Bible Study: The Gospel is in the Torah

[Behold]

How can God be the One putting Jesus on the cross?

Jesus accepted the Father's will to go to The Cross.

Notice this verse..

"""""Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done."""""


See that "CUP"?
That Cup is The Cross, its God's judgment against the sin of the World, that Fell on Jesus.. And God's "will" was for Jesus to endure it, and that is why Jesus said "not my will your YOURS.. be done"....So Jesus went to The Cross as this was His Father's will for Him.

 

[Behold]

So then the false statement "He made Him to be sin for us who knew no sin"

Go ahead and explain to the members why you are defining a bible verse as a 'false statement". @Episkopos

I"ll go ahead and give the readers a few Translations of this verse, as they are all the same, and then you can explain to the members why you have again said that this NT Bible verse is a "FALSE statment".

And realize that the verse is defining the Holy One who "had no sin" and "knew no sin", so we know this is the Sinless Jesus The Christ.
And we understand that the word 'HE"....... who made Him to be sin, is not talking about Jews... as the word is "HE"......singular, pronound, so, this is God, whose WILL was for Jesus to go to The Cross.
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""""GOD made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God."""" New Living Translation For GOD made Christ, who never sinned, to be the offering for our sin, so that we could be made right with God through Christ. English Standard Version For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. Berean Standard Bible GOD made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God. Berean Literal Bible He made the One not having known sin to be sin for us, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God. King James Bible For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. New King James Version For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. New American Standard Bible He made Him who knew no sin to be sin in our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. NASB 1995 He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. NASB 1977 He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. Legacy Standard Bible He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. Amplified Bible He made Christ who knew no sin to [judicially] be sin on our behalf, so that in Him we would become the righteousness of God [that is, we would be made acceptable to Him and placed in a right relationship with Him by His gracious lovingkindness].

 

[Episkopos]

Go ahead and explain to the members why you are defining a bible verse as a 'false statement". @Episkopos

I"ll go ahead and give the readers a few Translations of this verse, as they are all the same, and then you can explain to the members why you have again said that this NT Bible verse is a "FALSE statment".

And realize that the verse is defining the Holy One who "had no sin" and "knew no sin", so we know this is the Sinless Jesus The Christ.
And we understand that the word 'HE"....... who made Him to be sin, is not talking about Jews... as the word is "HE"......singular, pronound, so, this is God, whose WILL was for Jesus to go to The Cross.
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""""GOD made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God."""" New Living Translation For GOD made Christ, who never sinned, to be the offering for our sin, so that we could be made right with God through Christ. English Standard Version For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. Berean Standard Bible GOD made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God. Berean Literal Bible He made the One not having known sin to be sin for us, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God. King James Bible For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. New King James Version For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. New American Standard Bible He made Him who knew no sin to be sin in our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. NASB 1995 He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. NASB 1977 He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. Legacy Standard Bible He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. Amplified Bible He made Christ who knew no sin to [judicially] be sin on our behalf, so that in Him we would become the righteousness of God [that is, we would be made acceptable to Him and placed in a right relationship with Him by His gracious lovingkindness].

Total fabrication. It isn't the translators who were inspired, it was the original authors. And many times the translators take liberties to dull the word or twist it to their own agenda. But again, God takes men's evil and makes something productive with it. Of course it also exposes the false witnesses.

The verse in question is fully misunderstood. There is no "He" and "Him"....there is only "He was made to be sin over us (by us evil ones) who knew no sin, so that we might FULFILL (or DO) the righteousness of God in Him (Christ)"

We are empowered by grace to DO the commandments of God. Anything less is lawlessness.

 

[Behold]

Total fabrication. It isn't the translators who were inspired, it was the original authors.

We are not having a "translation" discusison.
So, you are having it with yourself, as your way to try to avoid the real discussion.

And many times the translators take liberties to dull the word or twist it to their own agenda.

All heretics claim that they are the authority and the bible is translated wrong.
Typical con job.
Typical.

But again, God takes men's evil and makes something productive with it. Of course it also exposes the false witnesses.

You teach that "The Cross is not about Forgivness"......and you teach that Paul's Gosple, is "delusion".

Paul's Gospel states that God accepts our faith to give us imputed Righteous... Romans 3, 4, and 9.......and not just in those chapters.

The truth is, you are deluded by Legalism.
Your theology is a "doctrine of devils", "Hebrews 13:9 (KJV)..= according to your Videos, Posts, and Threads.

The verse in question is fully misunderstood. There is no "He" and "Him"....there is only "He was made to be sin over us (by us evil ones) who knew no sin, so that we might FULFILL (or DO) the righteousness of God in Him (Christ)"

You just posted that there is no "HE".........and then you posted the verse that starts with the pronound "HE".

Something is wrong with your thinking....and not just your reading ability..........obvously.

We are empowered by grace to DO the commandments of God. Anything less is lawlessness.

You teach a Gospel of works, and self righteousness....and that is a cursed gospel ... Galatians 1:8

 

[ProDeo]

Total fabrication. It isn't the translators who were inspired, it was the original authors. And many times the translators take liberties to dull the word or twist it to their own agenda. But again, God takes men's evil and makes something productive with it. Of course it also exposes the false witnesses.

The verse in question is fully misunderstood.

And now you say it right.

Misunderstood instead of false statement.

 

[Behold]

And now you say it right.

Misunderstood instead of false statement.

Here is a tip for you. @ProDeo

People who are not bible believers, who are pride filled .....will always CORRECT the bible with their false teaching.

They will aways say.....>"Well, this verse is not translated right..." or.. 'its misunderstood by the church".... or ..'This is one of those errors in the bible".........= So, let me the final authority, let me be YOUR BIBLE>..........and i'll rewrite the bible for you, according to what i teach that it means.

Welcome to his theological world...

 

[Lizbeth]

Why does God allow evil in the world? Why does He say not to resist evil?

All things work together for good to those who are the called and love God.

"But as for you, you thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive." Gen 50:20

This is about Joseph but it is also prophetic and displays how God works good through evil.


So then the false statement "He made Him to be sin for us who knew no sin" stands as false. God doesn't condemn the innocent. EVIL MEN made Jesus to be sin. But God turned the evil against His Son into a fulfillment of God's righteousness to "save much people".

Mankind's unrighteousness was transformed into the means of fulfilling God's righteousness. That's what the verse means.

It is not a scheme of covering up sins and more unrighteousness.

You've added to your post here since I first read it. And I can't agree with it, so I took back my thumb's up. Oh my, how is it possible that something that is stated in the bible could be false? God is not a man that He would lie. I dont see how mere men would have had the spiritual authority to make Jesus our proxy and scapegoat on the cross. That is something only God could ORDAIN. He imputed sin to Jesus so that He could then impute His righteousness to us by faith. Not even Jesus took that upon Himself, but after an agonizing battle in Gethsemane, He submitted to the Father's will. He only ever did what He saw THE FATHER DOING.

It's clear you are trying very hard to slither and wrest your way out from having to believe we have been made the righteousness of God by faith in Jesus and what transpired through His death and resurrection.

 

[ProDeo]

Here is a tip for you. @ProDeo

People who are not bible believers, who are pride filled .....will always CORRECT the bible with their false teaching.

They will aways say.....>"Well, this verse is not translated right..." or.. 'its misunderstood by the church".... or ..'This is one of those errors in the bible".........= So, let me the final authority, let me be YOUR BIBLE>..........and i'll rewrite the bible for you, according to what i teach that it means.

Welcome to his theological world...

Well, he corrected himself, did he not?

Anyone with a little bit of OT knowledge knows that innocent animals were made sin, the context of the verse in question.

 

[Behold]

Well, he corrected himself, did he not?

Anyone with a little bit of OT knowledge knows that innocent animals were made sin, the context of the verse in question.

He didnt.
He only corrected the verse.
He stated that the "translation" is the problem... the "translation" has caused the verse to be "misunderstood".
The Translators are the problem...
False teachers always blame the bible, and then try to rewrite it.
See, the one who misunderstands the verse, is Him.

He does not believe that God sent Jesus into this world to go to The Cross, for the sin of the World.

 

[ProDeo]

He didnt.
He only corrected the verse.
He stated that the "translation" is the problem... the "translation" has caused the verse to be "misunderstood".
The Translators are the problem...
False teachers always blame the bible, and then try to rewrite it.
See, the one who misunderstands the verse, is Him.

I am not bickering on a mistake.

He does not believe that God sent Jesus into this world to go to The Cross, for the sin of the World.

What I said previously :

1Petr 1:18 knowing that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold,
1Petr 1:19 but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot.
1Petr 1:20 He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you

and :

Rev 13:8 and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.

Even before A&E were created God the Father and God the Son foreknew everything and what it would cost (all the way to Christ and Him crucified) and yet God the Father and God the Son did not stop and created us after all, ever pondered about that?

I am deeply impressed by His love, can you feel it too?

 

[Behold]

I am not bickering on a mistake.

He made a "mistake' on purpose.

See, when you esteem yourself above the bible.....then you correct it.
That's not a mistake, thats an intention.

What I said previously :

1Petr 1:20 He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you

"He was foreknown"..

= God knew that Jesus would be virgin born, and die on The Cross for the sin of the world.

This is "God's foreknowledge".

Rev 13:8 and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.

"before the foundation of the world".............God knew what was going to happen, regarding everything.
He still does.
This is "God's foreknowledge"......its God's universal knowing regarding all things that are going to happen next.
God wrote the bible.......and that is why it shows you what God has done, what God is doing, and what God is going to do in the future.

Even before A&E were created God the Father and God the Son foreknew everything and what it would cost (all the way to Christ and Him crucified) and yet God the Father and God the Son did not stop and created us after all, ever pondered about that?
I am deeply impressed by His love, can you feel it too?

God understood what would happen, IF He created man, and IF He gave man, free will.
He KNEW the Devil would tempt and then corrupt, and He knew that Adam would choose the Tree of Knowledge, instead of the Tree of Life.

So, God wanted us to be like Him........He made us with the ability to make CHOICES, and He knew Adam would make a bad choice.
God understood what it would take to redeem fallen man..

And that is literally .....God wrapping Himself in Human flesh, virgin born......to die for us all, so that we could be returned to Him....restored to Him.

God stated that the ultimate proof of Love is to lay down your life........and so, God became one of us to lay down His life for all of us on The Cross.

 

[Episkopos]

You've added to your post here since I first read it. And I can't agree with it, so I took back my thumb's up. Oh my, how is it possible that something that is stated in the bible could be false?

You are too funny. Are you that naive? God did not translate the bible into English. Look at how poorly the bible is being translated today...and the translations always took away from the power of the words from God. I think maybe you are too naive to understand how the religious system works. Take away from he meaning of the bible...make the religion more successful.

God is not a man that He would lie.

You have no idea who God is. God is NOT an institution that sets out to change words and meanings.

I dont see how mere men would have had the spiritual authority to make Jesus our proxy and scapegoat on the cross.

Again, you are WAYY over your head here. You are missing the point.

That is something only God could ORDAIN. He imputed sin to Jesus so that He could then impute His righteousness to us by faith.

You are still in blindness. The religious conditioning is strong in this one.

Not even Jesus took that upon Himself, but after an agonizing battle in Gethsemane, He submitted to the Father's will. He only ever did what He saw THE FATHER DOING.

Of course. But you would have to have A LOT more understanding to see through the charade you believe in.

It's clear you are trying very hard to slither and wrest your way out from having to believe we have been made the righteousness of God by faith in Jesus and what transpired through His death and resurrection.

No one can be made the righteousness of God. That isn't even proper English. But you indoctrinated types don't need for something to follow literary rules...no, you jump on every bent and twist that supports sin and unrighteousness.

I tried showing you the parallel between Jesus and Joseph.

Did God throw Joseph into the well? Did God tell his brothers to throw him into a well?

I think you misrepresent God and fully miss His greatness....by concocting an evil scheme about Him that would have Him be evil and unrighteous as you obviously are. You are judging AS YOU ARE...revealing yourself.

God turns evil into good because He is God. He also turns good into good. It just so happens that people are evil.

 

[amigo de christo]

Isa 53:1 Who has believed what he has heard from us? 
And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?   
                                                      
Isa 53:2 For he grew up before him like a young plant,
and like a root out of dry ground; he had no form or 
maIsaty that we should look at him, and no beauty that
we should desire him.                                 
                                                      
Isa 53:3 He was despised and rejected by men; a man of
sorrows, and acquainted with grief; and as one from   
whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we     
esteemed him not.                                     
                                                                                                              
Isa 53:4 Surely he has borne our griefs and carried our
sorrows; yet we esteemed him stricken, smitten by God,
and afflicted.                                       
                                                      
Isa 53:5 But he was pierced for our transgressions;   
he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the   
chastisement that brought us peace, and with his     
wounds we are healed.                                 
                                                      
Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have 
turned—every one—to his own way; and the LORD
has laid on him the iniquity of us all.                       
                                                      
Isa 53:7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet 
he opened not his mouth; like a lamb that is led to   
the slaughter, and like a sheep that before its       
shearers is silent, so he opened not his mouth.       
                                                      
Isa 53:8 By oppression and judgment he was taken     
away; and as for his generation, who considered       
that he was cut off out of the land of the living,   
stricken for the transgression of my people?         
                                                      
Isa 53:9 And they made his grave with the wicked and 
with a rich man in his death, although he had done no 
violence, and there was no deceit in his mouth.       
                                                      
Isa 53:10 Yet it was the will of the LORD to crush   
him; he has put him to grief; when his soul makes an 
offering for guilt, he shall see his offspring; he   
shall prolong his days; the will of the LORD shall   
prosper in his hand.                                 
                                                      
Isa 53:11 Out of the anguish of his soul he shall see 
and be satisfied; by his knowledge shall the righteous
one, my servant, make many to be accounted righteous, 
and he shall bear their iniquities.                   
                                                      
Isa 53:12 Therefore I will divide him a portion with 
the many, and he shall divide the spoil with the     
strong, because he poured out his soul to death and was
numbered with the transgressors; yet he bore the sin 
of many, and makes intercession for the transgressors.

Not about Jesus?

well this DARN SURE aint about JESUS CHRIST . and they want us to be cohelpers and supporters
of this ecumenical interfaith of anti christ . NO SIR . this sheep exposes evil
i dont make my bed of unity WITH IT .

You've added to your post here since I first read it. And I can't agree with it, so I took back my thumb's up. Oh my, how is it possible that something that is stated in the bible could be false? God is not a man that He would lie. I dont see how mere men would have had the spiritual authority to make Jesus our proxy and scapegoat on the cross. That is something only God could ORDAIN. He imputed sin to Jesus so that He could then impute His righteousness to us by faith. Not even Jesus took that upon Himself, but after an agonizing battle in Gethsemane, He submitted to the Father's will. He only ever did what He saw THE FATHER DOING.

It's clear you are trying very hard to slither and wrest your way out from having to believe we have been made the righteousness of God by faith in Jesus and what transpired through His death and resurrection.

He does that sister . I dont put a thumbs up even on the things HE says that might be true .
HECK even pope francis said things that were true and WE ALL KNOW what HE was and did .
EPI will get no recognition from me , SO LONG as HE CONTINUES to DENY THE ONE TRUE GOSPEL
which JESUS HIMSELF and later ALL apostels would teach .
ANY GUESSES on what WORD in that gospel THAT EPI OMITS .
THE MOST DIRE NECESSARY ONE , YE MUST BELIEVE . BELIEVE , BELIEVE .
i dont entertain men who add to the gospel and omit the FACT 0ne even has to FIRST BELEIVE .
You all are going to and fro with a man THAT HAS NEVER ONCE abandoned this false mindset .
NOT even once has he heard you . HE just keeps hoping in time YOU WILL HEED AND HEAR HIM .
What do the bible say to do with such men as that . HE will get no thumbs up from me
TILL HE repents of this anti gospel , this total denial OF JESUS HIMSELF who SAID YE MUST BELIEVE .
enough with this stuff .

 

[Behold]

You are too funny. Are you that naive? God did not translate the bible into English. Look at how poorly the bible is being translated today..

You are still trying to prove the bible can't be trusted.
That's the devil's ministry, among others.

.and the translations always took away from the power of the words from God.

You are again trying to cast doubt on the Holy bible, and that is the Devil's work. @Episkopos

You have no idea who God is.

You have no idea regarding why The Cross is God's Forgiveness of YOUR sins.

No one can be made the righteousness of God.

All the born again have become "The Righteousness of God, in Christ".

What that means is...they have received the "imputed Righteousnes" of Christ,.
IN other words God credits righteousness to all who give God their Faith, in Christ

Abraham received it as did Noah........as their "Faith was counted as Righteousness".........and this same righteous is "imputed" to all who Believe.

This is NT 101........>Paul's Doctrine.
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"""""but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness—for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead.

New Living Translation
for our benefit, too, assuring us that God will also count us as righteous...if we believe in him, the one who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead.

English Standard Version
but for ours also. It will be counted to us who believe in him who raised from the dead Jesus our Lord,

Berean Standard Bible
but also for us, to whom righteousness will be credited—for us who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead.

Berean Literal Bible
but also on account of us, to whom it is about to be credited, to those believing on the One having raised Jesus our Lord out from the dead,

King James Bible
But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

New King James Version
but also for us. It shall be imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead,

New American Standard Bible
but for our sake also, to whom it will be credited, to us who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead,

 

[Episkopos]

You are still trying to prove the bible can't be trusted.
That's the devil's ministry, among others.

You put your trust in men, not God. The devil's ministry is your own

You are again trying to cast doubt on the Holy bible, and that is the Devil's work. @Episkopos

It is the work of men in translation. A translation is just a targum....an interpretation. You have to go to the original words for them to be inspired. That doesn't mean that the translations are devoid of truth. It just means that carnal believers can rally around certain verses that attract them like a moth to a flame. God ALLOWS faulty translation because the same evil that changed the meaning of words is in the one that wants so desperately for them to be true.. God is wise indeed.

All the born again have become "The Righteousness of God, in Christ".

No one BECOMES God's righteousness. That is foolish and heretical. Does God have any righteousness left over for Himself in your scheme?

What that means is...they have received the "imputed Righteousnes" of Christ,.

No one is imputed the righteousness of Christ. Only Christ has the righteousness of Christ.

IN other words God credits righteousness to all who give God their Faith, in Christ

Yes...righteousness! But not HIS righteousness.

Abraham received it as did Noah........as their "Faith was counted as Righteousness".........and this same righteous is "imputed" to all who Believe.

Of course...but now you are saying what I say and the bible attests to. You are as slippery as an eel.

The dispute is not whether one can be deemed righteous by faith or works....it is whether God sees us as righteous as He is.

This is NT 101........>Paul's Doctrine.
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"""""but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness—for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead.

New Living Translation
for our benefit, too, assuring us that God will also count us as righteous...if we believe in him, the one who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead.

English Standard Version
but for ours also. It will be counted to us who believe in him who raised from the dead Jesus our Lord,

Berean Standard Bible
but also for us, to whom righteousness will be credited—for us who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead.

Berean Literal Bible
but also on account of us, to whom it is about to be credited, to those believing on the One having raised Jesus our Lord out from the dead,

King James Bible
But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

New King James Version
but also for us. It shall be imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead,

New American Standard Bible
but for our sake also, to whom it will be credited, to us who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead,

You have no understanding like most here. You don't realize that righteousness from men is not the same as righteousness from God.

And you are still on the Sunday school level where no translation of the bible be corrupted.

What about the Johannine comma?...whereby the Catholic church added a few sentences in 1 John that made it into the bible for 500 years deceiving people...until the evidence was too strong that it was an addition.

Now what about all the smaller deviations that take away the power of the gospel? I am trying to explain something to people who are clearly unqualified to comment...just religious opinions..with no wisdom, knowledge or understanding. Sometimes I wonder why I even try to help such.

 

[Behold]

You put your trust in men, not God. The devil's ministry is your own

All real Christians have placed their Trust in Christ, who is their Savior.
And the reason they have, is because they have heard the Gospel and believed it....and this Gospel is Paul's.
So, to teach that this Gospel is "delusion".. .. this is what Satan will teach.....and that is exactly what you claim. @Episkopos

You're the very one who claimed that Paul's Gospel is "delusion", and yet, if yo've never believed it, you're not a Christian, as there is no other Gospel that brings Salvation to a Sinner .
Thats a fact.

It is the work of men in translation. A translation is just a targum..

The Holy Bible is not going to stop being the Holy Bible simply because you dont believe it, @Episkopos .
Thats another fact.
Your pride has decided that you can sit in authority above the Holy Bible and correct it.
But you'll find out that its going to correct you and your idle words.
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No one BECOMES God's righteousness.

"The righteousness of God in Christ"......
See that?
That is "imputed righteousness"....and the Believer has it, because "our faith is counted by God as (Christ's) Righteousness".

"even as Abraham believed God and it (His faith) was counted unto Him, as RIGHTEOUSNESS">..

A.) "counted unto Him" is "imputed".. and all Christian have this same "imputed righteousness"...as Abraham.
This is why Paul teaches that Abraham is the "father of our Faith".

Yes...righteousness! But not HIS righteousness.

A Christian has received "imputed rightesousness"....and this only comes from God.
So, it is indeed His Righteousness.

The dispute is not whether one can be deemed righteous by faith or works....it is whether God sees us as righteous as He is.

The reason that God became a man, born under the law, was to fullfill the law, and die as a sinless sacrifice for the sin of the World.

So, what that means is...

God is Righteous, and we are = "all have sinned".
God cant fellowship with sin, or unrighteousness, so, God became a Man to give us His Righteousness.....and to do that, he had to eternally remove what was separating us from Him.....which is our sin.
So, He provided His blood and body and death on THe Cross, that pays for all our sin, so that we can be forgiven, and thus being forgiven, God can give us "imputed Righteousness" that is His.......as its : "Christ's righteousness" that the Christian has received as "THE GIFT of RIGHTEOUSNESS">

You have no understanding like most here. You don't realize that righteousness from men is not the same as righteousness from God.

Paul teaches that Abraham received God's rightousness through Faith, and Paul teaches that this same is "imputed" to all who Believe the Gospel., and are "Justified by Faith".

And you are still on the Sunday school level where no translation of the bible be corrupted.

- Too funny

Im Seminary Trained.
ive had training in Manuscript evidence.. I can teach all day long about "extant texts" and Koine Greek, and Origen's Hexapla, , and the Vulgate.
So, dont kid yourself, little one.
The difference between us is that i KNOW that God's Word , = the Holy Bible is God ordained, God Breathed, and God preserved.

What about the Johannine comma?...whereby the Catholic church added a few sentences in 1 John that made it into the bible for 500 years deceiving people...until the evidence was too strong that it was an addition.

What about all the italicized words in a KJV?

What about the fact that there are no chapter makings and verse markings found in the Greek manuscripts?

What about the fact that the English OT is read left to right and the original Hebrew is read right to left.

What about the price of tea in China, or the fact that Tesla sedans go faster then a speeding Fiat

So, this is all your strawman nonsense that is created by religious people who are not bible believers and do not understand it.
Im a bible believer

 

[Lizbeth]

No one BECOMES God's righteousness. That is foolish and heretical.

Our new man is made after the image of He who created it. That is how we are made the righteousness of God. He is looking at our new man, not the old. But you have avoided addressing this.

 

[Lizbeth]

well this DARN SURE aint about JESUS CHRIST . and they want us to be cohelpers and supporters
of this ecumenical interfaith of anti christ . NO SIR . this sheep exposes evil
i dont make my bed of unity WITH IT .

He does that sister . I dont put a thumbs up even on the things HE says that might be true .
HECK even pope francis said things that were true and WE ALL KNOW what HE was and did .
EPI will get no recognition from me , SO LONG as HE CONTINUES to DENY THE ONE TRUE GOSPEL
which JESUS HIMSELF and later ALL apostels would teach .
ANY GUESSES on what WORD in that gospel THAT EPI OMITS .
THE MOST DIRE NECESSARY ONE , YE MUST BELIEVE . BELIEVE , BELIEVE .
i dont entertain men who add to the gospel and omit the FACT 0ne even has to FIRST BELEIVE .
You all are going to and fro with a man THAT HAS NEVER ONCE abandoned this false mindset .
NOT even once has he heard you . HE just keeps hoping in time YOU WILL HEED AND HEAR HIM .
What do the bible say to do with such men as that . HE will get no thumbs up from me
TILL HE repents of this anti gospel , this total denial OF JESUS HIMSELF who SAID YE MUST BELIEVE .
enough with this stuff .

I hear you brother. Don't you worry, I wasn't giving "him" a thumb's up, only the specific comment he initially made.

 

[amigo de christo]

I hear you brother. Don't you worry, I wasn't giving "him" a thumb's up, only the specific comment he initially made.

To the trenches my dear sister . Its flowing in now dear sister . That delusion cometh like a flood dear sister .
It was nice knowing you my dear sister . Let us be faithful unto the end dear sister .
Times will get worse and much sooner than folks realize .

 

[Lizbeth]

No one is imputed the righteousness of Christ. Only Christ has the righteousness of Christ.

Nonsense. It is the righteousness of Christ in us because it is HIS Spirit (nature) within us, within our new man. Christ IN us, the hope of glory.