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isaiah 53:6

All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

isaiah 56:11
Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.


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6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

6:34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

Do not worry
IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE OR AFTER THE TRIBULATION?

ye first seek kingdom of God and his righteousness, then the rapture shall be added unto you, but after you dead as the rise first who dead in Christ.

2 Timothy 2:11
It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
 
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isaiah 53:6

All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

isaiah 56:11
Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.


matthew
6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

6:34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

Do not worry
IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE OR AFTER THE TRIBULATION?

ye first seek kingdom of God and his righteousness, then the rapture shall be added unto you, but after you dead as the rise first who dead in Christ.

2 Timothy 2:11
It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
Yes, God has poured out His spirit upon all flesh--both on the good and on the evil--and what a mess we have made!
 

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Yes, God has poured out His spirit upon all flesh--both on the good and on the evil--and what a mess we have made!
Blame the prophet or the disciple for not speaking clearly, or the reader for poor reading comprehension.

God damned the man made rapture cult.
 
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Blame the prophet or the disciple for not speaking clearly, or the reader for poor reading comprehension.

God damned the man made rapture cult.
It's all intentional--all by design. That we all should suffer the revelation of our own sinfulness being made manifest before the Judgement, not fully revealed until the end. This is that time. But those were the terms given in the garden.
 

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Quoting Bible verses without context doesn’t carry much weight.
It’s strange how quickly people condemn the world—
as if judgment is the only lens worth using.
But God loves the world as it is, because of what Jesus accomplished.
That doesn’t mean it’s okay to harm others or crush their dreams.
But being honest and real with people? That’s powerful.
Don’t lose yourself in this world.
Know who you are in Christ.
And remember: don’t be overly righteous, but don’t be foolish either.
 

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Quoting Bible verses without context doesn’t carry much weight.
It’s strange how quickly people condemn the world—
as if judgment is the only lens worth using.
But God loves the world as it is, because of what Jesus accomplished.
That doesn’t mean it’s okay to harm others or crush their dreams.
But being honest and real with people? That’s powerful.
Don’t lose yourself in this world.
Know who you are in Christ.
And remember: don’t be overly righteous, but don’t be foolish either.
we dont condemn the world , JUST cause we expose its evil
we dont condmen the lost just cause we preach TIME to repent to beleive on JESUS
ITS THOSE WHO deny HIM and follow this broad path sin accepting one that condemn themselves .
I hope that helps my friend .
 
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Quoting Bible verses without context doesn’t carry much weight.
It’s strange how quickly people condemn the world—
as if judgment is the only lens worth using.
But God loves the world as it is, because of what Jesus accomplished.
That doesn’t mean it’s okay to harm others or crush their dreams.
But being honest and real with people? That’s powerful.
Don’t lose yourself in this world.
Know who you are in Christ.
And remember: don’t be overly righteous, but don’t be foolish either.
Perhaps I am on my way, and others on their own ways.

No one cuts off another's path, even God didn't say to any of us "stop your cult!"

But God says it in the Bible.
 

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Perhaps I am on my way, and others on their own ways.

No one cuts off another's path, even God didn't say to any of us "stop your cult!"

But God says it in the Bible.

Christian Ultra Libertarians (not political) for Truth is not a cult, it's rather an institution concerning learning about the Bible, yet at the same time not trusting the producer of the material. Either way, I can only suggest that I can't judge the world as a whole. There will always be people who differ with me and you both equally.
 

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Christian Ultra Libertarians (not political) for Truth is not a cult, it's rather an institution concerning learning about the Bible, yet at the same time not trusting the producer of the material. Either way, I can only suggest that I can't judge the world as a whole. There will always be people who differ with me and you both equally.
Sometimes I think it's like a lake. If everyone spoke the same and correct word of God, the lake would be too calm. So much so that it becomes stagnant water, I think God might prefer to see us argue directly with each other and make the water more active and living water.

Titus 1:9
Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.


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Sometimes I think it's like a lake. If everyone spoke the same and correct word of God, the lake would be too calm. So much so that it becomes stagnant water, I think God might prefer to see us argue directly with each other and make the water more active and living water.

Titus 1:9
Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.


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Yeah but that verse is not written to you. So yeah while the waters of the World try to take you in, just remember Jesus is right there to get you back up from that insufferable way and place. Get above the water... stand on it. Let Jesus hold you above those waters that want to DROWN you out. lol




I love having differences of opinions with people, I just hope they come to truth.
 
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Yeah but that verse is not written to you. So yeah while the waters of the World try to take you in, just remember Jesus is right there to get you back up from that insufferable way and place. Get above the water... stand on it. Let Jesus hold you above those waters that want to DROWN you out. lol




I love having differences of opinions with people, I just hope they come to truth.
Use lightweight polymer materials on the soles of your feet, wear long pants to cover your feet, and you can walk on water.

LOL.
 

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Use lightweight polymer materials on the soles of your feet, wear long pants to cover your feet, and you can walk on water.

LOL.

A Reflection on Peter, Water, and the World.
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Do you recall the moment when Jesus approached the disciples, walking on the sea? They were terrified, thinking He was a ghost, until He spoke and calmed their fears (Matthew 14:26–27). This scene is rich with symbolic meaning.

Water, in this context, can be understood as a metaphor for the world—chaotic, unstable, and often overwhelming. In Genesis 1:2, the earth was “formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep,” until God brought order. Water has long represented both creation and chaos, a duality that echoes throughout Scripture.
When Yeshua (Jesus) walked upon the water, He demonstrated mastery over the world’s chaos.

This act was not merely miraculous—it was emblematic of divine authority and the power of faith to transcend worldly fear. As Jesus said in John 16:33, “In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world.”

Peter’s response is deeply human. At first, he steps out in faith, walking toward Jesus. But when he notices the wind and the waves—symbols of worldly distraction and fear—he begins to sink (Matthew 14:30). This mirrors the spiritual struggle many face: the pull of “the traditions of men” (Mark 7:8), the weight of cultural expectations, and the distractions that erode trust in God..

Like Jonah swallowed by the great fish (Jonah 1:17), Peter is engulfed by the deep. But unlike Jonah, Peter is not alone. Jesus immediately reaches out His hand and saves him (Matthew 14:31), a gesture that embodies divine mercy and the ever-present help of God for those who call out in faith.

Theological Significance

Your interpretation beautifully captures the tension between faith and fear, between divine transcendence and human frailty. The story of Peter walking on water is not just historical—it’s allegorical. It invites us to examine how we respond when the world’s chaos threatens to drown our trust. Do we fix our eyes on Christ, or do we sink beneath the waves?

This reflection aligns with Hebrews 12:2, which urges believers to “fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith.” It also echoes Psalm 69:1–2, where the psalmist cries, “Save me, O God! For the waters have come up to my neck.”
 
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All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

The Lord (God) hath laid on (Jesus) the sin of us all".., was prophecied 700 yrs before Jesus died on the Cross for our sin.

= " He (God) hath made Jesus to be sin......for us".... Is Paul's verse......2 Corin chapter 5
 

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A Reflection on Peter, Water, and the World.
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Do you recall the moment when Jesus approached the disciples, walking on the sea? They were terrified, thinking He was a ghost, until He spoke and calmed their fears (Matthew 14:26–27). This scene is rich with symbolic meaning.

Water, in this context, can be understood as a metaphor for the world—chaotic, unstable, and often overwhelming. In Genesis 1:2, the earth was “formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep,” until God brought order. Water has long represented both creation and chaos, a duality that echoes throughout Scripture.
When Yeshua (Jesus) walked upon the water, He demonstrated mastery over the world’s chaos.

This act was not merely miraculous—it was emblematic of divine authority and the power of faith to transcend worldly fear. As Jesus said in John 16:33, “In the world you will have tribulation. But take heart; I have overcome the world.”

Peter’s response is deeply human. At first, he steps out in faith, walking toward Jesus. But when he notices the wind and the waves—symbols of worldly distraction and fear—he begins to sink (Matthew 14:30). This mirrors the spiritual struggle many face: the pull of “the traditions of men” (Mark 7:8), the weight of cultural expectations, and the distractions that erode trust in God..

Like Jonah swallowed by the great fish (Jonah 1:17), Peter is engulfed by the deep. But unlike Jonah, Peter is not alone. Jesus immediately reaches out His hand and saves him (Matthew 14:31), a gesture that embodies divine mercy and the ever-present help of God for those who call out in faith.

Theological Significance

Your interpretation beautifully captures the tension between faith and fear, between divine transcendence and human frailty. The story of Peter walking on water is not just historical—it’s allegorical. It invites us to examine how we respond when the world’s chaos threatens to drown our trust. Do we fix our eyes on Christ, or do we sink beneath the waves?

This reflection aligns with Hebrews 12:2, which urges believers to “fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith.” It also echoes Psalm 69:1–2, where the psalmist cries, “Save me, O God! For the waters have come up to my neck.”
I've never really thought about it, but you're absolutely right.
 

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The Lord (God) hath laid on (Jesus) the sin of us all"..

= " He (God) hath made Jesus to be sin......for us".
So that ALL who do ...................
i say again all who do BELEIVE ON HIM shall be saved .
For if ye beleive not that I AM HE , said JESUS , ye shall DIE in your sins .
Now , IF JESUS said it , GOD SAID IT and well , HE DONT LIE . Preach JESUS to the last breath my friend .
 
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I've never really thought about it, but you're absolutely right.
Praise God, and may He give you growth. I’m just here to plant or water—just as Paul and Apollos did. ‘I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the increase’ (1 Corinthians 3:6).

It’s not about who plants or who waters, but about the One who makes it grow.

So I’ll keep doing my part, trusting that the Lord will do His. ‘So neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but only God, who makes things grow’ (1 Corinthians 3:7). May He bless you with wisdom, strength, and spiritual increase.
 
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