Bible Study: The Gospel is in the Torah

[Behold]

I'm teaching a translation into the kingdom realm by grace through faith

The only way to enter the KOG< is to be born again into it.
You can't do that by your works.
God will never accept your works to accept you, as If He did that He has denied His own Son's Blood Sacrfice.


Understand...... the only way to enter the KOG, is to be born again into it.......and that takes a Spiritual birth by the Holy Spirit as the only entrance.

How does that happen?

God accepts a person's FAITH in Christ...to accept them forever..., and for no other reason will God accept anyone or keep them.
And Once they are accepted as.....= Our "FAITH is counted by God as (Christ's) Righteousness".. = imputed to them, as "THe Gift of Righteouness",,, and then God gives them the new birth that is the entrance into the KOG.

Now, that means that the SINNER, has been forgiven all sin, and God has imputed His righteousness to them, BECAUSE they have given God their FAITH in Christ. ( OUR "Faith is counted as Righteousness".) = by GOD.
God then births them spiritually into HIMSELF, as He is the KOG, and they are "IN CHRIST">. .and HE is the KOG.

The NT (KJV) teaches this as...."being translated from Darkness......TO Light".

See that "Light"?
That is the KOG, and "GOD exists IN LIGHT">.. and every born again person has entered that eternal Spiritual Light, which is the KOG.....= God Himself......>"One with God". '"IN Christ".

and all you can do is falsely accuse me

Listen..
What i do with people like you is simply use your own words to show others what you are, and what you teach.
I'll continue to do this....because you will continue to teach against the True Gospel, using your previously self defined "MY Doctrine".
And its definitely yours, and whomever is, THE Cross denying Heretic who taught it to you.
You'll pretend the Holy Spirit taught it to you, as that is always what people like you like to pretend on forums and in videos and in front of other people.
The reason we know that what you rand about is not give from the HOLY SPIRIT is because your "gospel" is so cursed, according to........ Galatians 1:8.

and justify yourself for a vain philosophy

Paul's Gospel is not a "vain Philosophy".

Paul's Gospel is simple.
= You give God your faith in Christ, and God gives you eternal forgiveness of your sin, through The Cross of Christ... and Christ's imputed Righteousness becomes the BELIEVERS... as "The GIFT of Righteousness".
This is : SALVATION.
The reason that you keep spitting on this, and denying it, is becasue you dont have it @Episkopos.
This Gospel Truth offends you, because you are a self saving Legalist, whose "gospel" is built on the sinking sand of WORKS .
You've proven that over and over, and you'll continue to do it in Threads, posts, and Videos.

based on an invented ideology that has no power over sin.

God's Grace is the "power over sin".....regarding everyone who is born again.

Paul teaches this as.. ""CHRIST always GIVES ME.. the victory""... over the flesh, the world, and the Devil.

 

[Behold]

The bible translations are full of misleading errors that create a parallel ideology that is not supported by the whole counsel of God.

Teaching that the bible is filled with errors, is the Devil's work.
Welcome to your ministry, @Episkopos .

See it takes an incredible amout of self centered pride to come to a "Christian forum", and try to cause people to lose their trust in God's word.
That's Satan's work.

Now, Let me show you where your ministry began.

A.) Satan told Eve........"hath God Said".....

See that? = That is Satan casting Doubt in Eve's mind, regarding.....her being able to TRUST God's word.
And you just did it in your post, against all the members here.. and you'll do it again because you are so very very deceived.
Satan's ministers are still doing that today.. on His behalf.

See YOU there, next time.. @Episkopos

 

[Behold]

And no wonder. Those who are relying on their own righteousness easily become enamoured with themselves. It just feeds their pride and vanity. Kind of like actors in Hollywood.

Paul actually teaches what you posted..

Paul says of People like Episkopos....>>""""THEY.. = being IGNORANT...of God's Righteous... go about trying to establish their OWN righteousness".

And that is : SELF Righteousness that rejects GOD's imputed Righteousness.

= Welcome to The Gospel of Episkopos. ....... Its this one.... Galatians 1:8

 

[ProDeo]

I'll give you a hint, ProDeo. Look in the concordance at the Greek word G1519 "eis" pronounced "ice", and compare how they translate it. The Bible translates the Bible.
With this information, look again at the verses Epi gave you.

I took a lesson in Greek, checked the first 7 chapters of the gospel of John on "in Him" with the Greek and you are right, it should be "into Him" which is certainly more loaded (if that's a correct English word to use) than "in Him".

 

[Behold]

"in Him".

Where are all the born again right now?

They are 'IN Christ".......after they were born again INTO Him.......and now they remain "IN Christ".

 

[Lizbeth]

Simple things can be hard to explain to those who are deaf and blind. Explain the colour blue to someone who has never seen. And yet a bare infant can see the colour and say "blue"

So it is with spiritual things. I try to explain spiritual things to carnal religious people here and they think I'm making things up. They don't understand the text in the bible so they won't understand other ways of saying the same thing..like "higher walk". They will say...that's not in the bible. Thus these show a complete ignorance of the meaning of anything in the bible.


This is still at the level of religious speculation, and not the power of God.

People will claim to be born again by simply placing their trust in the "finished work of the cross" naming and claiming the promises of the bible without heeding any of the conditions or hearing any of the warnings. These see grace as something to be exploited by self-interest. People learn to do these things expertly at cemeteries (seminaries or semanticaries) where the preaching of death to dead people is perfected.

At least in theory. Which fiction is better? To think one is righteous.....or to think one is as righteous as God? I know that indoctrinated people think it is safer to OVER-claim than to under-claim.

I've noticed you don't cotton on to spiritual things. Sad but not surprising for someone who calls the preaching of the gospel the preaching of death. Relying on one's own righteousness is what leads to death.

It's the power of God that brought us to faith and changed us in the first place. We experienced a miracle in our life and heart, those of us who received Christ. That doesn't mean it ends there though.

 

[Episkopos]

REAL posts that aren't filled with self-righteous unbelief are few and far between. Welcome to the modern church.

 

[ProDeo]

Where are all the born again right now?

They are 'IN Christ".......after they were born again INTO Him.......and now they remain "IN Christ".

John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

No worries, in Him or into Him, I never read the word believes in John 3:16 as something without obligations. As James said, even the demons believe. No easy belief, there are obligations.

 

[marks]

No worries, in Him or into Him, I never read the word believes in John 3:16 as something without obligations. As James said, even the demons believe. No easy belief, there are obligations.

I think this is where the detail behind our believing into Jesus is found (one place at least) :

Romans 6:3-12 KJV
3) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5) For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
6) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7) For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8) Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9) Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10) For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11) Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12) Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

What matters is that we are baptized into Jesus Christ, crucifying the old man, and raising with Him, giving life to the new man. If that has happened, you will be changed.

Much love!

 

[ProDeo]

REAL posts that aren't filled with self-righteous unbelief are few and far between. Welcome to the modern church.

I still have this pending question for you : is there a difference between a "NT saint" and a NT born again Christian ?

And a new one : what is the true sign of a born again Christian ?

 

[ProDeo]

What matters is that we are baptized into Jesus Christ, crucifying the old man, and raising with Him, giving life to the new man. If that has happened, you will be changed.

That, no escape.

 

[Episkopos]

I still have this pending question for you : is there a difference between a "NT saint" and a NT born again Christian ?

Is there are difference between a newborn and an athlete? I already answered this a few times on this thread. Many are called but few are chosen. One who is born of the Spirit is called into the race of faith. Many run but one wins the prize. Paul attested to wanting to WIN Christ. A saint has been tried and vetted and accepted in the Beloved. It is through much tribulation that we enter into the kingdom....seek the kingdom first (not many will). In today's church a saint would be as rare as fine gold. Is it because the vast majority were NOT born from above? Or were they swallowed up soon after conversion by the dragon that is loose in the Babylonian religious system? ?

And a new one : what is the true sign of a born again Christian ?

Loving God to the detriment of self. With that standard I doubt the conversion of very many. What I mainly see is self-interested hubris..a sure sign that IF that one was born again, they have failed the test of the cross.

 

[ProDeo]

Is there are difference between a newborn and an athlete? I already answered this a few times on this thread. Many are called but few are chosen. One who is born of the Spirit is called into the race of faith. Many run but one wins the prize. Paul attested to wanting to WIN Christ. A saint has been tried and vetted and accepted in the Beloved. It is through much tribulation that we enter into the kingdom....seek the kingdom first (not many will). In today's church a saint would be as rare as fine gold. Is it because the vast majority were NOT born from above? Or were they swallowed up soon after conversion by the dragon that is loose in the Babylonian religious system? ?

A born again is also a Saint, there is no difference.

Loving God to the detriment of self. With that standard I doubt the conversion of very many. What I mainly see is self-interested hubris..a sure sign that IF that one was born again, they have failed the test of the cross.

The true sign of a born again is that the person does not want to sin any longer and will change. It's through the work of the indwelling Holy Spirit we can overcome many sins, bad habits, all dedicated in love to the One who loved us first.

 

[Episkopos]

A born again is also a Saint, there is no difference.



The true sign of a born again is that the person does not want to sin any longer and will change. It's through the work of the indwelling Holy Spirit we can overcome many sins, bad habits, all dedicated in love to the One who loved us first.

So you consider yourself to be a saint?

In your view, do saints seek to win Christ?

Do saints seek first the kingdom?

Do saints work out their own salvation with fear and trembling?

Or are these moot because they are already saints?

 

[Lizbeth]

So you consider yourself to be a saint?

In your view, do saints seek to win Christ?

Do saints seek first the kingdom?

Do saints work out their own salvation with fear and trembling?

Or are these moot because they are already saints?

Was Paul a saint, who didn't consider that he had already attained and was still seeking to apprehend that for which Christ had apprehended him.....? He didn't call his race finished until he was about to die. He also admonished the church to be of the same mind as he, which was one of humility. Your understanding is not "in Spirit".

 

[Lizbeth]

So you consider yourself to be a saint?

In your view, do saints seek to win Christ?

Do saints seek first the kingdom?

Do saints work out their own salvation with fear and trembling?

Or are these moot because they are already saints?

I will further say that I perceive your understanding to be from the Tree of Knowledge (carnal mind), not the Tree of Life (Spirit). It often closely resembles the truth because the difference between flesh and spirit is like a thin fine line.

 

[Laurina]

@Lizbeth

I suggest you read a book, an autobiography.
"Autobiography of Madame Jeanne Guyon"

I really think you could benefit from her life experience.

@ProDeo
This book is about Madame Guyon's journey of becoming a saint. It's with much tribulation that we enter the kingdom of God. There are very, very many layers of "self" or "ego" that the Lord deals with, and very many surrenderings that one must consent to to be able to continue on this path. The calling of a saint is not for the faint of heart. Few it is that finds it... it's "too far" for most.
The call to love the Lord with ALL your heart, ALL your soul and ALL your mind, this was captured in this book, as well as all her surrenderings.
For those interested in the subject of holiness (that's why initially I suggested this book to @Lizbeth ), it's a good read. It shows Madame Guyon's journey.

 

[Episkopos]

Was Paul a saint, who didn't consider that he had already attained and was still seeking to apprehend that for which Christ had apprehended him.....? He didn't call his race finished until he was about to die. He also admonished the church to be of the same mind as he, which was one of humility. Your understanding is not "in Spirit".

So you say you have the same experiences as Paul? You are on the same level as he in your estimation?

The carnal tree is your own...through vain imagination. My understanding comes from having actually have walked the walk as Paul attests to. So you see things backwards....or upside down.

You equate spiritualization with being spiritual...which comes from the carnal tree (spiritualization by imagination). All your perceptions are skewed by this human interpretation that has nothing eternal to compare with in actual reality and experience. So in absence of any knowledge or understanding...you judge from yourself. If I don't spiritualize as you do with all the naming and claiming...then somehow I'm the one who isn't spiritual. You read the bible as a book of wishful thinking. God is wise to hold back the truth from all pretenders.

As long as you are smug in your own understanding, you will not experience anything of eternal value.

 

[Lizbeth]

So you say you have the same experiences as Paul? You are on the same level as he in your estimation?

Where do I come into this...? I'm not talking about myself. This is a common tactic of yours, to twist things back onto those who are not agreeing with you. Such tactics do not proceed from the Holy Spirit, but from elsewhere.

Paul was testifying that he considered he was still trying to win Christ and in process of entering the kingdom and running the race.....until death. I would say he was a saint if anyone was, wouldn't you? And he was telling us all to be of that same mind. So...there is something wrong with the way you understand and present these things.

 

[Lizbeth]

@ProDeo
This book is about Madame Guyon's journey of becoming a saint. It's with much tribulation that we enter the kingdom of God. There are very, very many layers of "self" or "ego" that the Lord deals with, and very many surrenderings that one must consent to to be able to continue on this path. The calling of a saint is not for the faint of heart. Few it is that finds it... it's "too far" for most.
The call to love the Lord with ALL your heart, ALL your soul and ALL your mind, this was captured in this book, as well as all her surrenderings.
For those interested in the subject of holiness (that's why initially I suggested this book to @Lizabeth ), it's a good read. It shows Madame Guyon's journey.

ok, thank you, I might have a look at her book. I don't dispute that we are, or should be, on a journey of a growing and fuller or deeper consecration and being separated (surrendering) from self and from the world. But I don't see that is possible without the foundation of Christ in us. What does she say about imputed righteousness?