Bible Study: The Gospel is in the Torah

[Episkopos]

What he posted was that no one receives God's righteousness.

No. I said that no one is imputed with God's righteousness. No one is as righteous as God....don't elevate yourself. We can be UNDER God's righteousness...under His wings of anointing. But the righteousness is always God's.

What you are doing is claiming that your filthy righteousness is actually God's. Which it is not.

He's been posting this for months to ME., and not just to me.
He posted this maybe 20 or 30 times within a few different Threads.
Now TODAY... he's suddenlhy switched to a different theology, and has reversed what he has been saying for months.
He does that a lot because he doesn't reallly know what to believe.
Get use to it.

Only your complete lack of understanding makes me appear to change what I say. You don't know what to believe.

 

[MatthewG]

I believe in salvation by faith but I can't find a single place where anyone is judged by anything but works:

Mt 7:23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Can anyone else? I mean, the statement above by the Lord seems to be more than being some sort of judgment for rewards. As everyone who claims the work judgements are for.

Based on faithlessness. They didn't love God or their neighbor. They worked iniquity, and Law was what showed iniquity all together. They didn't have mercy, or forgiveness. They just thought they were the Chosen ones.

Remeber when John the Baptist - said something like "Don't think just cause you from abarhama that means anything, God can turn these stones into sons" or something, or maybe Jesus said it idk I cant remember.

 

[Episkopos]

I thought he said that it is God that imputed His righteousness and not something we impute to ourselves?

God imputes righteousness to some..but never imputes His own righteousness. Abraham had the faith of Abraham and had the righteousness of Abraham.

Though Noah, Daniel, and Job were in it, as I live, saith the Lord God, they shall deliver neither son nor daughter; they shall but deliver their own souls by their righteousness.

 

[marks]

Philippians 3:6-11 KJV
6) Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
7) But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
8) Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
9) And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
10) That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
11) If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

Much love!

 

[Behold]

No. I said that no one is imputed with God's righteousness.

How many verses have i posted to you, by Paul.....that say that Abrham was imputed with Righteousness..........and so are the born again?

Look again., at this one.

"God imputeth righteousness without WORKS".... (Romans 4:8).

 

[Episkopos]

For the fourth or fifth time Epi........is our new man made in the image of He who created it. or not?. Is His Spirit and nature in us righteous and holy or not? Why do you keep avoiding discussing this?

Well, you don't seem to be able to read my answers.

I have told you many times...The New Man is only allowed to bear fruit in a soul when the Old Man is crucified. Jesus is the New Man. NO longer I but Christ. Put ON Christ.

So not only are you claiming to be as righteous as God, you are claiming to be equal with Jesus in the inner man. I guess if you believe the one you fall for the other.

Do I see many here as still walking in the Old Man sin nature yet claiming to be justified AS IF that nature was crucified? yes. Name it and claim it.

 

[MatthewG]

Philippians 3:6-11 KJV
6) Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
7) But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
8) Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
9) And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
10) That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
11) If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

Much love!

Yes, people can act morally and do good—like reporting child abuse to the authorities. That’s commendable citizenship.

But true goodness and righteousness within a believer come only from God.

There is earthly wisdom—choices and actions shaped by human understanding. And there is heavenly wisdom—choices and actions that flow from abiding in Christ Yeshua.

Anyone who claims that moral righteousness alone is the standard for entering heaven is deeply mistaken. That belief is rooted in pride, not truth.

Even I can’t claim absolute assurance of heaven for myself. But I trust in the promises: that through faith in the Son, Jesus, we are adopted as children of God and invited to share in what He has inherited.

When a believer does good to another in Christ, it’s not self-glorification—it’s a moment that glorifies God. It’s praise to the Father and the Son. It’s not your doing. You simply chose to abide in Christ and allowed Him to work through you.

“Do you not know that you are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in you?”

"For God wanted them to know that the riches and glory of Christ are for you Gentiles, too. And this is the secret: Christ lives in you. This gives you assurance of sharing his glory."

 

[Episkopos]

How many verses have i posted to you, by Paul.....that say that Abrham was imputed with Righteousness..........and so are the born again?

Look again., at this one.

"God imputeth righteousness without WORKS".... (Romans 4:8).

Reading skills. Yes, God both imputes righteousness without works AND also imputes righteousness by works. I have written this ad nauseum...no understanding from you. Indoctrination takes the mental powers away...

 

[Behold]

God imputes righteousness to some..but never imputes His own righteousness.

There is no other righteousness, other then God's.

Sinners dont have Rghteousness. They have Sin......and they may be forgiven their sin, but that does not make them righteous, it only makes them FORGIVEN.
They have to RECEIVE Righteousness from God, as "THe Gift of Righteousness", that is IMPUTED to them.
"God imputeth righteousness without WORKS".... (Romans 4:8).

 

[shepherdsword]

There are different aspects to what people think of as judgment. If you consider judgment to include being tossed into the lake of fire, that is based on whether or not your name is in the book of life. There are those who say that your works will determine that, so on and on it goes.

I take a more simple approach.

Let's hear your approach. Are you more confident than Paul when he said this?

2 Co 5:9-11
Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

Paul seemed to think that the judgement of us by Jesus is a terror. What do you think?

 

[Episkopos]

There is no other righteousness, other then God's.

That is false. God disagrees with you...and anyone with reading skills who owns a bible will also disagree with you. Indoctrinated people, dishonest ones...will agree you. So there's that.

Sinners dont have Rghteousness.

false. Abraham was a sinner. Job was a sinner. Abel was a sinner. David ....etc. All were saved by their righteousness before God.

They have Sin......and they may be forgiven their sin, but that does not make them righteous, it only makes them FORGIVEN.

false. God claims they are righteous. The fact is you are NOT righteous. So you don't know what righteousness is.

They have to RECEIVE Righteousness from God, as "THe Gift of Righteousness", that is IMPUTED to them.
"God imputeth righteousness without WORKS".... (Romans 4:8).

there are two different levels of righteousness in your statement proving you are a novice who can't handle the word.

 

[Behold]

Reading skills. Yes, God both imputes righteousness without works

There is only His Righteousness that He can Impute., as this is what makes the Believer "The Righteousness of GOD... in Christ".
See that?
"Righteousness OF GOD">. means its HIS Righteousness that is imputed.

AND also imputes righteousness by works.

The only Works that God will impute as Righteousness, is the Obedience of Christ.

In other words......the finished work of Jesus on the Cross, is the imputed righteousness of God.........given to a Believer, as "The Gift of Righteousness".

 

[Episkopos]

There is only His Righteousness that He can Impute., as this is what makes the Believer "The Righteousness of GOD... in Christ".
See that?
"Righteousness OF GOD">. means its HIS Righteousness that is imputed.



The only Works that God will impute as Righteousness, is the Obedience of Christ.

In other words......the finished work of Jesus on the Cross, is the imputed righteousness of God.........given to a Believer, as "The Gift of Righteousness".

All reformist propaganda and heretical.

 

[Behold]

That is false. God disagrees with you...and anyone with reading skills who owns a bible will also disagree with you. Indoctrinated people, dishonest ones...will agree you. So there's that.

You disagree with me, because you claim that Paul's Gospel is a "Delusion".
So, that is why you disagree with Paul, which is why you disagree with the the New Covenant.

false. Abraham was a sinner. Job was a sinner. Abel was a sinner. David ....etc. All were saved by their righteousness before God.

No verse says that Abrham was saved by His own Righteousness.
Stop lying.
The NT teaches that "Abraham's FAITH was counted to him, as (imputed) Righteousness".....and that is God's Righteousness,...... as a sinner does not have any righteousness.

Now Abraham, lived before the Law.......and "Where there is no law, there is no SIN". (Transgression).

false. God claims they are righteous. The fact is you are NOT righteous. So you don't know what righteousness is.

Paul teaches that "their faith was counted by God, as RIGHTEOUSNESS">

This is Paul's teaching, that is "The righteousness of Faith".....or the "imputed righteousness".

Bible 101

 

[amigo de christo]

There are different aspects to what people think of as judgment. If you consider judgment to include being tossed into the lake of fire, that is based on whether or not your name is in the book of life. There are those who say that your works will determine that, so on and on it goes.

I take a more simple approach. And I do not agree with your understanding of what Jesus meant in never knowing them. That implies a 2-step salvation that only works if you make the second step. That you can "believe in Christ", be saved, but never reach the intimacy so that your salvation "takes".

I don't believe that is Scriptural, as the Bible portrays that being baptized into Christ makes us permanently His.

Much love!

Speaking of the BOOK of LIFE
I know for a fact those who denied GOD wont be in that book .
And now a word .
IF YA DENY JESUS IS THE CHRIST , IF Ya try and lip oh its okay if one beleives not
GUESS WHO YOU CALL A LIAR and THUS DO DENY . GOD ALL MIGHTY .
SO
i know WHO saves . I KNOW a sure fire way one will not end up in such a place .
HIS NAME JESUS CHRIST and
what must i do , sirs to be saved , ITS CALLED TIME TO BELIEVE IN HIM .

 

[Behold]

All reformist propaganda and heretical.

Paul's Gospel is not "propaganda" and its not "heretical".
Only a religious Legalist would state that it's both.

Your gospel is : Galatians 1:8, as you certainly dont believe or teach Paul's Gospel. @Episkopos

 

[amigo de christo]

I keep things real simple
but that is why i be so hated by so so many . But remember
By grace I DID POINT TO JESUS THE CHRIST and did say YE MUST BELEIVE ON HIM .
And did remind and warn all to get in the bible and learn from HIM .
cause another jesus wont be saving . JESUS saves
another lovespel or what they say is gospel , WONT SAVE its damns .

 

[Episkopos]

God never sees righteousness IN a sinner., as they dont have any.

In your scheme you, being a sinner without any righteousness whatsoever, can then claim to have God's own righteousness imputed to you...because you are a sinner. So your whole scheme falls apart and is based on lawlessness and unrighteousness.

 

[MatthewG]

Yes, people can act morally and do good—like reporting child abuse to the authorities. That’s commendable citizenship.

But true goodness and righteousness within a believer come only from God.

There is earthly wisdom—choices and actions shaped by human understanding. And there is heavenly wisdom—choices and actions that flow from abiding in Christ Yeshua.

Anyone who claims that moral righteousness alone is the standard for entering heaven is deeply mistaken. That belief is rooted in pride, not truth.

Even I can’t claim absolute assurance of heaven for myself. But I trust in the promises: that through faith in the Son, Jesus, we are adopted as children of God and invited to share in what He has inherited.

When a believer does good to another in Christ, it’s not self-glorification—it’s a moment that glorifies God. It’s praise to the Father and the Son. It’s not your doing. You simply chose to abide in Christ and allowed Him to work through you.

“Do you not know that you are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in you?”

"For God wanted them to know that the riches and glory of Christ are for you Gentiles, too. And this is the secret: Christ lives in you. This gives you assurance of sharing his glory."

The part you dont want to accept is that --- you will always be faithful - and you will always be righteous! There are people out there that SEEK to be HATED because that is what they think is a good Christian.... Seeking for that type of attention is - arrogant and pride-filled trip.

Ah the flawed human, who can never get it right, thank God for Jesus.

 

[amigo de christo]

What i just read proves what i have long known
Someone whose name i wont mention
Their mind is much like baskin and robbins
only its thirty one flavors of confusion . Folks get in the BIBLE .