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Are you seriously denying Scripture? I just quoted Matthew 12:28-29, which clearly shows that Christ had to bind Satan, the strong man, in order to plunder his house and rescue us from spiritual bondage. To claim otherwise is outright rejection of God’s Word. Refusing to acknowledge what Scripture plainly says is not just ignorance—it’s a dangerous pride that blinds you from the truth. That is your problem, not God’s.



You got the timing all wrong. Didn't you REALIZE that if Satan had NOT been bound for the past 2,000 years then salvation is NOT possible! Period! Consider wisely:

Rev 12:7-11
(7) And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
(8) And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
(9) And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
(10) And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
(11) And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Rev 20:2-3

(2) And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
(3) And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Both Revelation 12 and 20 above are talking about the SAME EVENT! Satan lost his place and was cast out of the Old Testament congregation—the kingdom of heaven—when he was bound. Note carefully Matthew 12:10, which says, Now is come salvation. This salvation was accomplished at the Cross, and it is the very message the Church has been preaching for the past 2,000 years. God was not speaking of a future binding of Satan that would delay salvation. Salvation came then, at Christ’s victory, and is available to all who believe. Deny this and Matthew 12, as well as Revelation 20, clearly show that you do not receive God's Word but being deceived with premillennialism fallacy.




So what is your point about this? Although Satan was bound "FOR THE SAKE OF THE ELECT", he still work through unsaved people whom he may devour. Selah!
CHRIST did not say HE bound satan in prison in Matthew 12:28-29

You better go and read carefully


Proverbs 30:5-6
Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.
 

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I think it is YOU who need to read carefully. I have explained my position biblically. Now, it is your turn. Will you tell us your understanding what Matthew 12:28-29 talked about then!
#1 - Matthew 12:28-29 = JESUS never says HE cast satan into prison

This will only occur at His 2nd Coming = Rev 20:1-4

Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.

Matthew 12:28-29 = JESUS is declaring His Authority over satan and his demons to cast them out of people who are bound by them.

Then one was brought to Him who was demon-possessed, blind and mute; and He healed him, so that the blind and mute man both spoke and saw. 23And all the multitudes were amazed and said, “Could this be the Son of David?”

24Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, “This fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons.”

25But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. 26If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? 27And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges. 28But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you. 29Or how can one enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house. 30He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad.
 

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#1 - Matthew 12:28-29 = JESUS never says HE cast satan into prison

"But...but...but... the verses didn't say anything about prison..."

You clearly do not understand. As I will explain below....

This will only occur at His 2nd Coming = Rev 20:1-4

Nope. It took place at the Cross. Christ has established a kingdom through the Church. Your Premillennial's theory of future kingdom is a fallacy.

Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.

This already took place at the Cross. The key and the great chain are not literal object that cannot hold a spirit. Both have spiritual signification that you need to find with the rest of the Scripture to find God's interpretation. The thousand years is a symbolic period representing the church age where people are preach the gospel until all Elect are secured, THEN Satan will be loosened for a little while prior to Second Coming. Selah! Remember the number 10, 100 and 1,000 is a spiritual number which means the fullness of whatever is in view. So Satan will be in bottomless pit for the fullness of time until all Elect are secured, however long it last. Not literal 1,000 years that you can play with calendar.

Matthew 12:28-29 = JESUS is declaring His Authority over satan and his demons to cast them out of people who are bound by them.

Yes, Jesus has the authority to bind Satan, a strong man, so that His people can be saved, being free from Satan's house of spiritual bondage. It is a one time event that Christ bind Satan to spoil His People from him. And He also gave the same authority to His Church to go and save people from the House of Spiritual Bondage. It already happened and it has been since the Cross!

Then one was brought to Him who was demon-possessed, blind and mute; and He healed him, so that the blind and mute man both spoke and saw. 23And all the multitudes were amazed and said, “Could this be the Son of David?”

24Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, “This fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons.”

25But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. 26If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? 27And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges. 28But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you. 29Or how can one enter a strong man’s house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house. 30He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad.

Mat 12:22-27
(22) Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw.
(23) And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David?
(24) But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
(25) And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
(26) And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
(27) And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.

Satan was bound so that those who were chosen of God could be spoiled (seized by conquest) from his prison house (Isaiah 61:1-2; Luke 4:18) and rule that Satan held over them. Christ didn't bind Satan to save the world, but to save "HIS PEOPLE," not all people of the world. The Election!
See, we all were natural man to begin with, being unsaved and being being possess with a devil, being spiritually blind and deaf. Christ came to save "His people" and THAT is why He had to bind Satan first! It was not so that sin would cease from all the nations of the world, but so that sin could cease in the Elect of all Nation! Scripture underscores the fact that Satan's house was plundered (his goods taken by conquest) by the work of Christ at the Cross, which confirmed and instituted Christ's Kingdom, establishing His reign over these Elect that He set free! Through God's Spirit, we have to not only read but HEAR what we are reading:

Matthew 12:28-29
  • "But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
  • Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he First bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house."
If indeed Christ had cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then obviously it was the power of God manifest in Him, and that unambiguously demonstrated that He was the prophesied Messiah, the Son of David who was to come and establish the Kingdom of Israel. The same Son of whom the multitude spoke!!! It was indeed for this reason that the Pharisees said Christ had a devil, because they didn't want to believe that He indeed was the Christ. Consider wisely and in context.

Matthew 12:22-24
  • "Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw.
  • And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David?
  • But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils."
Indeed Christ had cast out devils by the Spirit of God and that meant that the Messiah, the Son of David of prophecy, had indeed come!! And that His Kingdom had also indeed come unto them. It is in this "context" that Jesus speaks about HOW He must first bind Satan. Answer the fundamental questions concerning what Christ was explaining.

#1. Who is the Strong man?
#2. What is his house?
#3. Who is it that comes to bind him?
#4. What are the possessions in the strong man's house that he wants to Spoil (take by conquest)?
#5. What "MUST" be done first, before that spoiling can happen?

The only possible answers:

1. Satan is the strong man of this parable.
2. His house is his kingdom.
3. Christ is the Messenger of he Covenant who came to bind him and spoil his kingdom.
4. The Elect are his possessions or goods, which Christ came to seize.
5. Christ said that couldn't happen unless FIRST Satan was bound.

That means without Satan being bound, there is no Salvation to the nations. The binding of Satan is intimately related to his inability to deceive the nations, and to hold all people in spiritual bondage, just as Revelation 20 confirmed! If you deny that Satan had been bind at the Cross, then we are NOT saved! The binding is NOT related to his ability to go about as a roaring Lion or to be Prince of this world. He was bound NOT to stop the earthly wars by man, but to stop the spiritual war against God in the elect of the nations.

Isaiah 40:1-3

  • "Comfort ye, comfort ye My People, saith your God.
  • Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her, that her warfare is accomplished, that her iniquity is pardoned: for she hath received of the LORD'S hand double for all her sins.
  • The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God."
By the way, when you read Matthew 12:28-29, when did Christ bind Satan first then?? So that many people will be spoiled from Satan's house. When was that?
 
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CHRIST did not say HE bound satan in prison in Matthew 12:28-29

You better go and read carefully


Proverbs 30:5-6
Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.

If Satan had not been bound by Christ's cross and resurrection, how could there be salvation for any man? By His cross Christ paid the penalty for sin, which is death, for all who would believe in Him. In addition to making propitiation for all sin, Christ also defeated death through His resurrection. If Satan has not been bound by the cross & resurrection then no man has a Savior, because Christ would not have arisen so sin and death through sin would leave every man in their sins and condemned to die without any hope of everlasting life with our Lord. All of humanity would still be subject to bondage of Satan, because he had the power to hold humanity in fear through having the power over death. That bondage and power was broken when Christ went to the cross and was resurrected from the dead. It in is this manner and for this purpose that Satan, the great enemy of Christ had to be bound so that whosoever would hear the gospel of the Kingdom of God proclaimed, would know that we are no longer under the curse of sin and death because we have a Saviour, Jesus Christ our Lord.

Hebrews 2:14-15 (KJV) Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

Luke 1:74-75 (KJV) That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear, In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.

2 Corinthians 1:9-10 (KJV)
But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead: Who delivered us from so great a death, and doth deliver: in whom we trust that he will yet deliver us;

Satan is a demonic spirit! The way one binds a spirit is not with literal chains, and pits, but by taking away the power he held over all creation, especially humankind. That power he attained at creation through the spiritual fall of mankind!
 
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If Satan had not been bound by Christ's cross and resurrection, how could there be salvation for any man? By His cross Christ paid the penalty for sin, which is death, for all who would believe in Him. In addition to making propitiation for all sin, Christ also defeated death through His resurrection. If Satan has not been bound by the cross & resurrection then no man has a Savior, because Christ would not have arisen so sin and death through sin would leave every man in their sins and condemned to die without any hope of everlasting life with our Lord. All of humanity would still be subject to bondage of Satan, because he had the power to hold humanity in fear through having the power over death. That bondage and power was broken when Christ went to the cross and was resurrected from the dead. It in is this manner and for this purpose that Satan, the great enemy of Christ had to be bound so that whosoever would hear the gospel of the Kingdom of God proclaimed, would know that we are no longer under the curse of sin and death because we have a Saviour, Jesus Christ our Lord.

Hebrews 2:14-15 (KJV) Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

Luke 1:74-75 (KJV) That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear, In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.

2 Corinthians 1:9-10 (KJV)
But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead: Who delivered us from so great a death, and doth deliver: in whom we trust that he will yet deliver us;

Satan is a demonic spirit! The way one binds a spirit is not with literal chains, and pits, but by taking away the power he held over all creation, especially humankind. That power he attained at creation through the spiritual fall of mankind!
Good Morning
 

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@amigo de christo @PS95 @Taken @rwb @The Light @rebuilder 454

 
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@amigo de christo @PS95 @Taken @rwb @The Light @rebuilder 454


Hi David-
I don’t know Kaufman, nor have Instagram.
His report topic I read in your post, is not shocking. Vietnam is Communist. They are not the model of which the US does banking.

But True in suspected criminal cases the US government can freeze bank accounts momentary assets, during investigation.
Noting, IMO a crappy sort of free for all …
Gets complicated, when embezzlement and such is suspected.

Can’t say about Vietnam, don’t know the specifics… freezing, confiscating, no recourse… IDK.


Hope all is well with you.

Glory to God,
Taken
 
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@amigo de christo @PS95 @Taken @rwb @The Light @rebuilder 454

Marvel not if our own beast infected harlot infected govts
try and act like this is a bad thing
YET ALL THE WHILE T HEY DO the same , just more so through convience and fear mongering
and etc .
ITS ALL hyprocrisy david .
I know that offends those who trust in either the LEFT or the RIGHT .
BUT I TELL US all
the agenda of the well favored harlot and her beloved system fit for a beast
THAT BOTH SIDES NOW SUCKLE from her tits and do her agenda .
WE all BEING fleeced . AND dont try and run to a sold out ecumincal church either
THEY INFECTED BIG TIME TOO with the influence of the harlot .
The sheep have only ONE we can TRUST IN
and only ONE BOOK we had better fall in love with and start reading for ourselves .
GOD , CHRIST . THAT ALONE is who we can trust in
and the HOLY BIBLE be the ONLY BOOK .
FRANKLY i dont care how this offends many in churches and in govts and in all religoins .
ITS TRUE and ITS TIME we got and get our rears back in that bible and start learning and TRUSTING IN THAT GOD and HIS CHRIST .
 
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@amigo de christo @PS95 @Taken @rwb @The Light @rebuilder 454

As time goes on
more and more sell out and go to the flow of the ho .
But as time has went on , this sheep and other sheep
ARE ONLY DOUBLING DOWN our resitance to her and we expose her .
I seem to notice we got two sides .
THE DECIEVED which includes most all of christendome
AS WELL as the FALSE DECIEVED religoins
as well as all whose hopes and trusts are in men and govts and their solutions .
THEN you got the other side . THE SHEEP , AND THEY AINT BUYING the BULLDUNG sold by the harlot .
THEY have BOUGHT the TRUTH and SELL HER NOT . but both sides
are increasing in their double down on their efforts .
THIS WILL LEAD to the decieved side Coming for the blood of all who did not conform under the solutoin
of their so called love god for world peace . NOTICE that god was not captiized . ITS THE DEVIL
And this sheep dont have time to toning anything down . THE TRUMPET MUST BE SOUNDED
while there still be TIME to sound it . THE LORD has shown the sheep the signs of the times
THIER BLOOD wont be on my hands david . WE WARN or prepare to hear what GOD told the prophets .
BUT their blood will i require at your hand . PEOPLE think this judge not warn not junk was of GOD . IT WAS NOT .
IT was meant ONLY to silence the TRUTH . but it dont work on the sheep . COUNT the cost david
because many of us will bleed and will surely suffer at the hands of a sold out generation and its love god who DECIEVED THEM ALL .
 
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Good Morning to you also dear friend!
Regulators MOUNT UP .
Many now go with the FLOW of the well favored HO .
Expose her ecumincal cry of interfaith and let all who name the name of JESUS CHRIST depart from her death tunnel .
 

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Still waiting for your answer:

By the way, when you read Matthew 12:28-29, when did Christ bind Satan first then?? So that many people will be spoiled from Satan's house. When was that?
I did respond yesterday

I will respond again = very busy day for me today

SHALOM in CHRIST
 
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As time goes on
more and more sell out and go to the flow of the ho .
But as time has went on , this sheep and other sheep
ARE ONLY DOUBLING DOWN our resitance to her and we expose her .
I seem to notice we got two sides .
THE DECIEVED which includes most all of christendome
AS WELL as the FALSE DECIEVED religoins
as well as all whose hopes and trusts are in men and govts and their solutions .
THEN you got the other side . THE SHEEP , AND THEY AINT BUYING the BULLDUNG sold by the harlot .
THEY have BOUGHT the TRUTH and SELL HER NOT . but both sides
are increasing in their double down on their efforts .
THIS WILL LEAD to the decieved side Coming for the blood of all who did not conform under the solutoin
of their so called love god for world peace . NOTICE that god was not captiized . ITS THE DEVIL
And this sheep dont have time to toning anything down . THE TRUMPET MUST BE SOUNDED
while there still be TIME to sound it . THE LORD has shown the sheep the signs of the times
THIER BLOOD wont be on my hands david . WE WARN or prepare to hear what GOD told the prophets .
BUT their blood will i require at your hand . PEOPLE think this judge not warn not junk was of GOD . IT WAS NOT .
IT was meant ONLY to silence the TRUTH . but it dont work on the sheep . COUNT the cost david
because many of us will bleed and will surely suffer at the hands of a sold out generation and its love god who DECIEVED THEM ALL .
THE DECIEVED which includes most all of christendome
Very unfortunate but TRUE
 
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If satan had not been bound by Christ's cross and resurrection, how could there be salvation for any man?

All things are possible with God.

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

You really should get to know ALL of what God says in His Word.... If Jesus locked the devil and his demons up then 1 Peter 5:8 wouldn't even be in God's Word and the world would be a far far less evil place.

We see in the Book of Hebrews that Jesus has not assumed full control over this world yet:

Hebrews 2:8
Thou hast put all things in subjection under His feet. for in that

He put all in subjection under Him, He left nothing that is not put
under Him. But now we see not yet all things put under Him

And, we also see that the devil is called the god of this world which
will not change until Jesus returns to start His 1000 year reign and
throws the devil and his demons in to hell.

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which

believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who
is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Jesus speaking of the devil, says he is the prince of this world.

John 14:30
the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

And we see that the last enemy put under foot is death which has not happened as of yet.

1 Corinthians 15:26
The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
 
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All things are possible with God.

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

You really should get to know ALL of what God says in His Word.... If Jesus locked the devil and his demons up then 1 Peter 5:8 wouldn't even be in God's Word and the world would be a far far less evil place.

We see in the Book of Hebrews that Jesus has not assumed full control over this world yet:

Hebrews 2:8
Thou hast put all things in subjection under His feet. for in that

He put all in subjection under Him, He left nothing that is not put
under Him. But now we see not yet all things put under Him

And, we also see that the devil is called the god of this world which
will not change until Jesus returns to start His 1000 year reign and
throws the devil and his demons in to hell.

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which

believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who
is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Jesus speaking of the devil, says he is the prince of this world.

John 14:30
the prince of this world cometh, and hath nothing in me.

And we see that the last enemy put under foot is death which has not happened as of yet.

1 Corinthians 15:26
The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
Good Afternoon
 

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Very unfortunate but TRUE
ye shall know them by their love my friend .
Many now have the love of the world upon them and beleive as do a child IT IS THE LOVE of GOD .
Leading them straight to their own damnation .
This judge not , correct not , DAVID its has TO GO .
this lets just find common ground and get along , IT HAS TO GO david .
We gotta return to the original pattern . so today i challenge all before GOD and man
to OPEN UP their bible
and read again the four gospels
read again the book of acts
read again the letters
And then DO IT AGAIN and again TILL IT SINKS IN that WE ARE BEING T OTALLY fleeced .
Cause i dont see any leaders in any churches that even remotely sound like JESUS or the apostels .
AND I MEAN not even remotely close at all . not even a shimmer .
THIS judge not unity crap has got to go .
ITS the false unity , its the false sensual love , its all been of the dragon who has used
the carnal intellect of man to please his flesh and to seduce this people .
DO feel free to ask questions if i seem a wee bit too grave . cause david , IF i seem grave
LET US read the bible and see how JESUS was and the apostels were . If anything I NEED TO STEP IT UP my friend .
 
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All things are possible with God.

This does not answer the question! If Satan had not been bound by the cross and resurrection, how could there be salvation for any man?
1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

You really should get to know ALL of what God says in His Word.... If Jesus locked the devil and his demons up then 1 Peter 5:8 wouldn't even be in God's Word and the world would be a far far less evil place.

Where in Scripture can we find that the binding of Satan will usher in a "far far less evil place"? So many believe as you do, that when Satan is bound there shall be peace on this earth! But, NOWHERE does Christ speak of having peace in THIS world, not now, since Christ has come, and not for one thousand years many believe shall come to the earth when Christ comes again.

Christ never promises THIS world shall be at peace or even less evil when Satan is bound.

Matthew 10:34 (KJV) Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Luke 12:51-52 (KJV) Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.

John 16:33 (KJV) These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

We see in the Book of Hebrews that Jesus has not assumed full control over this world yet:

Hebrews 2:8
Thou hast put all things in subjection under His feet. for in that

He put all in subjection under Him, He left nothing that is not put
under Him. But now we see not yet all things put under Him

Matthew 28:18 (KJV) And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Matthew 28:18 (KJV) And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Just because man does not yet see all things put under Christ, does not mean that all things have not be put in subjection under Him, He left NOTHING that is not put under Him.

And, we also see that the devil is called the god of this world which
will not change until Jesus returns to start His 1000 year reign and
throws the devil and his demons in to hell.

Yes, the devil is the god of this world, and though being bound by the cross and resurrection, he and his followers still have great power in this world to deceive and bring great harm, Satan is no longer able to hold whosoever shall believe in bondage to sin and death which is how he was able to keep the Kingdom of God in heaven from being built before Christ came. People in bondage to fear of sin and death are NOT free, and Satan still holds power over all who continue to be in darkness and unbelief. Who have not had their sins forgiven them and are still in bondage to fear of death that hangs over them.

When Christ comes again time given the Church on earth for proclaiming the gospel of the Kingdom of God that the eternal Kingdom of God in heaven is complete shall be no longer. There will not be another one thousand years of time given this earth after Christ comes again.

2 Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which

believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who
is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Understand what Paul is saying here. "The god of this world hath blinded"....WHO? "Them which believe not". His power to blind man of faith was bound by Christ's cross and resurrection. The god of this world no longer has power over faithful saints of Christ.
And we see that the last enemy put under foot is death which has not happened as of yet.

1 Corinthians 15:26
The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

Exactly! The last enemy to be destroyed in both death of the body and (hell/grave), where the dead are kept. And that shall be after the great white throne judgment when whosoever is not found written in the book of life, along with death and the grave shall be cast into the lake of fire that is the second death.
 
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Dan Clarkston

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If satan had not been bound by the cross and resurrection, how could there be salvation for any man?

It's beyond some folks ability to understand so don't worry about it.


Christ never promises THIS world shall be at peace or even less evil when satan is bound.

Those that don't know the Lord and His Word wouldn't know...


Just because man does not yet see all things put under Christ, does not mean that all things have not be put in subjection under Him, He left NOTHING that is not put under Him.

He has yet to assume absolute authority over this world.

If satan was bound literally as you claim, then the world would be being run by the Lord... and it is not.

Unless you are a calvinist who has been deceived in to believing God is the author of all the evil that is going on in the world.

Feel free to rip the Book of Hebrews out of your bible and consider it to be lies.




The god of this world no longer has power over faithful saints of Christ.

Most who claim to be Christians are actually tares who work for satan and don't even know it.