To me the problem in a nutshell is that you are trying to establish one truth by nullifying another. Meanwhile there is no contradiction when we understand certain things spiritually rather than "logically". God calleth those things which be not as though they are....that is the grace and mercy that the children of God are indeed under while we seek to apprehend that for which Christ has apprehended us.
Bible Study: The Gospel is in the Torah
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If we confess our sins...people all over the world do this....realizing they fall short of loving their neighbour and God.
"He is faithful and just" (and merciful) to forgive us our sins.. this is an OT standard under the first law...that of doing the best we can and being honest will the failures that a self-effort brings. God is not AGAINST our self-efforts. He hates the dishonesty of trying to cover these failings up. If we confess our sins and seek to forsake them...then He forgives us. Old Testament.
..."And to cleanse us from ALL unrighteousness". This is a NT standard...the second law...by translation by the resurrection life and power of Christ into a walk in His perfection. The cleansing (atonement) in the OT was ceremonial only in nature...a marker until the power in the blood of Christ could actually sanctify people.
You do realize that naming and claiming is by one's own sense of righteousness?
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That's not what that means. You are trying to use a human logic..and whatever doesn't fit that logic you "spiritualize". But that spiritualization is still at the level of human logic. You are missing a whole dimension of the Spirit by claiming to apprehend something you have yet to be apprehended for.
What else if you sin ??
I will ask again, when is the last time you asked for forgiveness, yesterday, last week, last month, last year ?
And when you sin, do you feel the need to ask for forgiveness at all ?
I don't see 2 laws, I do understand the beauty of : And to cleanse us from ALL unrighteousness" as God's love and mercy to forgive us the sins we are not even aware of!
Anything else I consider as pride of the flesh.
Either extreme misses the mark. One can make the scriptures say whatever one wants by interpreting literal passages symbolically. Over spiritualizing is often a symptom of over using metaphors as an interpretive base. When the Spirit truly leads there is balance.
Pr 16:11 A just weight and balance are the Lord's: all the weights of the bag are his work.
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For myself, I understand that Jesus in me is my Guide, and He is Who tells me when I'm off my path, and to lead me back onto it. His Spirit in me compared to using the Law as my guide, it's like the heavens above the earth.
For one thing, Jesus in me is 24/7 leading me with a perfect understanding of me, and a perfect plan of where my life should go, all tailored and custom to my life. The Law was a covenant of obedience made between God and Israel. Jesus spoke of the Law and the Prophets as a single thing, reflects that covenant. "If you obey Me you will be My peculiar people", and, "All that you say we will do." James likewise affirms the Law is a single thing, that if you break one Law, you are a Lawbreaker.
If we try to use the Law we find we cannot. There is no temple, there are no Levites, and that alone prevents us from keeping a lot of the commands. We're left with trying to piece together those parts that we can still keep.
If we try to use the Law we find we need not, such as the tithe, In Christ, giving is not by compulsion. Food, Jesus cleansed all foods.
There is nothing in the Law that may be applicable to us today that is not surpassed greatly by the Law of Love. Being committed to other people's wellbeing, and being led by the Spirit to serve them, for me, this is the real discipleship.
2 Corinthians 3:17-18 KJV
17) Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18) But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
This verse is key to me about how we mature in the Lord. When we follow God's lead in our lives, we see His glory reflected in us, which changes us to be like Him. His glory becomes our glory, literally "out of glory into glory".
The Bible is there to teach me Who God is, what He is like, so I know if I'm being deceived, or just mistaken. But we have to be careful to not apply something meant for someone else to ourselves. It won't fit, we'll see that it doesn't fit, and we have to start changing things to make it fit. Like, we don't have to keep the kosher laws, but we do the tithes, except we don't give our tithe to the Levites, we've chosen to give them to someone else.
We don't build an ark because God told Noah to do that, not us. We don't leave Ur for Canaan, because God told Abram to do that, not us. We don't keep the Law, because God told Isreal to do that, not us. And there are many things like that, being rightly divided.
Our mirror is not the Law, it's Jesus Christ Himself, as I see this.
Much love!
He denies that we walk in the Spirit by faith.
"It is easy to get into the hard walk...and very hard to get into the easy walk...MY yoke is EASY says Jesus. But only a few are chosen to be translated into the higher walk in the Spirit. Obviously very few have that kind of faith. Of course you will say there are not 2 levels of faith either."
Romans 5:1-5 KJV
1) Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
2) By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
3) And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
4) And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
5) And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
It's the same faith. We have already received the Spirit of Christ, the Holy Spirit, Who already enables us to walk in the Spirit, if that is what we are choosing/trusting Him for.
Galatians 5:22-26 KJV
22) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23) Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24) And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25) If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
26) Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
God is not dishonest, nor is He disengenous, which is just another way of saying dishonest. The reason why He tells us to walk in the Spirit is because we can, as we trust in Him.
What prevents us from walking in the Spirit is that we attempt to live in different ways, that the Bible calls walking according to flesh, which includes us attempting to make ourselves acceptible, or more acceptible to God by our own works, which we have chosen to do.
What this one teaches is that we have to do works to be accepted by God, Who maybe or maybe not will cause us to walk in the Spirit, and this is directly refuted in these and other passages. He points people in the opposite direction of faith in Christ.
2 Peter 2:18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity . . .
When we release ourselves without reservation, knowing we cannot add to Christ's death, this is the faith that allows us access into the grace in which we stand.
Much love!
I agree. We can either fall short of the mark or overshoot it.....there is plenty of both going around. When it is the Holy Spirit enlightening us, He is showing us what the LORD intended by a thing. And when we are holding it in spirit, so to speak, it isn't the same thing as carving it into stone. And also there can be more than one depth of meaning, I believe. For one example a lot of things in the OT were spoken to the Jew first, to Israel under the Law, but they can be speaking and holding a deeper meaning for the church under grace.
1. Paul was speaking to people who he knew personally. As you said...tailored to people who shared the same experience. What I see is people trying to make an experience of 2,000 years ago to a specific people...and turn that into the same kind of universality as the law.
2. Is walking in the Spirit one thing? Yes. But the LEVEL of that walk is what is specific to the gospel. It doesn't mean that people might not be inspired by the Spirit or strengthened through meditation on the word. When a person falls from that level of grace it is devastating...not an easy in and out of walking from an inspirational perspective while still being under the law.
Again...grace is not a universally applicable standard like the law...which you admitted to yourself. Grace is by election and translation. One must understand the levels of righteousness to understand how grace is applied personally.
It goes a lot farther than that. Sometimes when people feel the most righteous they are being the most deceived.
Many will seek to enter in but be unable... strive to enter in at the strait gate. Because you say "we see" your sin remains....
I'll agree with that, it is being very well demonstrated.
I've been praying for you!
Much love!
The fact that you take that personally shows you are living an ego-centric life. It was not meant to be personal. You are very easily offended....why? A spiritual person can suffer real abuse with joy. The joy of the Lord is our strength and refuge...no need for petty offenses. Can you understand that?
I am not so sure holiness isn't a level. There seem to be different levels of behavior and fruit bearing
Rv 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
1)unjust
2)filthy
3)righteous
4)holy
Mk 4:20 And these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word, and receive it, and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred.
1)30 fold
2)60 fold
3)100 fold
Ro 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
1)good
2)acceptable
3) perfect
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
1)measure
2)stature
3)fullness
...to answer a fool, or not to answer a fool...
Your previous post to me, similar to this one, I let slide.
God sees you. You are accountable to Him for what you do and say. That should bring a fear, but you have no fear of God. Thus, the lack of wisdom.
I have witnessed your misquotings (yes, with an "s", as in plural) multiple times over the years. I have gone to the trouble of confronting your misquotes pointing out in detail where you made your error, but you insist in your error. You loved your error. You were/are/choose to be willfully blind.
I have witnessed your mocking accusations, yes, even mocking someone's testimony.
You don't see yourself. God sees you. Down deep inside, in your heart of hearts...no...your heart is not right.... you are not a man after God's heart.
"For the eyes of the LORD run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to show Himself strong in the behalf of them whose heart is perfect toward Him. Herein thou hast done foolishly" ...
I can forgive you for what you say to me since I'm of little importance in the grand scheme of things.
The question is when and/or will God allow you to have your "being stricken off your horse" moment so that you have a real "unbelievable type" (God couldn't possibly have done that!) testimony to share (that others may mock)? You are so busy acting like "Saul" (not going from town to town, but thread to thread on this forum) hunting down and trying to "kill" (stop from posting by whatever means you can come up with, accusations, ridicule, misquotings, etc.) Christians, in an attempt to what,...save people from the truth? Why was Saul/Paul killing the Christians???
You presume too much. Or maybe not, maybe you simply say what you think will work to serve your desire. I have no confidence that you communicate in sincerity, and it seems to me you do not.
Face the facts, you don't know me, and you don't know what my life, or my walk, is like. You have only your antagonism against me - and the thing to make clear to you - your words don't bother me. Because when you speak this way, negatively, presumptuously, without knowledge, these things reveal you. You aren't telling me about me. I already know about me. You are telling me about you, what is in your heart for others. The ways you choose to act towards others. You show what is in your heart.
Projecting some sort of emotionalism on others is just one of those ploys used for deflection. This has been a longstanding pattern. Should I point to poor behavior, "Oh, you're just offended, something is wrong with you", but the fact is, I've simply pointed to something inappropriate. Many people would apologize and move on, and be better in the future. But yes, some will try to just suppress it, deny it, ignore it, deflect from it.
You claim so much for yourself, but where is the evidence? It takes a real inner strength to be truthful, honest, with one's self, and others, and God.
I will continue to pray for you, that you can return to a pure faith, and a walk in love in the Lord.
Much love!
Something to mention, these verbs are Active voice. The unjust one, the filthy one, they continue to be unjust, and filthy. What they are doing.
These verbs are passive voice, this is being done to us,
Much love!
Behold
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Its God who Justifies a sinner.
A.) See The Cross of Christ for the reason why....... John 14:6
Thank you for reposting my post, as your original was religious junk.
Paul says He does impute GOD's Righteousness.
Paul teaches that its God's Righteousness that is Imputed......."THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD... in Christ".
You deny it, and you'll find out one day soon, that Paul was right,
Notice your verse says "HIS Righteouness", = we are to "seek"/
That's GOD's Righteousness.
Yoiu keep denying that this is God's Rightesous, while you post a verse that states it.
You have some serious theological issues, among other things.
See, the only way to get God's righteousness, is to receive it FROM GOD. = (DUH).....as its "The Gift of Righteousness"....."imputed righteousness".
This is how Abraham received it, and Paul teaches that unto the believer """it will also be imputed the same way"".
=. "BY FAITH"
Your "Doctrine" has as much to do with Paul's teaching as a cat's head has to do with a bicycle wheel.
Its God who justifies... Romans 8.
And that is because Salvation is all of God, through Christ......its "THE Gift of Salvation".
Its God who Justifies a sinner.
And The Cross of Christ is the ONLY Justification........as this is the Blood of Jesus shed for the sin of the world.
And God JUSTIFIES every BELIEVER, with this Blood Atonement, as soon as they Give God their Faith in Christ.
Our "FAITH is counted as RIGHTEOUENSS".... and that is Paul's theology, that is "the RIGHTEOUSNESS of Faith", that you deny.
You'll find that most Christians in the world, and on this forum, are confessing sin.
If they are doing that, then they are not free from it.
The only way to be free from it, is by being UNDER = God's Grace.. and that means that the Chrisitan has to understand their Salvation.
Its that simple.
The born again are already "in Christ'......"one with God"....."seated in Heavenly places".
They are only waiting on their New Body, as their Salvation is already assured. They are already "sealed unto the Day of Redemption"., and that is the day they get their New Body and the finally "conformed into the image of Christ""
Salvation is not "over sin".
Salvation is "reconciliation UNTO GOD".
2 Corin 5:19
A Christians ia already and FOREVER.: = "an Heir of God" and a "Joint Heir with Christ"..
Find those verses in Galatians and Romans if you own a bible, or "Google it" as you usually do.
Your Salvation Testamony does not have The Cross in it.. or Forgiveness of Sin in it. ...or Faith in Christ in it...... nor The Gospel of Paul in it.
And we are waiting for you to revise your Testamony and put all those in it, to try to fool people.
As this is your "MY Doctrine".. ministry.
Now, you are a thoroughbred deceiver, according to your posts, Threads, and Videos... .. and The Gospel you teach is '"perverted""...and Paul defines it as so.. and you also... in Galatians 1:7
He defines you as a person who "perverts the Gospel".
= This is your Gospel.. and its as Anti-Cross and Anti-Christ as ive ever read.
This is your Gospel @Episkopos
1.) Paul's Gospel is "delusion"..
2.) and : "The Cross is not about Forgiveness"
3.) and : the "new covenant (Jesus's blood sacrifice) is not about Salvation".
4.) God doed not give anyone His rightteousness.
Paul's, "Gospel of the Grace of God" that is "The Gift of Righteousness' that is "impurted righteosness"....is neither a theory nor a ideology,.
Its THE Gospel....as Paul defines it.
Its not yours, thats for certain.., as you've proven and will again, unless you revise it completely along with your Salvation Testimony.
And you're the type to do exactly that..
The Gospel is : = HOW to be forgiven all sin, and reconciled to God Spiritually, = FOREVER.
This is why the end result is to be........"Made Righteousess" and "BORN AGAIN".
Behold
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What a theologically ignorant post you posted again.
Listen up.
God only has HIS OWN RIGHTEOUSNE To Impute.......understand?
There is NO OTHER RIGHTEOUSNESS, that God would "impute" as Righteousness.
"Well what about "Christ's Righteoueness"..
A.) Jesus is God........ so, its God's OWN Righteousness.
Behold
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Yes, Satan does have a Gospel, quite a few.... and they pervert the Gospel of "inputed righteousness" and "Faith is counted as Righteousness".. and state that "The Cross is not about Forgiveness".
Satan's Gospel is YOUR Gospel, @Episkopos .
Lets let the readers and the (Mods) see your Gospel again, and their is no mistaking that your Gospel is CROSS REJECTING>.
This is your Gospel @Episkopos
1. Paul's Gospel is "delusion"..
2.) and : "The Cross is not about Forgiveness"
3.) and : the "new covenant (Jesus's blood sacrifice) is not about Salvation".
Hey Captain Obvious did you know the sky is blue?...lol...just joking. I have already mentioned I agree with imputed righteous by grace through faith.
seriously, I was trying to illustrate the difference of degree in the various levels. Is that something you see?
Behold
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I am completely accountable for my words and deeds..
This is why my over 400 Threads posted on This forum, all give Jesus The Christ, = all the credit do Him alone for being our Salvation.
Almost all my Posts, over 23,000......will usually Talk about The Cross, or being Made Righteous Through Christ, and how to receive the "Gift of Righteousness', or how to understand Paul's Gospel.
I only Teach Paul's Doctrine, regarding Faith, Salvation, Imputed Righteousness, and all the other "Church Doctrine, as it all came from Paul.
Now.... see there, you've just learn something else from me. @Laurina
I hope you appreciate it.
And once again....there is no $$$$ charge.
Quote me, dont just imply your lies. @Laurina.
God absolutely looks at my heart and my actions.
He sees your's also.
He sees that you are dishoinest, and God sees you chase heretics and support their false theology on this Forum.
He sees you....
Believe it.
So do we.
The only thing you can forgiveis your own misunderstanding and false innuendo..
So, forgive yourself .. @Laurina
Listen.....You support GOSPEL heresies on This forum, so there is no way that you and I are going to agree.
And God wants it just like that.........believe it.
Listen up little finger pointing bible noob.....Its you and that heretical one you chase on this Thread and others and defend....are who need to keep an eye out for the lightning "out of the blue."
"God is not mocked ". .and that perversion of God's Gospel, that your hero loves to perform here, is going to catch him up short one day.
HE has a comeuppance to be delivered, and the only reason for the delay, is... ECCL 8:11
You dont want to be near...
Thats a fact.
As for me....Im blessed, and "no weapon forumed against me shall prosper".. and "every tongue that rises up against me, i will get to condemn".
Believe it.
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