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Douggg

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This also failed. One generation is about 40 years, 1948+40 = 1988. Nothing happened. Let it go.
A generation is 70 years according to Psalms 90:10.

The fig tree represents Jerusalem as Jesus cursed a fig tree beside the road as He and the disciples were about to enter Jerusalem, for having no fruit. Matthew 21:18-20.

Jerusalem became back in the hands of the Jews in 1967.

1967 + 70 = 2037

Jesus will return no later than end of 2037.

subtract 7 years, for the 70th week of Daniel 9:27 to begin by, and also the Gog/Magog event taking place, sometime before the end of 2030.
 

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A generation is 70 years according to Psalms 90:10.
No, this is a life span.

The fig tree represents Jerusalem as Jesus cursed a fig tree beside the road as He and the disciples were about to enter Jerusalem
This is... really weak.

Jerusalem became back in the hands of the Jews in 1967. 1967 + 70 = 2037
And here we go, pushing the date to the future, failure after failure. Substract at least 20 years, because "to see" is not about a just born baby. That makes it 2017.

Failure again.

Jesus will return no later than end of 2037.
Another date that will fail.
 

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And here we go, pushing the date to the future, failure after failure. Substract at least 20 years, because "to see" is not about a just born baby. That makes it 2017.

Failure again.
In the past, since 1948, there was thinking that Israel a nation again was the base year for the parable of the fig tree generation. So 1948 +70 years = 2018 as the year Jesus would return by. Which did not happen.

Therefore, the fig tree did not represent Israel in the parable, but Jerusalem.
 

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In the past, since 1948, there was thinking that Israel a nation again was the base year for the parable of the fig tree generation. So 1948 +70 years = 2018 as the year Jesus would return by. Which did not happen.

Therefore, the fig tree did not represent Israel in the parable, but Jerusalem.
Yes, pushing it to the future failure after failure, looking for excuses or changes in the calculation.

And you cannot do just "+70" calculation, that is not possible. You are including even babies born in the end of that year.

For a generation to witness something, they must at least to be in some rational adult age. So, do "+50", at most. You will get 2017, failure again.
 
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Yes, pushing it to the future failure after failure, looking for excuses or changes in the calculation.

And you cannot do just "+70" calculation, that is not possible. You are including even babies born in the end of that year.

For a generation to witness something, they must at least to be in some rational adult age. So, do "+50", at most. You will get 2017, failure again.
Persons born in 1967 are now 58 years old in 2025.
 

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Persons born in 1967 are now 58 years old in 2025.
You do not get it. You cannot include persons born in 1967. They were not the generation that witnessed the event.

Search for the word "generation" in the New Testament. For example:

Woe to you, because you build tombs for the prophets...Therefore this generation will be held responsible for the blood of all the prophets that has been shed since the beginning of the world,
from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who was killed between the altar and the sanctuary. Yes, I tell you, this generation will be held responsible for it all.

Lk 11:50-51

Is Jesus talking to few months old babies or to people in their 30's, 40's, 50's?

Or:

But first he must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation.
Lk 17:25

Was Jesus rejected by few months old babies? Or by people in the adult age?
 

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The event of Jesus's return has not happened yet.
The event is the fig tree/Israel taking control of Jerusalem, try to focus.

You say that the generation that witnessed it (which is not the generation born in that year) will live when Jesus returns. This prediction failed even though you try to calculate it with biblical life span instead of with the true meaning of a generation.
 
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The event is the fig tree/Israel taking control of Jerusalem, try to focus.

You say that the generation that witnessed it (which is not the generation born in that year) will live when Jesus returns. This prediction failed even though you try to calculate it with biblical life span instead of with the true meaning of a generation.
No, the event that the parable of the fig tree generation will witness is Jesus's return.
 

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No, the event that the parable of the fig tree generation will witness is Jesus's return.
You just deliberately associated the fig tree parable with taking back Jerusalem (not biblical), you then associated it with modern political event in 1967 (also not biblical) and then you tried to calculate the return of Christ with simply taking 1967 and adding 70 years to it (neither logical nor biblical).

It is all built on sand and it will fail as all other similar illusions.
 
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You just deliberately associated the fig tree parable with taking back Jerusalem (not biblical), you then associated it with modern political event in 1967 (also not biblical) and then you tried to calculate the return of Christ with simply taking 1967 and adding 70 years to it (neither logical nor biblical).
The Jews regaining total control of Jerusalem was the result of the 1967 six day war. It was a military event.
 

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pre-trib rapture is FAKE / PHONY / LIE from satan placed in the hearts of christians thru the sin of 'respect of persons'

God is calling out to His people to REPENT from the lie of pre-trib rapture
Stop calling the bible fake and phony.

You can not honestly defend a postrib rapture.
You do not know the rapture verses.
But just pretend Jesus did not know what he was doing in the pretrib rapture verses.
You have never offered ANY evidence we are wrong.
You just name call and post safe generalities.
 

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There is no biblical instruction for us to "wait" on anything.
Really? What should I do? Throw all these out?:

Blessed Hope, "looking, watching, and patiently waiting For The LORD Jesus Christ!"
(2 Thessalonians 2:1; Romans 8:18-19; Romans 8:23; Romans 8:25; 1 Corinthians 1:7;
Ephesians 6:12-18; Philippians 3:20; Colossians 4:1-3; 1 Thessalonians 1:10;
1 Thessalonians 5:5-11 AV)

"Looking for that Blessed Hope, and The Glorious Appearing Of
The Great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ!"
(Titus 2:13 AV)

Time shows all things. All we need do is wait, and we'll know one way or the other.

Much love!
Amen. RHS
 
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Stop calling the bible fake and phony.

You can not honestly defend a postrib rapture.
You do not know the rapture verses.
But just pretend Jesus did not know what he was doing in the pretrib rapture verses.
You have never offered ANY evidence we are wrong.
You just name call and post safe generalities.
He didn't. He called your false teaching fake and phony. You have zero biblical support. Pretrib avoidance of that over the years has proved that. You are a prime example. All you have is avoidance and ad hominem.
 

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Really? What should I do? Throw all these out?:

Blessed Hope, "looking, watching, and patiently waiting For The LORD Jesus Christ!"
(2 Thessalonians 2:1; Romans 8:18-19; Romans 8:23; Romans 8:25; 1 Corinthians 1:7;
Ephesians 6:12-18; Philippians 3:20; Colossians 4:1-3; 1 Thessalonians 1:10;
1 Thessalonians 5:5-11 AV)

"Looking for that Blessed Hope, and The Glorious Appearing Of
The Great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ!"
(Titus 2:13 AV)


Amen. RHS
It was written to the first church, not to us. We do not wait for anything, we enter the kingdom of God through faith and we share it and widen it more.
 
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Jesus is coming soon ... until then, peace be with you!
The word in your sentence is pretty much what the issue is all about. The word is "soon." Is it a word denoting in a short time. Or, is it a word that indicates next in sequence. This is why the NT is not in error by saying the Rapture would happen soon. The Greek word is quite flexible and often means next in sequence. The problem stems from a poor translation. The Greek reader doesn't see a contradiction.
 

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The word in your sentence is pretty much what the issue is all about. The word is "soon." Is it a word denoting in a short time. Or, is it a word that indicates next in sequence. This is why the NT is not in error by saying the Rapture would happen soon. The Greek word is quite flexible and often means next in sequence. The problem stems from a poor translation. The Greek reader doesn't see a contradiction.
I am a Greek reader and what you say is not true. The Greek behind “soon” in the New Testament generally emphasizes swiftness or imminence, not "next in sequence".
 

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In the past, since 1948, there was thinking that Israel a nation again was the base year for the parable of the fig tree generation. So 1948 +70 years = 2018 as the year Jesus would return by. Which did not happen.

Therefore, the fig tree did not represent Israel in the parable, but Jerusalem.
Why not read Psalm 90:10 again. It says a generation _ if you are strong _ is 80 years. The average lifespan is about that depending on the country.

Life Expectancy

Japan: 85 years (2025)
South Korea: 85 years (2025)
Switzerland: 84.23 years (2025)
Australia: 84.21 years (2025)
Andorra: 84.04 years (2023)
Italy: 83.72 years (2023)
Israel: 83 years
United States: Approximately 78.4 years (2023)
The poorer countries have much lower rates. African counties can be as low as 54 years.

So let's not shift that starting line.