Bible Study: The Gospel is in the Torah

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No, that is only how He was numbered with the transgressors by men, even though innocent. He died the death of a condemned criminal.

Isa 53:6
All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

It is the Lord who laid on His Son the iniquity of us all, by having Jesus act as proxy in our place on the cross. And because Jesus submitted and consented to His Father's will in this matter.
Jesus is also our door, that is, by joining Him in His death, we are able to survive the death required for our sin, and now having passed through death into life, live in Him.

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of those who walk in resurrection life without sin..


All Christians walk in resurrection life, but most of them are not aware that this has to do with being born again spiritually.

Christians are made free from sin by the "one time Eternal Sacrifice of Christ".

Christians are "not under the Law"......so, this means the Law can't define them as a sinner or their deeds as sin.


.not just the ones who are born of the Spirit but also who abide in Christ, to overcome as He also overcame.

All born again Christians have already "overcome'.

Here is why...

""""""Who is it that overcomes the world? Only the one who believes that Jesus is the Son of God.""""'

You can't read bible verses with self-interest. If you seek to save your life you will lose it.

I seek to lead others into God's Gift of Salvation so that they can receive His "Gift of Eternal life".

by claiming to be justified

God claims that all the born again are already eternally Justified by the Blood of Jesus.

Jesus is our Justification and our Sanctification........1 Corn 1:30 (KJV).

This is "Justification by Faith". "without works or deeds of the Law".

(Paul's Gospel).

And you don't understand either the gospel or the kingdom of God.

Paul's gospel is the "Preaching of The Cross".......Its " Justification by faith.""

God and His Son are the KOG.
Jesus said that the KOG is "within you".....and when a person is born again, they are born again INTO The KOG, as "in Christ" and 'one with God".

Righteousness is about DOING


God's righteousness is "imputed".......its given to a Believer as a Gift. "The Gift of Righteousness".

Paul teaches it like this...

"God imputeth righteousness without WORKS".... (Romans 4:8).

Many will NOT learn to be righteous subsequent to regeneration and be cast away.

No one of themselves is righteous.
This is why God has to give the Believer the """Gift of Rightoeusness" that is 'imputed righteousness".......exaclty as God gave it to Abraham and Noah, and to every born again Believer.

"God imputeth righteousness without WORKS".... (Romans 4:8).
 

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What is the motivation behind wanting to impute God's righteousness to yourself?


Its God's motivaton to declare the "righteousness of Faith".

He declared it to Abraham, and to Noah, and to Paul.

Paul declares it as "imputed righteousness" (without works).. that every Christian has Received., as "The Gift of Righteousness".

"God imputeth righteousness without WORKS".... (Romans 4:8).
"God imputeth righteousness without WORKS".... (Romans 4:8).
"God imputeth righteousness without WORKS".... (Romans 4:8).


You haven't received it, which you keep proving, by denying it .@Episkopos
 

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No one can be imputed with God's righteousness...

Abraham was imputed with God's Righteousness

Romans 4 : """""For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was Imputed (counted) unto him for righteousness."""""
Its the same for Noah.
So is is with every Christian.........as they have all received "The Gift of Righteousness".....and that is "imputed Rightousness"......"without works".
 

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But I don't disagree that it means to fulfill as well as become.
I disagree. That's not what the word means. It is sometimes used in context that a prophecy is fulfilled, but the word still means "to become", in that case, becoming what was prophesied. So the context can indicate a different usage for that meaning. Not a change of the meaning of the word, rather, an understanding that is based specifically on the context. So an argument isn't true in that passage. That claim is misleading.

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But it seems to me, "made, to do, fulfill" whatever one to put in the text,

Didn't change the whole meaning.
"Become" speaks towards what you are. Fulfill speaks towards what you do.

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I wonder that there is anyone who would presume to unilaterally re-translate the Bible. Even if he were a Greek scholar, which I don't think is even the case here.
I don't think a new translation is required. God has allowed for faulty translations...so be it. It is all in God's plan. God's ways are above our ways...and He saw fit to allow certain language groups to be under the great delusion. It doesn't matter. His sheep hear His voice. If you don't recognize the voice of the Master, what good is a perfect translation?
 
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Its God's motivaton to declare the "righteousness of Faith".

He declared it to Abraham, and to Noah, and to Paul.

Paul declares it as "imputed righteousness" (without works).. that every Christian has Received., as "The Gift of Righteousness".

"God imputeth righteousness without WORKS".... (Romans 4:8).
"God imputeth righteousness without WORKS".... (Romans 4:8).
"God imputeth righteousness without WORKS".... (Romans 4:8).


You haven't received it, which you keep proving, by denying it .@Episkopos
There is a righteousness of faith...like that of Abraham. That's basic. God SEES righteousness in a person and THINKS he is righteous (chashav) the word for impute in Hebrew is the same as "to think" (machshavah). So if God thinks you are righteous that is a judgment call on what a person is doing. You would have God impute righteousness willy-nilly not based on what God sees...but by a religious formula that leaves God out.

So then God imputes righteousness BY WORKS...and ALSO by Faith. Read the bible.
 
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When you publically claim that the Bible is faulty,

A false claim. The bible is accurate...the translations are faulty...if a person knows ANYTHING about bible translations they will understand.. Immature sunday school level believers will find that a scandal.
you are engaged in the ministry of attempting to deny the Bible.

I am engaged in the ministry of truth and the testimony of Christ. That's why the religious ones don't understand what I'm saying.
That's not very smart, but it certainly is very evil.

See you there next time... @Episkopos
When good is seen as evil, all one can do is rest in the Lord.
 
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There is a righteousness of faith...like that of Abraham. That's basic. God SEES righteousness in a person

God never sees righteousness IN a sinner., as they dont have any.
This Is why God has to give them "THe Gift of Rightousness" that is based on our "FAITH is counted by God as (Christ's) Righteousness".................... = IMPUTED.
God has to IMPUTE it to the BELIEVER........so that they become "The righteousness of God, in Christ". "made righteous".


So then God imputes righteousness BY WORKS

Here is how you know that righteousness does not come by works.

"God imputeth righteousness = without WORKS".... (Romans 4:8).
 

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God never sees righteousness IN a sinner., as they dont have any.
This Is why God has to give them "THe Gift of Rightousness" that is based on our "FAITH is counted by God as (Christ's) Righteousness".................... = IMPUTED.
God has to IMPUTE it to the BELIEVER........so that they become "The righteousness of God, in Christ". "made righteous".




Here is how you know that righteousness does not come by works.

"God imputeth righteousness = without WORKS".... (Romans 4:8).
This is for those who have a very short attention span... God imputes righteousness without works just like He imputes righteousness by works. 2 things can be right at the same time.
Check out Phinehas and how he was justified by God...imputed righteousness for killing two transgressors.

Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
 
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That's some heavy stuff man....it makes me have fear...and I hope it's not just a fearful looking to judgement. I mean, who then can be saved?
These things are easily seen from Scripture, here is one example:

Colossians 3:1-8 KJV
1) If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2) Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3) For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4) When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
5) Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
6) For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
7) In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.
8) But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.

This passage speaks to the one who is raised with Christ, having died with Christ, and now is "hid with Christ in God" in the heavenly realm.

It tells us that when Christ appears, we shall also appear with Him in glory.

These things are well attested in other passages. And what does God say to these, who are resurrected with Christ, who will appear with Him in glory?

5) Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
6) For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
7) In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.

Kill the parts of you that are on the earth. You used to do these things, don't do then any longer.

Right back to the instruction from Scripture that our good works come from being regenerate, and that while we are admonished to do what is good and not what is evil, even so we are promised to appear with Jesus.

Much love!
 

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People typically just hate other people and their opinions nothing really new....

So like does it really matter? Sometimes? Probably. People will continue to be hating towards differences of opinions.... while people can make thing sounds flowerly and great, and done with such grace, still doesnt mean there isnt already a problem in the heart of individuals.

Suffering is also part of the life of Christ, lived in this world to. Not always so great!
 

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A false claim. The bible is accurate..

If the bible is accurate you would not be stating over and over that the bible is "Faulty".

The reality is, your bizarre theology is "faulty" and not related to genuine Christianity.

Your some sort of hybrid Calvinist, who believes you can lose your salvation, and you deny Paul's Gospel and are trying to work your way into heaven, by "doing righteousness" that you believe will get you there.

.the translations are faulty...

There are translations that are not really bibles.....they just contain some of the words found in a real one.

Also, you just said the bible is "Accurate" and now you say its "Faulty".

It can't be both...

I think your mental issue with the bible is always being proven by you @Episkopos , according to your posts, Threads, and Videos.

am engaged in the ministry of truth and the testimony of Christ.

You are absolutley engaged in casting doubt on the bible, as you deny Paul's Gospel, and insult The Cross of Christ.

Its you that says the bible is "faulty".. so that cast's doubt on it.
Its you that teaches that "The Cross is not about Forgiveness" and that denies it and insults it.
Its you that claims that "Paul's Gospel" is Delusion......and that is Galatians 1:8
 

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People typically just hate other people and their opinions nothing really new....
It's the old story of the scavangers forming a mob to attack the truth. Jesus said to not give what was holy to dogs and pigs. The dogs are those who have a pecking order...obedience to the alpha dog...pastors. But pigs are egalitarian..they eat whatever is given to them without question...and they oink at you if you say they are feeding on rubbish.
So like does it really matter? Sometimes? Probably. People will continue to be hating towards differences of opinions.... while people can make thing sounds flowerly and great, and done with such grace, still doesnt mean there isnt already a problem in the heart of individuals.
Yes, But one must discern the difference between the spiritual man exposing the flesh...and the flesh reacting to too much light.
 

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Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Context is king, as they say.

James 2:18 KJV
Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

You don't do things to prove to God whether He has justified you are not. He already knows. It's people who don't know, until they see what you do.

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. God imputes righteousness without works

You are the one that keeps telling us that God does not impute righteousness.
Remember, Mr Short Attention span?

Now you say He does.

What will you say next time?

Maybe you will tell us again that the bible is "faulty" and then say its "Accurate"........again.

You definitately have some issues..


Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

When a person comes to Christ, all they bring with them is a lifetime of sin.
God then accepts their faith to give them "The Gift of Righteousness" and Eternal Forgiveness.

So, at that moment a SAVED sinner who has never done anything for God.....is now '"made righteous".

Where are all their works ?

See if you can figure that out @Episkopos
 

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It's the old story of the scavangers forming a mob to attack the truth. Jesus said to not give what was holy to dogs and pigs. The dogs are those who have a pecking order...obedience to the alpha dog...pastors. But pigs are egalitarian..they eat whatever is given to them without question...and they oink at you if you say they are feeding on rubbish.

Yes, But one must discern the difference between the spiritual man exposing the flesh...and the flesh reacting to too much light.
Finished post: @Episkopos
Its also said dont be to righteous but also dont be to foolish.

So I have fun saying bad words sometimes, or even laughing at horrible things that happen all while knowing I wish it never happened to that person. Though sometimes some things deserve to be done to others, and hopefully they learn from it. Im not tlaking about beatings or anything but just being stern and firm in where one may stand.