Go and Sin no more...is this possible?

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Jack

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Having SIN and Committing SIN are two Different things!
Total evasive!
I doubt you understand the Difference since you EVADED answering What you think the word SIN means.
You cannot sin but look at this FILTH you recently posted.

"No in precise words I hate gays and support human love toward all people."

You just SINNED! Not to mention TOTAL contradiction!
 

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In #370 you (by accident I think) said "Correct".

No. That Is Correct.



Jack does not know the difference between HAVING SIN and COMMITTING SIN.

Correct. I do NOT commit Sin.

Jack doesn’t know WHY, so he does what he does know how to do…
Falsely Accuse…
Because he is without understanding.
 

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No. That Is Correct.

Jack does not know the difference between HAVING SIN and COMMITTING SIN.

Correct. I do NOT commit Sin.

Jack doesn’t know WHY, so he does what he does know how to do…
Falsely Accuse…
Because he is without understanding.

I don't understand either, perhaps you can explain what you mean by : the difference between HAVING SIN and COMMITTING SIN.
 

Jack

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No. That Is Correct.

Jack does not know the difference between HAVING SIN and COMMITTING SIN.

Correct. I do NOT commit Sin.

Jack doesn’t know WHY, so he does what he does know how to do…
Falsely Accuse…
Because he is without understanding.
I know total evasion when I see it.
 

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I believe it's possible and expected that we stop sinning.
Does God have "expectations" of us? He knows everything we're going to do or not do. I think God doesn't have expectations in the way we think of this, rather, He has foreknowledge.

Much love!
 

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So what happens to John who admitted that he could sin? Is John going to Hell.

1 John 1:8-10
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

John included himself at least 13 times!
John wrote in "inclusive" language. We sometimes do that when we want the reader to have a personal stake in what is read. So when we read the words, we consider whether we are the ones being addressed.

1 John 1:1-10 KJV
1) That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
2) (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)
3) That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
4) And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
5) This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6) If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7) But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8) If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9) If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10) If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

"If we walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth", John is not saying this of himself particularly, rather, to whom it does apply. John is not proposing it may be that he himself is walking in darkness, lying, as he pens Scripture.

"If we walk in the light . . ." "If we say we have no sin", "we deceive ourselves", again, inclusive statements, true of those to whom they apply. The one who is walking in the light is clearly not the one who walks in darkness.

The crux of the matter is in verse 9, if we confess our sin He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins (so in fact, did He?), and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness (so in fact, did He?).

Because if it's true that He did forgive our sins, that He did cleanse us from all unrighteousness, well, that takes me to places like Romans 7, where twice Paul wrote, ". . . therefore it is no more I, but sin that lives in me."

So that in the inner man, we serve God, though the body still serves sin.

Therefore, the need to renew our minds, to take control of our perverted flesh, to make the body serve the will of the Lord, and no longer it's own corrupt lusts.

Much love!
 

Jack

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John wrote in "inclusive" language. We sometimes do that when we want the reader to have a personal stake in what is read. So when we read the words, we consider whether we are the ones being addressed.

1 John 1:1-10 KJV
1) That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
2) (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)
3) That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
4) And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
5) This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6) If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7) But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8) If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9) If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10) If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

"If we walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth", John is not saying this of himself particularly, rather, to whom it does apply. John is not proposing it may be that he himself is walking in darkness, lying, as he pens Scripture.

"If we walk in the light . . ." "If we say we have no sin", "we deceive ourselves", again, inclusive statements, true of those to whom they apply. The one who is walking in the light is clearly not the one who walks in darkness.

The crux of the matter is in verse 9, if we confess our sin He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins (so in fact, did He?), and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness (so in fact, did He?).

Because if it's true that He did forgive our sins, that He did cleanse us from all unrighteousness, well, that takes me to places like Romans 7, where twice Paul wrote, ". . . therefore it is no more I, but sin that lives in me."

So that in the inner man, we serve God, though the body still serves sin.

Therefore, the need to renew our minds, to take control of our perverted flesh, to make the body serve the will of the Lord, and no longer it's own corrupt lusts.

Much love!
Did Jesus ever use 'inclusive' language like John did?
 

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Total evasive!

You cannot sin but look at this FILTH you recently posted.

"No in precise words I hate gays and support human love toward all people."

You just SINNED! Not to mention TOTAL contradiction!


Time to educate the utterly gaslighting ignorant.


Every Human is Naturally Conceived and Born IN Sin…

Sin is Against God.
Against God is having NO Belief IN God.

So if you say you HAVE NO Sin, you ARE Void of the Truth in you.

I have Said I was naturally born IN SIN. Which means I HAVE Sin IN me… DUH

So your claim is a Lie.

What I received from The Lord God, Is Forgiveness of my Sin Against God of having NOT believed in Him when I was naturally Born.

My SIN IN ME… is Forgiven SIN!

Your claim is a Lie.

What I have IN me NOW, IS Gods SEED, a SEED that birthed me a New Spirit, a New Truth which IS Gods Truth.

I also Have IN me, Gods Spirit, which is Gods POWER, which Forbids, Keeps me From EVER AGAIN…
To be Against God.
To Not believe In the Lord God Almighty.

Me “NEVER AGAIN” being ABLE to Sin (not believe in God)…
Means NEVER AGAIN can I SIN against God..

You show your ignorance by not knowing WHAT SIN IS… what Have means…what committing sin means … is on you, regardless of your repetitive false claims.

I HAVE “forgiven sin” IN my body…
I HAVE “Gods Seed” IN my Circumcised Heart.
I HAVE “Gods Truth” IN me.
I Have “Gods Power” IN me.

IF the Same “applied to YOU”…
“YOU” would understand…
Every human Body is born IN Sin.
Every human person “HAS” Sin in their Natural Body…

A FEW HAVE “Forgiven Sin and Covered Sin”.

I will presume that does not apply to you…since you are having a fit trying to proclaim Everyone is like you… walking about “with Sin “still not forgiven”…and that you still “COMMIT” sin.

I no longer CAN or do “Commit” Sin…
It is the “Gift I received From the Lord God”…
Never again Can I Sin…not believe in God.

You waltz about claiming other people commit Sin… (like you do).

I have Zero obligation to believe IN YOU.
I chose to have a relationship WITH God.

If you are against God, your problem.
If you still commit Sin Against God, your problem.
If you are still lugging around your Sin Against God, your problem
If you claim people commit SIN against you, your problem.

I can not Sin against God.
And I can Not sin Against YOU.

Only God can forgive Sin….. DUH…. Because SIN IS AGAINST God!

And “wake up”… you are not God!

Now since you proclaim to Follow Scripture…
But reveal you don’t understand it…

Mull on this…

God has Forgiven my Sin… and Given me His Seed… and Birthed me a New spirit…
What The Lord says applies to me I will repeat as many times as I choose… because I Trust and Believe what the Lord God says IS TRUE!

1 John 3:
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin,because he is born of God.

Since you are wagging your tongue, pointing your finger making YOUR claims WHO HAS sin and WHO is committing SIN…. I will presume you are speaking of yourself, not Having Forgiveness or the Seed of God IN you.

Maybe you will be comforted knowing you are among “the Many” who believe and DO as you Do… tongue wagging, finger pointing, gaslighting.

I am among the FEW… putting up with the Constant Tribulations…(as Jesus warned)… from people like you.

And another lesson for the ignorant…
You claim me saying “I hate gays”… is FILTH.

Rom 9:
[13] As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

Luke 14:
[26] If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.


By your own claims SAYING to Hate someone is FILTH…

So in essence … for you to not be a Liar…do you also claim Jesus spoke FILTH?

Obvious you are ignorant of what words mean.
 

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Time to educate the utterly gaslighting ignorant.


Every Human is Naturally Conceived and Born IN Sin…

Sin is Against God.
Against God is having NO Belief IN God.

So if you say you HAVE NO Sin, you ARE Void of the Truth in you.

I have Said I was naturally born IN SIN. Which means I HAVE Sin IN me… DUH

So your claim is a Lie.

What I received from The Lord God, Is Forgiveness of my Sin Against God of having NOT believed in Him when I was naturally Born.

My SIN IN ME… is Forgiven SIN!

Your claim is a Lie.

What I have IN me NOW, IS Gods SEED, a SEED that birthed me a New Spirit, a New Truth which IS Gods Truth.

I also Have IN me, Gods Spirit, which is Gods POWER, which Forbids, Keeps me From EVER AGAIN…
To be Against God.
To Not believe In the Lord God Almighty.

Me “NEVER AGAIN” being ABLE to Sin (not believe in God)…
Means NEVER AGAIN can I SIN against God..

You show your ignorance by not knowing WHAT SIN IS… what Have means…what committing sin means … is on you, regardless of your repetitive false claims.

I HAVE “forgiven sin” IN my body…
I HAVE “Gods Seed” IN my Circumcised Heart.
I HAVE “Gods Truth” IN me.
I Have “Gods Power” IN me.

IF the Same “applied to YOU”…
“YOU” would understand…
Every human Body is born IN Sin.
Every human person “HAS” Sin in their Natural Body…

A FEW HAVE “Forgiven Sin and Covered Sin”.

I will presume that does not apply to you…since you are having a fit trying to proclaim Everyone is like you… walking about “with Sin “still not forgiven”…and that you still “COMMIT” sin.

I no longer CAN or do “Commit” Sin…
It is the “Gift I received From the Lord God”…
Never again Can I Sin…not believe in God.

You waltz about claiming other people commit Sin… (like you do).

I have Zero obligation to believe IN YOU.
I chose to have a relationship WITH God.

If you are against God, your problem.
If you still commit Sin Against God, your problem.
If you are still lugging around your Sin Against God, your problem
If you claim people commit SIN against you, your problem.

I can not Sin against God.
And I can Not sin Against YOU.

Only God can forgive Sin….. DUH…. Because SIN IS AGAINST God!

And “wake up”… you are not God!

Now since you proclaim to Follow Scripture…
But reveal you don’t understand it…

Mull on this…

God has Forgiven my Sin… and Given me His Seed… and Birthed me a New spirit…
What The Lord says applies to me I will repeat as many times as I choose… because I Trust and Believe what the Lord God says IS TRUE!

1 John 3:
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin,because he is born of God.

Since you are wagging your tongue, pointing your finger making YOUR claims WHO HAS sin and WHO is committing SIN…. I will presume you are speaking of yourself, not Having Forgiveness or the Seed of God IN you.

Maybe you will be comforted knowing you are among “the Many” who believe and DO as you Do… tongue wagging, finger pointing, gaslighting.

I am among the FEW… putting up with the Constant Tribulations…(as Jesus warned)… from people like you.

And another lesson for the ignorant…
You claim me saying “I hate gays”… is FILTH.

Rom 9:
[13] As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

Luke 14:
[26] If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.


By your own claims SAYING to Hate someone is FILTH…

So in essence … for you to not be a Liar…do you also claim Jesus spoke FILTH?

Obvious you are ignorant of what words mean.
Nice smokescreen, but your Satanic comment is still here, O saint who NEVER sins.

"No in precise words I hate gays and support human love toward all people."

Maybe God will forgive you if you humble yourself and ask Him.
 

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I don't understand either, perhaps you can explain what you mean by : the difference between HAVING SIN and COMMITTING SIN.

Post #388

And by the way… that which Jack does not obviously know.
Hate is Not the opposite of Love.
Hate is a strong dislike.
Love is to do what is Right, regardless of the consequences.

God Loves all of His creations and Hates (strongly dislikes) many of His creations.

Men can Love all other men and Hate (strongly dislike) A few or many other men.

Apparently Jack thinks it is “FILTHY” to hate gays….because he knows many who are “nice”.

Nice is irrelevant.
Lots of people AGAINST God “are nice”.

Being “nice” IS Not the Factor that determines IF a person IS WITH or AGAINST God.
 

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Did Jesus ever use 'inclusive' language like John did?
Yes, but not in the same way as John, I don't think. The first thing that comes to mind was when Jesus was speaking to the woman of Sychar. "We worship what we know, because salvation is of the Jews." But I'm not thinking of a place where He spoke in terms of "we may be in this group, or we may be in that group" sort of speech.

In fact, this is one of the things that scholars look at as they study the various writers, that each has their own vocabulary, their own writing style, their own use of idioms, like that.

Much love!
 

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Nice smokescreen, but your Satanic comment is still here, O saint who NEVER sins.

"No in precise words I hate gays and support human love toward all people."

Maybe God will forgive you if you humble yourself and ask Him.

I have a very good relationship with my Lord God Almighty…
Which has Nothing to do with the very unpleasant relationship with you.

The Lord God did not will men to be ignorant, but doesn’t stop men who insist on being ignorant.

So how about you go share your ignorant views and gaslighting with someone who likes being tormented with such crap?
 

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Post #388

And by the way… that which Jack does not obviously know.
Hate is Not the opposite of Love.
Hate is a strong dislike.
Love is to do what is Right, regardless of the consequences.

God Loves all of His creations and Hates (strongly dislikes) many of His creations.

Men can Love all other men and Hate (strongly dislike) A few or many other men.

Apparently Jack thinks it is “FILTHY” to hate gays….because he knows many who are “nice”.

Nice is irrelevant.
Lots of people AGAINST God “are nice”.

Being “nice” IS Not the Factor that determines IF a person IS WITH or AGAINST God.
Jesus said, "Love your enemies" so that makes your "I hate gays" SIN!
 

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I have a very good relationship with my Lord God Almighty…
So He approves of your utter hatred?
Which has Nothing to do with the very unpleasant relationship with you.

The Lord God did not will men to be ignorant, but doesn’t stop men who insist on being ignorant.

So how about you go share your ignorant views and gaslighting with someone who likes being tormented with such crap?
How many of you in the NEVER SIN folks approve of Taken's comment?:

"No in precise words I hate gays and support human love toward all people."
 

Jack

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He approves of my relationship with Him!
So God approves of " "No in precise words I hate gays and support human love toward all people."?

That sounds more like Satan.
 

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So He approves of your utter hatred?

How many of you in the NEVER SIN folks approve of Taken's comment?:

"No in precise words I hate gays and support human love toward all people."

Why lie?

“No such thing as a human man who has “NEVER SINNED”…

Ya think …. SIN “no More”… means a person has never sinned?

Get a dictionary…stop embarrassing yourself.
 

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Why lie?

“No such thing as a human man who has “NEVER SINNED”…

Ya think …. SIN “no More”… means a person has never sinned?

Get a dictionary…stop embarrassing yourself.
Enjoy your HATRED while you can. Judgment Day is dead ahead and I think Jesus will remember your comment well! Have fun with your hatred. I love gays. That's what Christians do. Repentance is a gift from God. Maybe you can't repent? Bye