Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

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Spiritual Israelite

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Genesis stories.
I said to stop being vague. This is just another vague response from you. Are you afraid to be clear and specific or what?

You believe the OT stories even though they contradict science and evidence.
Okay, here we go. You are revealing yourself to be a fake who doesn't trust in what the Bible teaches and trusts secular science over the Bible. Thank you for revealing that. You are probably one of those people who thinks Genesis 1-11 is not a historical account even though other scriptures refer to the same things in a historical context?

But you do not believe the NT teachings just because there is a lack of historical record. Not a contradiction, just a lack of evidence. Therefore, you believe the OT more strongly.
LOL. You can't be taken seriously. If you want to share something besides complete nonsense, let me know.

It also clearly teaches that it will happen in the first century generation. Now what?
No, it does not. You've been shown alternative interpretations, but you are too brainwashed to even consider them. It's sad.
 
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DOTL = day of the Lord.


Both Pretribbers and Preterists, and anyone else doing what they are wrongly doing, need to start paying closer attention to details and quit twisting the texts involved in order to get the DOTL to fit where it doesn't remotely fit. The DOTL does not fit at the beginning of great tribulation. It fits after great tribulation proved by all of the following. And there is even more passages than the following that proves it except I'm not going to list every single passage that might prove it.

Amos 5:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.
19 As if a man did flee from a lion, and a bear met him; or went into the house, and leaned his hand on the wall, and a serpent bit him.
20 Shall not the day of the LORD be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

What I have underlined in verse 29 also depicts darkness, and that we are told the time of this darkness does not precede the beginning of great tribulation, it immediately follows great tribulation.

Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth
, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

What I have underlined in verse 12 and 13 also depicts darkness, and is obviously referring to the same time period and events Matthew 24:29 is.

Isaiah 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

The DOTL involves both wrath and fierce anger.

Revelation 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?


And so does this involve wrath. And that you can't have wrath without fierce anger. The text indicates that the great day of his wrath is come, and not, His great day of wrath already came earlier before the time of the 6th seal. That is a contradiction if it is not until the time of the 6th seal that His great day of wrath has initially come.



Something else I would like to point out. The first trumpet is not meaning chronologically sometime later following the events recorded in the 6th seal. It is not logical that the first trumpet can follow after the 6th seal since the 5th seal must precede the 6th seal, and that the 5th seal, for example, meaning this---a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled(Revelation 6:11)---is involving the time of the 6th trumpet(Revelation 11:2,7, Revelation 13:5,7,15)

And that Revelation 6:17 is involving the era of time and events that Revelation 11:15,18 is involving.

Therefore, How can trumpet 1 follow the 5th and 6th seal when the 5th seal is involving the 6th trumpet, and that the 6th seal is involving the 7th trumpet? Since when does the number 6 and number 7 precede the number 1 rather than follows it?

IOW, trumpet 1 comes before trumpet 6 and 7. Seriously, who could be that bad at math where they have 6 and 7 meaning before 1 rather than after 1? Nobody, right? Once again, the fact the 6th trumpet involves the 5th seal, the 7th trumpet involves the 6th seal, clearly tells any objective person not placing their doctrinal bias' above that of common sense, that this means that the first trumpet can't be meaning after the 5th and 6th seal in that case, since it causes a mathematical impossibility with the 7 trumpets if trumpet 6 and 7 correlate with seal 5 and 6.
All postribbers desperately need a smoking gun.
They "find it" in "one liners".

Nope.
One verse does not cancel 10 verses.

You are GUARANTEED error.
 
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All postribbers desperately need a smoking gun.
They "find it" in "one liners".

Nope.
One verse does not cancel 10 verses.

You are GUARANTEED error.
His post was obviously not just a one liner, so what in the world are you talking about? One liners are your specialty.
 
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I said to stop being vague. This is just another vague response from you. Are you afraid to be clear and specific or what?


Okay, here we go. You are revealing yourself to be a fake who doesn't trust in what the Bible teaches and trusts secular science over the Bible. Thank you for revealing that. You are probably one of those people who thinks Genesis 1-11 is not a historical account even though other scriptures refer to the same things in a historical context?


LOL. You can't be taken seriously. If you want to share something besides complete nonsense, let me know.


No, it does not. You've been shown alternative interpretations, but you are too brainwashed to even consider them. It's sad.
They trust in science , in physcology , in man and his carnal wisdom .
But for us sheep , WE STICKING TO GODS HOLY INSPIRED words in scripture .
IN the end many are gonna wail and truly wish they had not loved their lives in this world
and chose the wisdom of man over THE WISDOM OF GOD .
but on that day , ITS TOO LATE . TOO and LATE . STICK to the bible my friend . many gonna laugh and mock at us
But we know TRUTH .
For this cause came i into the world TO TESTIFY of THE TRUTH
all that are of the truth hear MY VOICE . many gonna wish they had been a sheep ON JESUS DAY
and not a shoat , a goat in wool . men love what pleases the flesh . no doubt about it .
I used to love the flesh and wordly cares and pleasures and sins . THANK GOD
HE changed my heart and put the LOVE for TRUTH within it . ST AY IN THE BIBLE , let them laugh at us .
Let them mock us . STAY IN THE BIBLE and dont look back . many gonna wish they had , but as i said
ON JESUS day ITS TOO LATE .
 

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His post was obviously not just a one liner, so what in the world are you talking about? One liners are your specialty.
My KING is seated in the heavens
MY KINGDOM is Above , my JERUSALEM , MOUNT ZION is above . AND JESUS IS THE CORNERSTONE
and GOD and the lamb are THE TEMPLE
and all beliving jews and gentiles are the stones , added in by beleiving IN HE whom GOD DID SEND .
I aint got time for the nonsense i see many buying into .
Warn and warn i must . ITS TIME to preach the HEAVENLY , ITS TIME to PREACH THE TRUE CHRIST
and HIS GOSPEL . ecumincalsim is the whores love punch
JESUS is the sheeps drink . we dont sip from harlot drink . Sheep drink the pure and holy waters OF THE LORD .
 
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So of course all he can do is repeat his FALSE affirmations like the Zech.14:16-21 is a parallel to the Isaiah 4:3-4 Scripture WHEN IT IS NOT.
Absolutely 100% they're parallel readings, both speaking of "Who Are Left" in Jerusalem after "The Day Of The Lord"

You deny the simple fact that (The Day Of The Lord) seen in Zechariah 14 below is the very same (Day Of The Lord) seen in 2 Peter 3 its "Fire" at the Lord's return

Your complete goal is to falsely maintain a millennial kingdom on this earth that doesn't exist in scripture "Blind" to biblical truth

(The Day Of The Lord) Zechariah 14:1 & 12 and 2 Peter 3:10KJV (The End Of This Earth By Fire) As The Unsaved World Is Consumed By This Fire As They Are Standing On Their Feet (The End)

(Destroyed Them All) By The Lord's Fire At His Return

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.


Zechariah 14:1 & 12KJV
1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
 
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Zechariah 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain .
You would like the readers to falsely believe that (The Day Of The Lord) doesn't take place in Zechariah Chapter 14, the very same (Day Of The Lord) seen in 2 Peter 3:10

"Why" do you want to remove Zechariah 14:12 in God's "Fire Judgement" where the unsaved world is consumed by the Lord's "Fure Judgement" as they stand on their feet, you want to remove Luke 17:29-30 (Destroyed The All) at the Lord's return "All" (The End) no millennial kingdom on this earth following

You want to remove the river of life flowing from Jerusalem in Zechariah 14:8 (The Eternal State) only found in the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, mortal men aren't going to have access to the river of life its that simple

(In That Day) What Day? (The Day Of The Lord)

Zechariah 14:8KJV
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

(The Day Of The Lord) Zechariah 14:1 & 12 and 2 Peter 3:10KJV (The End Of This Earth By Fire) As The Unsaved World Is Consumed By This Fire As They Are Standing On Their Feet (The End)

(Destroyed Them All) By The Lord's Fire At His Return

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.


Zechariah 14:1 & 12KJV
1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
 
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Absolutely 100% they're parallel readi gs, both speaking of "Who Are Left" in Jerusalem after "The Day Of The Lord"

You deny the simple fact that (The Day Of The Lord) seen in Zechariah 14 below is the very same (Day Of The Lord) seen in 2 Peter 3 its "Fire" at the Lord's return

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Is that all you know is bearing false witness?

You have not even begun... to address the ACTUAL CONTEXT of those Zechariah 14:16-21 verses!

Zech 14:16-20
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem
shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

The idea of those being leftovers is from a PAST EVENT at this point in the Scripture. The whole Zechariah 14 Chapter past verse 4 is Christ HAVING RETURNED WITH HIS ELECT TO THIS EARTH, TO JERUSALEM, AND SPECIFICALLY TO THE MOUNT OF OLIVES. The
"day of the Lord" event of His future coming and battle of Armageddon is OVER at that point by Zech.14:4! It is time to MOVE FORWARD in the TIMELINE, which YOU DON'T WANT TO DO BECAUSE OF THE FALSE DOCTRINES OF MEN YOU FOLLOW!

17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.


Some are confused about "the day of the Lord", when it is. It is the LAST DAY of this present world when Jesus returns to gather His elect Church and begin His "thousand years" reign over the wicked. At this point Jesus has returned, and has gathered His elect Church, and is reigning over the wicked. The "battle" on the "day of the Lord" event is over at this point and Jesus is reigning over the unsaved on earth. And He is doing that reign from Jerusalem on earth, with His elect Church.

ALL... nations at that time will be required to come up to Jerusalem from year to year, and worship The KING, Jesus Christ, and keep the Feast of Tabernacles. Now will you bring in some stupidity by saying that is about war? Those who refuse to OBEY Jesus and come up to Jerusalem to worship, there will be NO rain upon their lands; that is the penalty they will suffer, not a killing in battle, but a lack of rain!

18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in
the LORD's house shall be like the bowl's before the altar.
KJV


Because in that time "the LORD's house" is mentioned, meaning the Millennial temple, we KNOW that time is NOT the new heavens and a new earth time, because per Revelation 21 in the new heavens and new earth time, there will be no more stone temple, for The Father and The Son will be the Temple thereof, as written.
 

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Is that all you know is bearing false witness?

You have not even begun... to address the ACTUAL CONTEXT of those Zechariah 14:16-21 verses!

Zech 14:16-20
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem
shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

The idea of those being leftovers is from a PAST EVENT at this point in the Scripture. The whole Zechariah 14 Chapter past verse 4 is Christ HAVING RETURNED WITH HIS ELECT TO THIS EARTH, TO JERUSALEM, AND SPECIFICALLY TO THE MOUNT OF OLIVES. The "day of the Lord" event of His future coming and battle of Armageddon is OVER at that point by Zech.14:4! It is time to MOVE FORWARD in the TIMELINE, which YOU DON'T WANT TO DO BECAUSE OF THE FALSE DOCTRINES OF MEN YOU FOLLOW!

17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

Some are confused about "the day of the Lord", when it is. It is the LAST DAY of this present world when Jesus returns to gather His elect Church and begin His "thousand years" reign over the wicked. At this point Jesus has returned, and has gathered His elect Church, and is reigning over the wicked. The "battle" on the "day of the Lord" event is over at this point and Jesus is reigning over the unsaved on earth. And He is doing that reign from Jerusalem on earth, with His elect Church.

ALL... nations at that time will be required to come up to Jerusalem from year to year, and worship The KING, Jesus Christ, and keep the Feast of Tabernacles. Now will you bring in some stupidity by saying that is about war? Those who refuse to OBEY Jesus and come up to Jerusalem to worship, there will be NO rain upon their lands; that is the penalty they will suffer, not a killing in battle, but a lack of rain!

18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in
the LORD's house shall be like the bowl's before the altar.
KJV


Because in that time "the LORD's house" is mentioned, meaning the Millennial temple, we KNOW that time is NOT the new heavens and a new earth time, because per Revelation 21 in the new heavens and new earth time, there will be no more stone temple, for The Father and The Son will be the Temple thereof, as written.
You deny the Lord's fire at his return destroying all the unsaved wicked, you treat this as if it's non-existant "Why"?

(Destroyed Them All) By The Lord's Fire At His Return

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
 

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You deny the Lord's fire at his return destroying all the unsaved wicked, you treat this as if it's non-existant "Why"?

(Destroyed Them All) By The Lord's Fire At His Return

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

FUNNY! Truth7t7 has RUN OUT OF SCRIPTURE AMMO. So now he is trying to resort to just any Bible Scripture that he thinks he can squeeze into the Zechariah 14 events! He just shows stubbornness.

1 Sam 15:23
23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft,
and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, He hath also rejected thee from being king.
KJV
 

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FUNNY! Truth7t7 has RUN OUT OF SCRIPTURE AMMO. So now he is trying to resort to just any Bible Scripture that he thinks he can squeeze into the Zechariah 14 events! He just shows stubbornness.

1 Sam 15:23
23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft,
and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, He hath also rejected thee from being king.
KJV
Kind of like how you stubbornly refuse to accept what is taught in 2 Peter 3:10-13 about what will happen when Jesus returns. Look in the mirror. You try to get around it by denying that the elements that will be dissolved when Jesus returns are not the material elements, but that would mean, to be consistent, you would have to conclude that it's not talking about planet earth being affected by the fire or the literal heavens being dissolved in that passage, which obviously is not true.
 
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FUNNY! Truth7t7 has RUN OUT OF SCRIPTURE AMMO. So now he is trying to resort to just any Bible Scripture that he thinks he can squeeze into the Zechariah 14 events! He just shows stubbornness.

1 Sam 15:23
23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft,
and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, He hath also rejected thee from being king.
KJV
Once again, you live up to the facts in denial of the scripture below, as if God's words are non-existant "Why"?

Your personal attack upon me is nothing more than a "Distraction" from answering the question, you think the many readers following the conversation are ignorant of this fact as you run from a response, smiles!

You deny the Lord's fire at his return destroying all the unsaved wicked, you treat this as if it's non-existant "Why"?

(Destroyed Them All) By The Lord's Fire At His Return

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
 

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FUNNY! Truth7t7 has RUN OUT OF SCRIPTURE AMMO. So now he is trying to resort to just any Bible Scripture that he thinks he can squeeze into the Zechariah 14 events! He just shows stubbornness.

1 Sam 15:23
23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft,
and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, He hath also rejected thee from being king.
KJV
What is the Lord rapidly bringing upon all the people in Zechariah 14:12 below that will consume eyes in sockets, tongues in mouths, flesh from bones, as men are "Standing" upon their feet?

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
 
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I dont know you could be wrong.

That is why people need to be encouraged to test all things.
 
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DOTL = day of the Lord.


Both Pretribbers and Preterists, and anyone else doing what they are wrongly doing, need to start paying closer attention to details and quit twisting the texts involved in order to get the DOTL to fit where it doesn't remotely fit. The DOTL does not fit at the beginning of great tribulation.

Correct.
It fits after great tribulation proved by all of the following. And there is even more passages than the following that proves it except I'm not going to list every single passage that might prove it.

Amos 5:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light.
19 As if a man did flee from a lion, and a bear met him; or went into the house, and leaned his hand on the wall, and a serpent bit him.
20 Shall not the day of the LORD be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

What I have underlined in verse 29 also depicts darkness, and that we are told the time of this darkness does not precede the beginning of great tribulation, it immediately follows great tribulation.

Revelation 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth
, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

What I have underlined in verse 12 and 13 also depicts darkness, and is obviously referring to the same time period and events Matthew 24:29 is.

Isaiah 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

The DOTL involves both wrath and fierce anger.

Revelation 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?


And so does this involve wrath. And that you can't have wrath without fierce anger. The text indicates that the great day of his wrath is come, and not, His great day of wrath already came earlier before the time of the 6th seal. That is a contradiction if it is not until the time of the 6th seal that His great day of wrath has initially come.

I believe you are confusing the day of Gods wrath which is the 1st six trumpets of the 7th seal with the DOTL which is the 7th trumpet.

The day of wrath lasts one year. The DOTL occurs in one day
Something else I would like to point out. The first trumpet is not meaning chronologically sometime later following the events recorded in the 6th seal. It is not logical that the first trumpet can follow after the 6th seal since the 5th seal must precede the 6th seal, and that the 5th seal, for example, meaning this---a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled(Revelation 6:11)---is involving the time of the 6th trumpet(Revelation 11:2,7, Revelation 13:5,7,15)
This is bad logic. The 1st trumpet occurs in the 7th seal.......which is after the 6th seal. No problems here.

I think you are missing the fact that the 5th seal is the Great Tribulation.

And that Revelation 6:17 is involving the era of time and events that Revelation 11:15,18 is involving.
No. Revelation 6:17, is the day of wrath which occur in the 7th seal. The verses you are quoting in Revelation 11 occur at the end of wrath.
Therefore, How can trumpet 1 follow the 5th and 6th seal when the 5th seal is involving the 6th trumpet,
Trumpet 1 occurs in the 7th seal. And the 5th seal in no way involves the 6th trumpet. The 5th seal is the great tribulation. The great tribulation is over at the 6th seal.............tribulation is not wrath.

and that the 6th seal is involving the 7th trumpet? Since when does the number 6 and number 7 precede the number 1 rather than follows it?


The seals are in order. The 5th seal is the great tribulation. It is over when Jesus returns at the 6th seal. Then the 7th seal is opened, and the wrath of God begins. The trumpets of wrath are in order, 1 thru 7.

IOW, trumpet 1 comes before trumpet 6 and 7.
Of course, trumpet one comes before 6 and 7.

Seriously, who could be that bad at math where they have 6 and 7 meaning before 1 rather than after 1? Nobody, right? Once again, the fact the 6th trumpet involves the 5th seal, the 7th trumpet involves the 6th seal, clearly tells any objective person not placing their doctrinal bias' above that of common sense, that this means that the first trumpet can't be meaning after the 5th and 6th seal in that case, since it causes a mathematical impossibility with the 7 trumpets if trumpet 6 and 7 correlate with seal 5 and 6.
That's just it. Trumpet 6 and 7 do not correlate with seal 5 and 6.

The 1st four seals are the beginning of sorrows in Matthew 24. The 5th seal is the Great Tribulation of Matthew 24. The 6th seal occurs immediately after the great tribulation. Jesus comes for the second harvest and then the 7th seal is opened. The 7th seal is the wrath of God. The trumpets happen in order in the 7th seal wrath of God. Everything fits perfectly in order. There is no need to change the order of anything.
 

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Correct.


I believe you are confusing the day of Gods wrath which is the 1st six trumpets of the 7th seal with the DOTL which is the 7th trumpet.

The day of wrath lasts one year. The DOTL occurs in one day

This is bad logic. The 1st trumpet occurs in the 7th seal.......which is after the 6th seal. No problems here.

I think you are missing the fact that the 5th seal is the Great Tribulation.


No. Revelation 6:17, is the day of wrath which occur in the 7th seal. The verses you are quoting in Revelation 11 occur at the end of wrath.

Trumpet 1 occurs in the 7th seal. And the 5th seal in no way involves the 6th trumpet. The 5th seal is the great tribulation. The great tribulation is over at the 6th seal.............tribulation is not wrath.




The seals are in order. The 5th seal is the great tribulation. It is over when Jesus returns at the 6th seal. Then the 7th seal is opened, and the wrath of God begins. The trumpets of wrath are in order, 1 thru 7.


Of course, trumpet one comes before 6 and 7.


That's just it. Trumpet 6 and 7 do not correlate with seal 5 and 6.

The 1st four seals are the beginning of sorrows in Matthew 24. The 5th seal is the Great Tribulation of Matthew 24. The 6th seal occurs immediately after the great tribulation. Jesus comes for the second harvest and then the 7th seal is opened. The 7th seal is the wrath of God. The trumpets happen in order in the 7th seal wrath of God. Everything fits perfectly in order. There is no need to change the order of anything.
TDOL draws ever nigh . The signs of the times are all around us .
Man can predict solar and lunar cycles and eclipses
but many cannot discern the signs of these days .
So what i say to one i say to all be watching and be ready for ye know not the H our your Lord does come .
 
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I believe you are confusing the day of Gods wrath which is the 1st six trumpets of the 7th seal with the DOTL which is the 7th trumpet.

Excuse me for butting in, nevertheless...

The final day of this present world, the DOTL, is the specific day of 'wrath' from God upon the whole world by His consuming fire, which will end... this present world and usher all into Christ's future "thousand years" reign over all nations. This wrath on the 7th Trumpet - 3rd Woe is different than the previous events of the 1-6 vials of wrath during the 1260 days time of Testimony by God's "two witnesses" there (Rev.11).

Have you not understood what God's "two witnesses" represent per Old Testament parallel? They represent what God gave Moses and Aaron to do against Pharaoh and Egypt with the plagues of wrath. And Lord Jesus' 2nd coming parallels the Old Testament event of God leading the children of Israel out of Egypt. Even the Red Sea enveloping Pharaoh's army in final serves as a parallel to the destruction of the army by Satan's host on the last day of this world being destroyed by Christ's army descending from Heaven along with God's consuming fire on that day of Jesus' return.

The day of wrath lasts one year. The DOTL occurs in one day

The events of wrath on the Vials of Rev.16 do not last one year. I don't know where the heck you are getting that one year idea. The idea of a 'season' in the 5th Seal is about the time of "great tribulation" at the very end of this world, which is to be a period of 1260 days, however Jesus said He shortened that even.
 

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DOTL = day of the Lord.
I'm glad you clarified. I would have thought it stood for "Department of Transportation Line."

I'm pretty sure great tribulation does begin at the Dept of Transportation Line.
 

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Excuse me for butting in, nevertheless...

The final day of this present world, the DOTL, is the specific day of 'wrath' from God upon the whole world by His consuming fire, which will end... this present world and usher all into Christ's future "thousand years" reign over all nations. This wrath on the 7th Trumpet - 3rd Woe is different than the previous events of the 1-6 vials of wrath during the 1260 days time of Testimony by God's "two witnesses" there (Rev.11).
Exactly my point. The 1st six trumpets are the day of wrath which lasts one year. The Day of the Lord, the 7th trumpet occurs on one day.

Have you not understood what God's "two witnesses" represent per Old Testament parallel? They represent what God gave Moses and Aaron to do against Pharaoh and Egypt with the plagues of wrath. And Lord Jesus' 2nd coming parallels the Old Testament event of God leading the children of Israel out of Egypt. Even the Red Sea enveloping Pharaoh's army in final serves as a parallel to the destruction of the army by Satan's host on the last day of this world being destroyed by Christ's army descending from Heaven along with God's consuming fire on that day of Jesus' return.
Of course.

The events of wrath on the Vials of Rev.16 do not last one year
The 7th seal contains the trumpets and vials. They occur in the same timeframe. The 1st 6 trumpets are the one year wrath of God. The 7th trumpet is the Day of the Lord.

. I don't know where the heck you are getting that one year idea.
From scripture.

The idea of a 'season' in the 5th Seal is about the time of "great tribulation" at the very end of this world, which is to be a period of 1260 days, however Jesus said He shortened that even.
The 1260 days are not shortened. The great tribulation is shortened. If the great tribulation was not shortened there would be no flesh raptured alive at the 6th seal. All those raptured would have to come out of the grave.

And no, the 6th seal has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the 7th trumpet.
 

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Exactly my point. The 1st six trumpets are the day of wrath which lasts one year. The Day of the Lord, the 7th trumpet occurs on one day.

I still don't know where you get your 'one year' idea; especially when God's Word shows those Vials all happen within the 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe, which is "great tribulation" time. And the trib timing is to be 1260 days, although Jesus said He shortened even that.

Vials 1-6 = "great tribulation" timing; 1260 days, the latter half of the Daniel 9:27 "one week".
Vial 7 = the day of vengeance by The LORD when His 'wrath' of destruction will come upon those whom Paul said will be claiming, "Peace and safety" per 1 Thess.5. That is the "day of the Lord" Paul and Peter spoke of from the Old Testament prophets, the day of Christ's 2nd coming to gather His saints.