The Antichrist ... or just another false prophet

[Douggg]

Yes, it does. Rev 13 speaks of a head wounded and Rev 17 explains the heads are mountains.

That is the kingdom speaking just as any country can "speak" through it's people or leadership.

No, it's mountain which is an area of land the ten horned kingdom resides in.

The ten horned beast is a kingdom in Daniel 7 and Rev 13.

And mountains do not wear crowns. Kings do.

 

[Brakelite]

None of Rev 13 is fulfilled.




What's hard about that? lol



That is not about the NT AC.



None of this is relevant to the AC.




That is not about the NT AC. None of the 10 horns are removed in any part of Rev. You are conflating two different prophecies.






Most of the ones you presented are not AC related.

All of which are standard Jesuit futurist responses.

 

[ewq1938]

All of which are standard Jesuit futurist responses.

No, they aren't and this is a baseless and lazy, false accusation.

 

[ewq1938]

And mountains do not wear crowns.

It's not literal, and they do wear crowns in Rev 12.

 

[Douggg]

It's not literal, and they do wear crowns in Rev 12.

Kings wear crowns. Not mountains.

 

[Davy]

Davy, you were claiming that the beast-king is not a human being. But he will be a human being possessed by the spirit of the serpent beast (that will come out of the bottomless pit).

That is how many interpret it according to their 'carnal flesh thinking.'

But that 'carnal' interpretation is only based on Scripture like Mark 8:31-33 where Peter rebuked Lord Jesus for His saying He would be rejected and crucified, and then Jesus rebuked Peter while referring to Satan speaking through Peter.

It is this, and the events of demons in The New Testament, which causes many to think Satan cannot manifest with his image of man in our earthly dimension, but can only work behind another flesh person, like a spirit possession. Those who think that are relying on a carnal understanding, and don't actually understand the two different dimensions of existence at all that God created, nor how Satan's working at the end of this world is going to be different.

The "strong delusion" which God is going to send upon this world for the coming "great tribulation" will involve Satan and his angels coming here on earth, in OUR EARTHLY DIMENSION, in plain sight. Satan has the image of man, as all angels do. That event of his future coming with His angels is solidly written in the Revelation 12:7-17 Chapter involving the war in Heaven between Archangel Michael and his angels, vs. Satan and his angels. It says when that war happens, there will be no more place found in heaven for Satan. Since there are only TWO different dimensions of existence written of in God's Word, this earthly one we live in, and the heavenly one where God and the angels dwell, and even Satan and his angels dwell, that means there is only one other... place Satan and his angels can go when they are kicked out of heaven, and that is into OUR EARTHLY dimension, right here on earth in plain sight.

That is why in Revelation 17:8 says all those who dwell on earth whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of this world, will WONDER AT THAT BEAST (Satan). They will wonder who he is, which is a pointer to the world being able to actually SEE Satan with the image of man right here on earth, working those great signs and wonders and miracles to deceive the whole world. Only Christ's elect will not 'wonder', and will know who he is really is.

 

[Davy]

When does God judge the Heavenly hosts who have rebelled against Him?

Answer, at the end of this present sixth age to fulfil God's covenant of peace with the nation of Israel, which will occur in around 20 years' time from now with the removal of the evil beasts of the field from the face of the earth.

What you are claiming does not, IMHO, match what the scriptures tells us.

That 20 years idea is date setting. We are not to do that kind of speculation, because you are linking the day of Christ's future coming with that date, and no man knows that day or hour, like Jesus said.

So talk about what I teach not... matching Bible Scripture, you've got to be off your rocker.

 

[ewq1938]

Kings wear crowns. Not mountains.

Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

Heads are symbolism for mountains in Rev, not kings.

 

[Douggg]

Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

Heads are symbolism for mountains in Rev, not kings.

Mountains don't wear crowns.

The seven heads represent both mountains and kings. It is not by coincidence that there are 7 kings in Revelation 17:10.

 

[Jay Ross]

That 20 years idea is date setting. We are not to do that kind of speculation, because you are linking the day of Christ's future coming with that date, and no man knows that day or hour, like Jesus said.

So talk about what I teach not... matching Bible Scripture, you've got to be off your rocker.

First off, I have stated elsewhere on this forum that the second coming of Christ comes after the punishment of the judged kings of the earth and the heavenly hosts and will not occur until around a further 1,040 plus solar years have past. Since I pointed to a distance future time without so much as, in the year VXYZ AD Christs second coming will occur. No where do I suggested that Christ's second coming is a near future event such that it is associated with the kings of the earth gathering at a place called Armagedón. Nor do I suggest that Christ will rule the earth from the face of the earth.

All I can assume from your rebuttal is that you have stooped to using a false argument in your feeble attempt to argue against what I had posted.

 

[Jay Ross]

Satan is not locked in his pit prison until the day of Lord Jesus' future return (Revelation 20).

Davy, this was your unscriptural and false claim that I had previously rebutted using scripture to justify when Satan would be judged in our near future. Revelation 20:1-3 was referencing the time of Satan's judgement along with the judgement of the Beast, the Little Horn and the Kings of the earth, as foretold in Isaiah 24:21-22.

Jesus also referenced the time Satan would be imprisoned in the Bottomless pit in the Parable of the Talents in Matthew and the Parable of the Minas in Luke but, sadly, both of these parables have been altered by well meaning "teachers" to be all about Christ. How sad.

 

[Douggg]

No where do I suggested that Christ's second coming is a near future event such that it is associated with the kings of the earth gathering at a place called Armagedón.

Jay, Jesus gave the parable of the fig tree generation not passing away before He returns. That would mean not later than end of 2037. And since Jesus's return will be 7 years after the Gog/Magog event, Gog/Magog should happen sometime before the end of 2030.

 

[Jay Ross]

Jay, Jesus gave the parable of the fig tree generation not passing away before He returns. That would mean not later than end of 2037. And since Jesus's return will be 7 years after the Gog/Magog event, Gog/Magog should happen sometime before the end of 2030.

So, you still do not understand that the Greek word "genea" is not about a descendant generation, but rather its meaning is about an age of around 1,000 + solar years in Matt 24:34. Matthew 24:32 tells us approximately when this age will begin, if we can understand the imagery contained in this one verse.

 

[Douggg]

So, you still do not understand that the Greek word "genea" is not about a descendant generation, but rather its meaning is about an and age of around 1,000 + solar years in Matt 24:34. Matthew 24:32 tells us approximately when this age will begin, if we can understand the imagery contained in this one verse.

Jay, people don't live a thousand years. The lifespan of David's time was expected to be around 70 years. David himself died at the age of 70.

Psalms 90:10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.

 

[Bladerunner]

Jay, people don't live a thousand years. The lifespan of David's time was expected to be around 70 years. David himself died at the age of 70.

Psalms 90:10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.

Does not Jesus tell us that the 1000 years (millenium), His rule, there will be only death of unbelievers.

 

[ewq1938]

Mountains don't wear crowns.

The seven heads represent both mountains and kings. It is not by coincidence that there are 7 kings in Revelation 17:10.

There are 8 kings mentioned, which is not by coincidence. No match to the 7 mountains that exist all at the same time. 6 of the 8 kings are dead and gone already.

 

[ewq1938]

Does not Jesus tell us that the 1000 years (millenium), His rule, there will be only death of unbelievers.

I don't believe Jesus said anything of the sort.

 

[Douggg]

There are 8 kings mentioned, which is not by coincidence. No match to the 7 mountains that exist all at the same time. 6 of the 8 kings are dead and gone already.

There are not 8 kings in Revelation 17:10. There are 7. One of those 7, the 7th, will continue for a short space of time - becoming the beast king of Revelation 17:11, king 8.

Mountains do not wear crowns. Kings do. It is amazing that you think a mountain can be mortally wounded and be healed, and also wear a crown. Revelation 17:9 does not say anything about mountains wearing crowns.

 

[Douggg]

Does not Jesus tell us that the 1000 years (millenium), His rule, there will be only death of unbelievers.

During the thousand year millennium, there will be persons who will be born and die. Some of them will become believers in Christ and the gospel of salvation. And although they may die during the millennium, they will be resurrected and receive their eternal life bodies at the Great White Throne judgment.

 

[Jay Ross]

Jay, people don't live a thousand years. The lifespan of David's time was expected to be around 70 years. David himself died at the age of 70.

Psalms 90:10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.

Your lack of reading comprehension is showing. In my post I was not talking about a descendant generation as you are wanting the understanding to be about, but rather I was speaking of a period of time which spans a complete age. It seems to me that you are blinkered by your own flawed understandings.