnesses) must accept the fact that their doctrine and teaching isn't biblical


Revelation 11:3-12KJV
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
 

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Please Interpret The Words Below In Rev 11
1.) "Dead Bodies"?
2.) "They Stood Upon Their Feet"?
3.) "A Street In A City Where Jesus Was Crucified"?
4.) "A World Making Merry And Exchanging Gifts"?

Waiting?

I Agree 100%, many people pushing the false reformed doctrine regarding the (Two Witnesses) must accept the fact that their doctrine and teaching isn't biblical


Revelation 11:3-12KJV
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

You're deflecting, why? I understand the difficulty you face; you tried to prove from the Bible why you believe the two candlesticks and two olive trees are two men of flesh & blood, but your argument falls flat. He who alleges must prove!
 
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Interesting verse and argument.

“The people of this age marry and are given in marriage. But those who are considered worthy of taking part in the age to come and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage, and they can no longer die; for they are like the angels.

I suppose you read it globally - "nobody who will live in the new age will marry" and that Jesus was talking to Pharisees about a future that was/is distant undefined amount of time, so far thousands of years.

But it can be read more properly as focused on the imminent judgement and the end of the age, preached by John the Baptist, Jesus and the apostles. And focused on the elect who lived in the old age of the Mosaic economy, but who were resurrected in the end (consummation) of the age in 70 AD and were made like angels.

These specific people, the ekklésia of the 1st century, will not marry anymore. But we living in the kingdom of God on this earth, we are still being born, marry and have children, while we are in our physical bodies. Obviously.
You are twisting His words to fit your doctrine. Jesus did not come in 70 AD and there was no end to any age at that time. I know preterists like you refer to the age that you think ended in 70 AD as the old covenant age, but the old covenant was made obsolete by the death of Christ, not what happened in 70 AD.
 
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You're deflecting, why? I understand the difficulty you face; you tried to prove from the Bible why you believe the two candlesticks and two olive trees are two men of flesh & blood, but your argument falls flat. He who alleges must prove!
It's You Who's Running From Answering The Questions Below

Please Interpret The Words Below In Rev 11
1.) "Dead Bodies"?
2.) "They Stood Upon Their Feet"?
3.) "A Street In A City Where Jesus Was Crucified"?
4.) "A World Making Merry And Exchanging Gifts"?

Waiting?

I Agree 100%, many people pushing the false reformed doctrine regarding the (Two Witnesses) must accept the fact that their doctrine and teaching isn't biblical


Revelation 11:3-12KJV
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.