I truly believe most of those who cling to Premillennialism do so because it is what they have been taught. Having been deceived by well-meaning people, who have themselves been deceived by what they too have been taught! Because sadly so many in the Church do not (for many reasons) truly seek and study the Bible, but are content with what sayeth the Pastor, or Bible Teacher. Why? Mostly, being busy they find their time is better spent relying on commentaries, Pastors and well-meaning, but indoctrinated teachers, and when they are used, the only commentaries they use are those who have also been taught at universities and seminaries like Dallas Theological Seminary, which teach Premillennial Dispensationalism. IOW, most don't LEARN biblical doctrine by studying the Bible, they are simply content to continue to perpetuate what they have been taught, assuming what they have been taught is True Bible doctrine. And sadly, many believe their doctrines to be pure and do NOT wish to hear anything different than what they have been taught!
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I truly believe most of those who cling to Premillennialism do so because it is what they have been taught. Having been deceived by well-meaning people, who have themselves been deceived by what they too have been taught! Because sadly so many in the Church do not (for many reasons) truly seek and study the Bible, but are content with what sayeth the Pastor, or Bible Teacher. Why? Mostly, being busy they find their time is better spent relying on commentaries, Pastors and well-meaning, but indoctrinated teachers, and when they are used, the only commentaries they use are those who have also been taught at universities and seminaries like Dallas Theological Seminary, which teach Premillennial Dispensationalism. IOW, most don't LEARN biblical doctrine by studying the Bible, they are simply content to continue to perpetuate what they have been taught, assuming what they have been taught is True Bible doctrine. And sadly, many believe their doctrines to be pure and do NOT wish to hear anything different than what they have been taught!
We get our truth from God's Word. I am still waiting for a Pretrib proof-text from you or any other Pretrib. To me it seems like an hallucination.
You are a man of the Word. Stick to that. Chat GPT is all over the place. It tells you what you want. Ask it what it thinks about abortion or homosexuality.
While I have been impressed by some of the replies you received from Chat Gpt which I'm guessing are the result of your specificity. My fear is that it too can be addictive and simply be another means by which Christians use rather than allowing Scripture to be our teacher. Having said this, I don't mean to suggest you have done this, because you're replies repeatedly prove you are one whose doctrine is informed by "what sayeth the Word of God"! Many blessings Scott
Oh, I am fully aware of everything that goes on around me. It is just another tool. Scripture is our teacher. But so also say the false teachers.
When I give it the right frame of reference found in scriptures, it reaches the same conclusion I hear in myself. It does have to prompted, or reminded to look at certain scriptures for it form a good response, and it is a machine. It may offer various interpretations on various believed doctrines, but in my use it agrees with the amillennial views. In a way it is like a sounding board, and is a good way to think through some things.
It can sharpen your mind, make you think about scripture more than you may otherwise, it is an interaction with an intelligent machine.
And sort of fun to see what it says.
People are going to be using more AI in the years ahead.
It is good thing to become familiar with what many people including believers are going to be using.
I watched on the news, there is a private school using AI as the teacher, with people for guidance. Elementary and middle schoolers are reading, learning science, math grades way ahead of their peers in public schools, grades ahead. And the students are enjoying school a lot more than when in public school.
I found the news video only plays in Chrome not Edge.
Inside the $40,000 a year school where AI shapes every lesson, without teachers
At Alpha Schools, students spend two hours in the morning on academics, working at their own speed using AI-driven software.
www.cbsnews.com
Here is a chat I had on the Day of Judgement, how there is only one judgment, not two.
Here is a chat on Jesus as God
Here is chat on the second coming
Here is a chat on Jesus as God
Here is chat on the second coming
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This thread is about refuting Pretrib, not Premill.
But, since you said what you did here, I'll address it. Isaiah 2:1-4 is a reference to things relating to "the last days" (see verse 2).
According to scripture, the last days refer to the time period between the first and second coming of Christ, not to a supposed time period after the second coming of Christ. We can see that from these passages...
Acts 2:16 But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel: 17 ‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your young men shall see visions, Your old men shall dream dreams. 18 And on My menservants and on My maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days; And they shall prophesy. I will show wonders in heaven above And signs in the earth beneath: Blood and fire and vapor of smoke. 20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord. 21 And it shall come to pass That whoever calls on the name of the Lord Shall be saved.’
Peter referred to what was happening long ago on the day of Pentecost as being part of "the last days" during which God would pour out His Spirit and during which people would call on the name of the Lord and be saved. So, "the last days" began long ago already. You have to take that into consideration when reading Isaiah 2:1-4.
Then there is this passage...
2 Peter 3:3 knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.”
So, here, Peter indicates that the last days would be the time during which scoffers would scoff at the idea of the promise of Christ's second coming. Obviously, once He actually comes no one will be scoffing any more, so the last days will end when Jesus comes again. You need to learn to interpret scripture with scripture. Doing so requires you to not try to place the timing of "the last days" in some different time period than scripture itself does.
2 Peter 3 is very clear about what happens on the return of Christ to the unbelieving world of the ungodly, they go to perdition, hellfire, and the world also is burned up and dissolved. Then God gives us a new earth in which dwells righteousness, meaning in the new world, evil won't exist. The people of God inherit the new earth, new world. They are gathered to Him, while the angels gather the wicked to the eternal fires.
Mathew 13
51 [d]Jesus said to them, “Have you understood all these things?”
They said to Him, “Yes, [e]Lord.”
52 Then He said to them, “Therefore every [f]scribe instructed [g]concerning the kingdom of heaven is like a householder who brings out of his treasure things new and old.”
37 He answered and said to them: “He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. 38 The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one. 39 The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels. 40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. 41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!
Matthew 3:11-13
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11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit [a]and fire. 12 His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”Mathew 13
The Parable of the Dragnet
47 “Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a dragnet that was cast into the sea and gathered some of every kind, 48 which, when it was full, they drew to shore; and they sat down and gathered the good into vessels, but threw the bad away. 49 So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just, 50 and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”51 [d]Jesus said to them, “Have you understood all these things?”
They said to Him, “Yes, [e]Lord.”
52 Then He said to them, “Therefore every [f]scribe instructed [g]concerning the kingdom of heaven is like a householder who brings out of his treasure things new and old.”
The Parable of the Wheat and the Tares
24 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field; 25 but while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat and went his way. 26 But when the grain had sprouted and produced a crop, then the tares also appeared. 27 So the servants of the owner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?’ 28 He said to them, ‘An enemy has done this.’ The servants said to him, ‘Do you want us then to go and gather them up?’ 29 But he said, ‘No, lest while you gather up the tares you also uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.” ’ ”The Parable of the Tares Explained
36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him, saying, “Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field.”37 He answered and said to them: “He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. 38 The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one. 39 The enemy who sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are the angels. 40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. 41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!
The Purpose of Parables
10 And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?”11 He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the [a]mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. 12 For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 13 Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14 And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says:
‘Hearing you will hear and shall not understand,
And seeing you will see and not perceive;
15 For the hearts of this people have grown dull.
Their ears are hard of hearing,
And their eyes they have closed,
Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears,
Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
So that I [b]should heal them.’
16 But blessed are your eyes for they see, and your ears for they hear; 17 for assuredly, I say to you that many prophets and righteous men desired to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it.
Mark 4
The Purpose of Parables
10 But when He was alone, those around Him with the twelve asked Him about the parable. 11 And He said to them, “To you it has been given to know the [d]mystery of the kingdom of God; but to those who are outside, all things come in parables, 12 so that‘Seeing they may see and not perceive,
And hearing they may hear and not understand;
Lest they should turn,
And their sins be forgiven them.’ ”
The Parable of the Mustard Seed
31 Another parable He put forth to them, saying: “The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and sowed in his field, 32 which indeed is the least of all the seeds; but when it is grown it is greater than the herbs and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the air come and nest in its branches.”The Parable of the Leaven
33 Another parable He spoke to them: “The kingdom of heaven is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three [c]measures of meal till it was all leavened.”Prophecy and the Parables
34 All these things Jesus spoke to the multitude in parables; and without a parable He did not speak to them, 35 that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying:“I will open My mouth in parables;
I will utter things kept secret from the foundation of the world.”
The Parable of the Minas
11 Now as they heard these things, He spoke another parable, because He was near Jerusalem and because they thought the kingdom of God would appear immediately. 12 Therefore He said: “A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and to return. 13 So he called ten of his servants, delivered to them ten [e]minas, and said to them, ‘Do business till I come.’ 14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a delegation after him, saying, ‘We will not have this man to reign over us.’15 “And so it was that when he returned, having received the kingdom, he then commanded these servants, to whom he had given the money, to be called to him, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading. 16 Then came the first, saying, ‘Master, your mina has earned ten minas.’ 17 And he said to him, ‘Well done, good servant; because you were faithful in a very little, have authority over ten cities.’ 18 And the second came, saying, ‘Master, your mina has earned five minas.’ 19 Likewise he said to him, ‘You also be over five cities.’
20 “Then another came, saying, ‘Master, here is your mina, which I have kept put away in a handkerchief. 21 For I feared you, because you are [f]an austere man. You collect what you did not deposit, and reap what you did not sow.’ 22 And he said to him, ‘Out of your own mouth I will judge you, you wicked servant. You knew that I was an austere man, collecting what I did not deposit and reaping what I did not sow. 23 Why then did you not put my money in the bank, that at my coming I might have collected it with interest?’
24 “And he said to those who stood by, ‘Take the mina from him, and give it to him who has ten minas.’ 25 (But they said to him, ‘Master, he has ten minas.’) 26 ‘For I say to you, that to everyone who has will be given; and from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 27 But bring here those enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, and slay them before me.’ ”
When Christ returns, he hands out rewards to His faithful people, but those who have done nothing with what He had given them, He takes away from them all they have, and gives it to those who have. And the wicked who did not want Him to reign over them, He commands they be slain.
God is not fooling around, when He judges the world.
Jeremiah 25
27 “Therefore you shall say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel: “Drink, be drunk, and vomit! Fall and rise no more, because of the sword which I will send among you.” ’ 28 And it shall be, if they refuse to take the cup from your hand to drink, then you shall say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord of hosts: “You shall certainly drink! 29 For behold, I begin to bring calamity on the city which is called by My name, and should you be utterly unpunished? You shall not be unpunished, for I will call for a sword on all the inhabitants of the earth,” says the Lord of hosts.’
30 “Therefore prophesy against them all these words, and say to them:
‘The Lord will roar from on high,
And utter His voice from His holy habitation;
He will roar mightily against His fold.
He will give a shout, as those who tread the grapes,
Against all the inhabitants of the earth.
31 A noise will come to the ends of the earth—
For the Lord has a controversy with the nations;
He will plead His case with all flesh.
He will give those who are wicked to the sword,’ says the Lord.”
32 Thus says the Lord of hosts:
“Behold, disaster shall go forth
From nation to nation,
And a great whirlwind shall be raised up
From the farthest parts of the earth.
33 And at that day the slain of the Lord shall be from one end of the earth even to the other end of the earth. They shall not be lamented, or gathered, or buried; they shall become refuse on the ground.
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The above is what will happen to the unbelieving people of all nations across the entire face of the earth at the return of Christ, which is the Day of the Lord.
God is not fooling around, when He judges the world.
Jeremiah 25
27 “Therefore you shall say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel: “Drink, be drunk, and vomit! Fall and rise no more, because of the sword which I will send among you.” ’ 28 And it shall be, if they refuse to take the cup from your hand to drink, then you shall say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord of hosts: “You shall certainly drink! 29 For behold, I begin to bring calamity on the city which is called by My name, and should you be utterly unpunished? You shall not be unpunished, for I will call for a sword on all the inhabitants of the earth,” says the Lord of hosts.’
30 “Therefore prophesy against them all these words, and say to them:
‘The Lord will roar from on high,
And utter His voice from His holy habitation;
He will roar mightily against His fold.
He will give a shout, as those who tread the grapes,
Against all the inhabitants of the earth.
31 A noise will come to the ends of the earth—
For the Lord has a controversy with the nations;
He will plead His case with all flesh.
He will give those who are wicked to the sword,’ says the Lord.”
32 Thus says the Lord of hosts:
“Behold, disaster shall go forth
From nation to nation,
And a great whirlwind shall be raised up
From the farthest parts of the earth.
33 And at that day the slain of the Lord shall be from one end of the earth even to the other end of the earth. They shall not be lamented, or gathered, or buried; they shall become refuse on the ground.
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The above is what will happen to the unbelieving people of all nations across the entire face of the earth at the return of Christ, which is the Day of the Lord.
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Isaiah 63
New King James Version
1 Who is this who comes from Edom,
With dyed garments from Bozrah,
This One who is [a]glorious in His apparel,
Traveling in the greatness of His strength?—
“I who speak in righteousness, mighty to save.”
2 Why is Your apparel red,
And Your garments like one who treads in the winepress?
3 “I have trodden the winepress alone,
And from the peoples no one was with Me.
For I have trodden them in My anger,
And trampled them in My fury;
Their blood is sprinkled upon My garments,
And I have stained all My robes.
4 For the day of vengeance is in My heart,
And the year of My redeemed has come.
5 I looked, but there was no one to help,
And I wondered
That there was no one to uphold;
Therefore My own arm brought salvation for Me;
And My own fury, it sustained Me.
6 I have trodden down the peoples in My anger,
Made them drunk in My fury,
And brought down their strength to the earth.”
New King James Version
1 Who is this who comes from Edom,
With dyed garments from Bozrah,
This One who is [a]glorious in His apparel,
Traveling in the greatness of His strength?—
“I who speak in righteousness, mighty to save.”
2 Why is Your apparel red,
And Your garments like one who treads in the winepress?
3 “I have trodden the winepress alone,
And from the peoples no one was with Me.
For I have trodden them in My anger,
And trampled them in My fury;
Their blood is sprinkled upon My garments,
And I have stained all My robes.
4 For the day of vengeance is in My heart,
And the year of My redeemed has come.
5 I looked, but there was no one to help,
And I wondered
That there was no one to uphold;
Therefore My own arm brought salvation for Me;
And My own fury, it sustained Me.
6 I have trodden down the peoples in My anger,
Made them drunk in My fury,
And brought down their strength to the earth.”
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Greetings again Scott Downey, rwb, WPM and Spiritual Israelite,
Kind regards
Trevor
I suggest that we would have a different opinion on the new heavens and earth and the events on other side of this event.
I suggest that Acts 3:19-21 is simple and clear and needs no further explanation, as it speaks for itself and clearly teaches the Premillennial view.
Yes.
Possibly the hardening and deception is on the other side of the fence.
Most claim to be Bible based. I have already given Isaiah 2:1-4, and now added Acts 3:19-21. Acts 3:21 mentions "all the prophets". Would you like me to add a copious list of references from the Psalms and ALL the writing prophets?
I am not sure of the distinction, though I imagine there are a number of opinions. My understanding is that before the Millennium there will be a time of trouble. Some in my fellowship have listed many events that have to occur, and attempted to give some feasible sequence of these events. I do not fully accept these, but have a general idea of what needs to occur, but wait as some of these gradually occur differently to what was fully anticipated, but we become wise after the event.
I consider "the last days" of Isaiah 2:1-4 is defined by its immediate context, not by equating this with Hebrews 1:1-2. There are many rules to be considered when interpreting, and comparing "scripture with scripture" is important, but not absolute or valid in all contexts. In this instance I suggest that you are using this to support an error. The "last days" is obviously, partly by its very terminology, not a period of 2000 years or more.
Kind regards
Trevor
I have noticed: your MO is all noise. You cannot carry through on your claims. Nothing.
It is a complete waste of time engaging with you.
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Greetings again WPM,
I have a strong belief in my aspect of this subject and consider that a simple and clear reading of Isaiah 2:1-4 and now also Acts 3:19-21 is sufficient. I also have a relevant thread on Psalm 72:
www.christianityboard.com
Kind regards
Trevor
I woke up this Saturday morning in Australia and was willing to disengage with this thread as I considered I had stated sufficiently on this subject, but I found that I had replies from four members and other posts in between that denigrated my position. After a busy morning I spent quite some time giving a brief answer to each of the four respondents, but was not interested in discussing any of the Posts in detail. You seem to spend a lot of time on this subject in a number of threads and with numerous posts. I find none of your arguments convincing.
I have a strong belief in my aspect of this subject and consider that a simple and clear reading of Isaiah 2:1-4 and now also Acts 3:19-21 is sufficient. I also have a relevant thread on Psalm 72:
Psalm 72 - The Kingdom of God Soon to be Established on Earth
Psalm 72 - The Kingdom of God Soon to be Established on Earth Psalm 72 (KJV - with headings added) A Psalm for Solomon The King's Son 1 Give the king thy judgments, O God, and thy righteousness unto the king’s son. 2 He shall judge thy people with righteousness, and thy poor with judgment. 3...
www.christianityboard.com
Kind regards
Trevor
No wonder! You dodge the multiple holes in your argument. All you want to do is talk and not address.Greetings again WPM,
I woke up this Saturday morning in Australia and was willing to disengage with this thread as I considered I had stated sufficiently on this subject, but I found that I had replies from four members and other posts in between that denigrated my position. After a busy morning I spent quite some time giving a brief answer to each of the four respondents, but was not interested in discussing any of the Posts in detail. You seem to spend a lot of time on this subject in a number of threads and with numerous posts. I find none of your arguments convincing.
I have a strong belief in my aspect of this subject and consider that a simple and clear reading of Isaiah 2:1-4 and now also Acts 3:19-21 is sufficient. I also have a relevant thread on Psalm 72:
Psalm 72 - The Kingdom of God Soon to be Established on Earth
Psalm 72 - The Kingdom of God Soon to be Established on Earth Psalm 72 (KJV - with headings added) A Psalm for Solomon The King's Son 1 Give the king thy judgments, O God, and thy righteousness unto the king’s son. 2 He shall judge thy people with righteousness, and thy poor with judgment. 3...
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Trevor
You have presented zero Scripture that supports a Pretrib rapture. Nothing!
It is pointless engaging with you.
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Greetings again WPM,
Isaiah 26:19-21 (KJV): 19Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.
20Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
21For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.
I am not sure as to exactly how verse 20 will be outworked, but this seems to me to be relevant to your requirement. There are three stages, the resurrection, the separation of the faithful into some safe haven or havens, and then the outpouring of judgement on the nations.
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Trevor
I partially accept your rebuke. I do not believe in what is usually considered to be the rapture where they claim the faithful are taken to heaven for a period of time. But I am very conscious of the following verses and I would be interested in how you understand these:
Isaiah 26:19-21 (KJV): 19Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.
20Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
21For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.
I am not sure as to exactly how verse 20 will be outworked, but this seems to me to be relevant to your requirement. There are three stages, the resurrection, the separation of the faithful into some safe haven or havens, and then the outpouring of judgement on the nations.
Kind regards
Trevor
Isaiah speaks of the resurrection of the dead, in Isaiah 26:19-27:1, and also identifies it with the time and events that surround the end of the millennium, saying, “Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead. Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain. In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon.”
The passage declares, “behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.” The Hebrew word used here for slain is ‘harag’ meaning to destroy out of hand, kill, and put to death. The resurrection of the righteous must therefore assuredly happen at the end of the millennium (and Satan’s little season), the time expressly advanced as the time when Satan is finally slain.
There is such an obvious finality to this whole reading that no one could surely argue with any credence that it is speaking of anything other than the end of the world. Moreover, this climactic event also sees the complete destruction of that great enemy of the kingdom of God – that old serpent/dragon Satan and the wicked is once and for all destroyed. The resurrection of the righteous must therefore happen at the end of the millennium (and Satan’s little season), the time expressly advanced as the time when Satan is finally slain.
As we have seen in the various judgment passages we have already looked at, Christ is shown here to raise all men at His coming and exercise final and eternal judgment upon all. Isaiah commences this general resurrection discourse here by stating “dead men shall live,” the reason being, because “the earth shall cast out the dead” (speaking about the general resurrection of the dead). Regardless of how carefully The Beginner may try to rewrite this passage, there is no stipulation that we are looking at the righteous alone in the text - quite the opposite. We are looking at the raising of all the dead at Christ's coming. Isaiah testifies 1st of all of his own personal participation in that great final all-consummating event as a believer and as an Old Testament saint. He rejoices in anticipation of that day, as should every single believer that looks for resurrection / judgment day, declaring “Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs.” The reason for the believer’s joy is that they experience glorification as they discard mortality and take on immortality, and they receive God’s eternal reward on this great final day.
The unsaved are different, even though they will be raised at the same time on this day, it is for the purpose of judgment and eternal punishment. This is not a day of joy for them. This is not a day of reward. We learn: “For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity.” When are the wicked punished? When “the LORD cometh out of his place” (of course talking about heaven). This is significantly the same time that that great enemy of the kingdom of God that old serpent/dragon Satan and the wicked are once and for all destroyed. The Hebrew word used here for slain is harag meaning to destroy out of hand, kill, put to death. The resurrection of the righteous must therefore happen at the end of the millennium (and Satan’s little season), the time expressly advanced as the time when Satan is finally slain.
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You cannot address any rebuttals. All you have is the faulty framework you have been taught. You force it into text after text that makes no mention of a future millennium.
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