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Isn't the spirit in us that which comes from our own heart and mind? Isn't this what Paul was speaking of when he speaks about the daily battle between that which is good and that which is evil?
Having spirit means to be alive, having the breath of life, with functioning heart, mind, will, emotions. With body of flesh and spirit together man was created a "living soul." Why are we instructed to watch and pray that we enter not into temptation, because the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak?
I believe we are complete human when we possess both spirit (breath of life) together with flesh and blood and called "living souls." In Christ we continue to be living soul when our spirit returns to God in heaven after our body breathes its last. When our spirit ascends to heaven after our body has died, we do not cease being living souls, in heaven, having eternal life we continue to be the spiritual body without physical form.
What is the flesh?
It is the natural man. It is the carnal man that is separated from God. It is your soulish man. The Bible calls this man our “old man.” It is our old nature. So, enough said! The bad news is, he is still there if we feed him.
If Satan dropped dead tomorrow and the world was converted tomorrow to a man, you would still be left with your greatest enemy – self, or your flesh.
- Satan and the world speak to your flesh.
- The Spirit of God ministers to your spirit.
It is the Word of God!
Hebrews 4:12 says, “For the word of God is quick, and powerful (or “is alive and active”), and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.”
- We need the Word of God in order to know what is right and what is wrong. It reveals what is real, true and righteous. It keeps us within divine boundaries.
- We need the Word of God in order to correct and direct us.
- We need the Word of God to expose our threefold enemy. It exposes the nature, tactics and activities of all 3.
The natural/carnal man of flesh & blood is separated from God because the spirit in them has not been born again. I'm not sure what you mean by "soulish man"?
God formed man of the dust of the ground, body of flesh & blood, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, put spirit within man, and man became a living soul, a living breathing creature, with appetite having heart and mind possessing will and emotions.
Genesis 2:7 (KJV) And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
It is the spirit within that gives natural life to body of flesh & blood. When man's body breathes its last, the spirit given by God returns to God in heaven. The spirit within man remains natural/carnal of the earth without the presence of the Spirit of Christ within them, creating new eternal spiritual life within man. When the spirit returns to God after our natural man has died, our spirit shall only continue to be living soul in heaven, albeit without human form if we have the Spirit of Christ giving our spirit supernatural eternal/everlasting life within. The spirit of man after death is said to be in darkness and silence in the grave or ascending to God in heaven the spiritual body of Christ continuing to be living souls.
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For many who do not fully understand who the Serpent truly is, there is great confusion about how it deceived Eve. Most people assume the Serpent was “Lucifer,” a fallen angel who was once in Heaven until iniquity was found in him, and that he was then cast down to earth where he became the Serpent—also called Satan. Then had a one on one conversation with Eve. But that is not the case!
It is their result of no study of Scripture because the doctrine is inconsistent and contradictory at every turn. It's in total disharmony with everything else in the Bible. The Serpent was cursed to symbolize the unclean spirit of man. That's why God told Israel they were forbidden to eat whatsoever goes about upon the belly (Leviticus 11:42) because that represented an unclean animal, signifying unsaved man (Acts 10:14; Acts 10:28; etc.)! When we become saved, God has cleansed what was once unclean in the Spirit of Christ.
Micah 7:16-17
2nd Corinthians 11:3
Moreover see in this passage that the Apostle equates the Serpent beguiling or deceiving Eve to corruption of the mind from simplicity!! Same scenario we see again of the corruption beginning in the mind's eye and leading to sin. Consistently we see the same portrait of the working of sin. The carnal lust Eve had came from the corruption in her mind so that mankind lost that virgin purity through their own lust. Not through a fallen angel from heaven as many people thought. Rather it is her own mind was corrupted by her own lust, therefore she was deceived right there! Her sin began BEFORE she actually bit the fruit. The physical act of eating was the outward expression of the inward corruption that had already taken place in her mind.
Gen 3:6
1Jn 2:16
1Ti 2:13-14
It is their result of no study of Scripture because the doctrine is inconsistent and contradictory at every turn. It's in total disharmony with everything else in the Bible. The Serpent was cursed to symbolize the unclean spirit of man. That's why God told Israel they were forbidden to eat whatsoever goes about upon the belly (Leviticus 11:42) because that represented an unclean animal, signifying unsaved man (Acts 10:14; Acts 10:28; etc.)! When we become saved, God has cleansed what was once unclean in the Spirit of Christ.
Micah 7:16-17
- "The nations shall see and be confounded at all their might: they shall lay their hand upon their mouth, their ears shall be deaf.
- They shall lick the dust like a serpent, they shall move out of their holes like worms of the earth: they shall be afraid of the LORD our God, and shall fear because of thee."
2nd Corinthians 11:3
- "But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, SO your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ."
Moreover see in this passage that the Apostle equates the Serpent beguiling or deceiving Eve to corruption of the mind from simplicity!! Same scenario we see again of the corruption beginning in the mind's eye and leading to sin. Consistently we see the same portrait of the working of sin. The carnal lust Eve had came from the corruption in her mind so that mankind lost that virgin purity through their own lust. Not through a fallen angel from heaven as many people thought. Rather it is her own mind was corrupted by her own lust, therefore she was deceived right there! Her sin began BEFORE she actually bit the fruit. The physical act of eating was the outward expression of the inward corruption that had already taken place in her mind.
Gen 3:6
- And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
- "Saw that the tree was good for food" = lust of the flesh.
- "Pleasant to the eyes" = lust of the eyes.
- "Desired to make one wise" = pride of life
1Jn 2:16
- For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
1Ti 2:13-14
- For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
- And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
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I will jump into this.
The teaching of Christ that illustrates the natural seed or children are nothing without the spiritual seed, which is Christ. Being born the Spiritual seed is foolishness because Scripture is clear we "become" the Spiritual children through Christ. And being born the seed would be natural, of the flesh and not the spirit, because without going through the regeneration or genesis in Christ, we "cannot" be true children of God. What some neglect is that we are only the seed because of Christ's work in us. Without that, we are not the true seed. For example, the Jews were the natural seed of the woman, but that natural seed was flesh and was not permanent. This is proven to faithful Christians by the "fact" that they were cast off as children because of (Romans 11:20) unbelief. But the seed wherein we are actually "made" the undissolvable seed, and indivisible from Him as children of God, is Christ. That is the "only" seed of the woman that is a permanent body. That is the "only" true seed of promise. That is the "only" true seed of Abraham wherein we are saved.
Galatians 3:29
- "And IF ye be Christ's, THEN are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."
1st John 3:8-9
- "He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
- Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."
#1. God says whosoever commits sin is of the Devil.
#2. God says whoever says they do not commit sin is a liar (Romans 11:20), but to confess sin is to have forgiveness.
#3. But God says that when we are born again of the spirit, we do not commit sin.
So that means when we become saved is the only time that we are NOT of the Devil as #1 illustrates. And God tells us why. It is because that is when His Seed (Christ) remains in us so that by virtue of His efficacy, we can no longer sin. That effectively ends the discussion and false teaching that we were already the seed and children while we were dead in trespass and sin, of the Devil, and unrighteous before we were born again.
Our battle against sin is a spiritual battle we will wage as long as we are clothed in bodies of flesh & blood. It is through the thoughts that proceed from our natural spirit (heart, mind) that even man with the seed of the Spirit of Christ commit sin in the flesh. John cannot be saying that those who are born of God shall never again sin. John is showing us that in Christ we have the power to overcome lusts to sin in the flesh when we walk according to the Spirit and deny the lusts of our natural spirit that rules over our flesh. We can only do this by Gods grace through faith. As our faith in Christ grows greater, our natural man of flesh will sin less.
Galatians 5:16-17 (KJV) This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
1 John 5:1 (KJV) Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
1 John 5:4 (KJV) For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
1 John 5:18-21 (KJV) We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not. And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness. And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.
As Paul has written, out spiritual battle to sin not is a battle between our natural spirit (mind & heart) and our new spirit indwelt with the Spirit of Christ. We commit sin when we allow our natural spirit (mind & heart) to rule over our body of flesh. We sin NOT when we by grace through faith are led by the Spirit of Christ in us. Sin proceeds from the heart and mind (spirit) in man. Man is body + spirit and together called a living soul. Being a living soul on this earth is to be physically alive, and if we die in Christ, we continue to be a living soul in heaven spiritually alive (spiritual body) through Christ's Spirit in us.
Romans 7:23-25 (KJV) But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Matthew 12:34-37 (KJV) O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
Mark 7:20-23 (KJV) And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
That is not true. Every person (saved or unsaved) has a body, soul and spirit. I believe the soul relates to our personality - our natural man. The spirit is the spiritual man that is in touch (or union) with God. The wicked have a spirit, the only problem is, their spirit is dead. They are spiritually dead. They are therefore separated from God.
The triune makeup of God lends strongly to the view of the triune makeup of man. Man is made in the image of God – tri-partite – body, soul and spirit. 1 Thessalonians 5:23 declares, “And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole (1) spirit and (2) soul and (3) body blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.”
Man is not therefore simply spirit, Man is triune like. We are made in His image or likeness. Many conveniently leave Christ and the Holy Spirit out of their evaluation of God. We are made in that image. There is body (Christ), soul (the Father) and spirit (Holy Ghost) to God, like us.
In salvation, our spirit is raised from the dead by the Holy Spirit. We then become spiritually alive. We don't lose our soul (or natural man). We keep our personality, but God wants us to kill that self-man (or soulish man) every day.
We all have 2 opposing invisible natures within us – one earthly, natural and sinful, the other, heavenly, spiritual and holy. These are both hidden as is the Father and the Holy Spirit. Both are revealed in a physical manifestation. With God it is in Christ. With us it is our outward physical form. Scripture differentiates between the three distinct parts of man. It also divides between the two invisible parts of man.
Hebrews 4:12 says, “For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.”
The Word expressly dissects between the old natural soulish man in us and the new spiritual man. It also exposes “the thoughts and the intents of the heart.”
Every living breathing creature with the breath of life is body (outer flesh) and spirit (having breath of life). Only mankind with body of flesh, and breath of life (spirit) became a living soul. That is a picture of the Triune Godhead.
Of course Paul prays wholly (complete to the end) for the whole man, spirit, soul and body to remain blameless unto the coming of the Lord.
Hebrews 4:12 (KJV) For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
The sense is, that the truth of God is all-penetrating and searching, and that the real thoughts and intents of the heart will be brought to light and that if there is insincerity and self-deception, there can be no hope of escape.
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If our spirit did not give the breath of life to our mortal flesh there would be no human living soul upon the earth. Our life (living soul) cannot be separated from our spirit and continue to be alive. But our spirit, by the power of the Holy Spirit in us shall leave our mortal flesh and ascend to the Father in heaven ALIVE (living soul), because in life before we died our spirit was born again and can NEVER die. The soul, which speaks of life of the whole, or complete person, ceases to be alive when our mortal flesh dies in unbelief. Because to be a living soul upon this earth is to have the breath of life (spirit) giving life to our body of flesh. To be a living soul in heaven is to be a spiritual body without human form, and it is only man who has been born again that shall continue to be alive after our mortal body breathes its last.
Man has the ability to destroy one another by taking away the breath of life from our mortal body. But only God is able to destroy both body and soul in the burning flames. That's why Christ says that we who live and believe in Him need not fear dying because death is not the end for us, for in heaven we shall continue to be the spiritual body of Christ alive (living souls) there. As are the angels of God, the spirit image of Christ.
Matthew 6:25 (KJV) Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life [living soul], what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life [living soul] more than meat, and the body than raiment?
Matthew 10:28 (KJV) And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: [take our life] but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
1 Corinthians 15:35 (KJV) But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
1 Corinthians 15:44-49 (KJV) It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
The spiritual body of believers in heaven with life (living souls) will be with the Lord in heaven until the last trump sounds and our mortal flesh is resurrected and made alive again through the living spirit/soul that returns with Christ. Then we shall once again be complete man with body + spirit complete living souls, to live with Christ forever on the new earth.
1 Corinthians 15:50-53 (KJV) Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
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Therefore Joshua's fallback to the Old Julian Calendar date for his prediction has expired. We can now convict him of a false prophecy ... or consider that he just misinterpreted the message that the Lord gave him. Is that possible ... with someone who is supposed be led by the Holy Spirit ... to spread a false alarm?
I don't think so. Maybe we need to look at this another way?
Another explanation has risen about Joshua's prediction. Maybe those dates Jesus gave for Rosh Hashanah, the Feast of Trumpets, were an announcement that Jesus is coming soon, not on those particular days, but in weeks ...???
In a Galilean Wedding, the Groom, Bride and guests knew the approximate month and week of the proposed ceremony but not the day or hour. A year or two ( in our case 2,000 year) engagement period was alloted for the Groom to prepare a home for His bride and of course the bride needed to also prepare herself and then wait for the announcement of the shofar. Wine was shared at the time of His proposal to seal their committment to be married.
Close to the week set, they all had to be ready, dressed, oil in their lamps, etc. The Father would then say to the Son _ at His chosen day and hour_ "Go get your Bride". His son would go out in the streets and head towards His Bride's home and blow the shofar. All who were invited, heard the sound, got up abruptly and came out and followed him. He would arrive at His betrothed home, she would come out and would be "lifted up on a seat and carried away" to the Father's house. All the guests would follow in and the doors were shut. No late comers were allowed. The wedding ceremony would begin and the reception/ feast would last one week.
So, apparently the Father hasn't told Jesus to go get your Bride yet ... but we are anticipating that sound of the trumpet ( which is a heavenly blast blown by an angle and heard worldwide).
So maybe it was necessary to fulfill scripture, an announcement of his coming soon, not the exact day. The Jews in Jerusalem seem to be sensing a spiritual calling, having dreams and visions, seeing signs.
Blow the trumpet in Zion;
sound the alarm on my holy mountain!
Let all the inhabitants of the land tremble,
for the day of the Lord is coming, it is near, Joel 2:1
What could be the delay?
In Revelation 12, there is a war in heaven. And on earth what's going in Israel is key, since in this symbolic picture, the woman is interpreted as Israel.
Remember an angel being delayed to answer Daniel's 21 days of fasting and prayer? Michael came to his assistance to battle with the Principality ( demon) of Persia. There are spiritual wars going on that we are unaware of. Is it a coincidence that Iran is and has been an axis of evil and behind the terrorism suffered by Israel and the world?
The Big Question is, have you been nudged by the Holy Spirit to wake up, sensing the signs, alarming us to the season and time of our Lord's return? I am.
Are You Ready?
Thursday, October 9, 2025 (GMT+13)
Time in Samoa
Therefore Joshua's fallback to the Old Julian Calendar date for his prediction has expired. We can now convict him of a false prophecy ... or consider that he just misinterpreted the message that the Lord gave him. Is that possible ... with someone who is supposed be led by the Holy Spirit ... to spread a false alarm?
I don't think so. Maybe we need to look at this another way?
Another explanation has risen about Joshua's prediction. Maybe those dates Jesus gave for Rosh Hashanah, the Feast of Trumpets, were an announcement that Jesus is coming soon, not on those particular days, but in weeks ...???
In a Galilean Wedding, the Groom, Bride and guests knew the approximate month and week of the proposed ceremony but not the day or hour. A year or two ( in our case 2,000 year) engagement period was alloted for the Groom to prepare a home for His bride and of course the bride needed to also prepare herself and then wait for the announcement of the shofar. Wine was shared at the time of His proposal to seal their committment to be married.
Close to the week set, they all had to be ready, dressed, oil in their lamps, etc. The Father would then say to the Son _ at His chosen day and hour_ "Go get your Bride". His son would go out in the streets and head towards His Bride's home and blow the shofar. All who were invited, heard the sound, got up abruptly and came out and followed him. He would arrive at His betrothed home, she would come out and would be "lifted up on a seat and carried away" to the Father's house. All the guests would follow in and the doors were shut. No late comers were allowed. The wedding ceremony would begin and the reception/ feast would last one week.
So, apparently the Father hasn't told Jesus to go get your Bride yet ... but we are anticipating that sound of the trumpet ( which is a heavenly blast blown by an angle and heard worldwide).
So maybe it was necessary to fulfill scripture, an announcement of his coming soon, not the exact day. The Jews in Jerusalem seem to be sensing a spiritual calling, having dreams and visions, seeing signs.
Blow the trumpet in Zion;
sound the alarm on my holy mountain!
Let all the inhabitants of the land tremble,
for the day of the Lord is coming, it is near, Joel 2:1
What could be the delay?
In Revelation 12, there is a war in heaven. And on earth what's going in Israel is key, since in this symbolic picture, the woman is interpreted as Israel.
Remember an angel being delayed to answer Daniel's 21 days of fasting and prayer? Michael came to his assistance to battle with the Principality ( demon) of Persia. There are spiritual wars going on that we are unaware of. Is it a coincidence that Iran is and has been an axis of evil and behind the terrorism suffered by Israel and the world?
The Big Question is, have you been nudged by the Holy Spirit to wake up, sensing the signs, alarming us to the season and time of our Lord's return? I am.
Are You Ready?
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