Not a future seeing Jesus coming guy

[MatthewG]

Thank you for sharing your perspective, @Douggg. While I respectfully disagree and do not subscribe to that view, I appreciate your honesty and directness.

To be clear, I’m not questioning anyone’s salvation or dictating how they should live out their faith. My intention is simply to highlight the inconsistencies I often see when people quote Scripture as if they hold exclusive authority over its interpretation — especially when they use it to invalidate others’ understanding or personal convictions.

I value honest and straightforward conversation, and I aim to offer the same in return. That’s all I’m doing here — being transparent and sincere in how I engage.

 

[HealthyShape]

Latter days, Latter years, when Israel is a nation again made up of its people coming out of the nations describes modern day Israel.

It is not reasonable to think that tanks, artillery, armored personnel carriers, etc. would have been terms used in the prophecy.

The problem with your reasoning is that if you want to say the prophecy is not literal in this, I can say it is not literal in that. Therefore, we have nothing. It may be about church instead of literal Israel or something.

Do you see the problem? You are just cherry picking to make it fit your eschatology. And what does not fit (Ethiopia, horses...), then that is not literal...

Another problem for your view is that Ezekiel was written during the Babylonian exile. Therefore, it is much more probable he is talking about that exile, not about after Christ exile.

 

[JLB]

People say and suggest whatever they want on my post.

You wont be able to get around Peter quoting Joel concerning the fulfilment of the last days being upon them. Sorry.

Hey Matthew, hope you are doing well today.

Here are some scriptures for you to consider.


Now these things became our examples, to the intent that we should not lust after evil things as they also lusted. And do not become idolaters as were some of them. As it is written, “The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.” Nor let us commit sexual immorality, as some of them did, and in one day twenty-three thousand fell; nor let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed by serpents; nor complain, as some of them also complained, and were destroyed by the destroyer. Now all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages have come. 1 Corinthians 10:6-11

As of the writing of this epistle around 55 AD, Paul says upon whom the ends of the ages have come…


Jesus the sign of His coming and the end of the age which includes the resurrection of the dead in Christ, and also said it would be on the last Day.


He gave the sign just before His Coming.

• the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven

He said His coming would be seen.

• they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Matthew 24:29-31


My Question for Matthew:


Do you believe the resurrection is past?

 

[MatthewG]

Yes — I believe the resurrection has already occurred.


I understand you're referencing the passage where Paul addresses concerns about two individuals who were spreading the idea that the resurrection had already taken place (see 2 Timothy 2:17–18). Paul was clarifying the confusion of that time, and I respect the context of his correction.


However, this is precisely why historical and cultural context matters. Without understanding the people and the times they lived in, it’s easy to quote a verse and use it to dismiss others — saying, for example, “See, Matthew, you’re just like those two who were wrong, and therefore you’re not saved.”


But my view is different. I see the resurrection not as a singular future event, but as an ongoing reality — a spiritual process in which individuals die, are raised, and judged. They receive spiritual bodies and are either placed within or outside the Kingdom, as far as I can discern from Scripture.


I also believe that Revelation chapters 1–20 depict the closing of the Mosaic age — the age in which Jesus lived and ministered. This was the age foretold to Israel, and its culmination came with the arrival of Jesus and John the Baptist, who both called the nation to repentance and warned of impending judgment.


This interpretation may challenge traditional views, but it’s rooted in a desire to understand Scripture in its full historical and covenantal context. I welcome discussion, not to provoke division, but to encourage deeper study and spiritual clarity.

 

[soberxp]

13:8
For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.

Do you think this is the current world situation?

 

[HealthyShape]

13:8
For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.

Do you think this is the current world situation?

No.

 

[soberxp]

No.

OK, I see. But I don't think there's a better day for that.

 

[HealthyShape]

OK, I see. But I don't think there's a better day for that.

What about a day in which actually some kingdoms rise against each other?

 

[soberxp]

What about a day in which actually some kingdoms rise against each other?

You never care about the international situation?
Almost half the world is at war,
It's not just between countries. It's also between group of men.

 

[HealthyShape]

You never care about the international situation?
Almost half the world is at war,
It's not just between countries. It's also between group of men.

You are talking nonsense. Name two kingdoms in a war, currently.

 

[soberxp]

You are talking nonsense. Name two kingdoms in a war, currently.

Russo-Ukrainian war, Iraq-Israeli War, Pakistan and India.
A trade war between the United States and China and the rest of the world.
It is not just the apparent countries that are taking part in this confrontation.


Wait and see, this is just the beginning.

 

[HealthyShape]

Russo-Ukrainian war, Iraq-Israeli War, Pakistan and India.
A trade war between the United States and China and the rest of the world.
It is not just the apparent countries that are taking part in this confrontation.


Wait and see, this is just the beginning.

These are not kingdoms. Do you know what the word "kingdom" means?

 

[MatthewG]

No I don't think what you are quoting has anything to do with today.


Imagine them hearing all these things and having no internet...

Just cause you have access to the World Wide Web, and The Tv... doesn't mean anything....

 

[MatthewG]

No I don't think what you are quoting has anything to do with today.


Imagine them hearing all these things and having no internet...

Just cause you have access to the World Wide Web, and The Tv... doesn't mean anything....

It's not even about imagining....

It's about - think and consider...

Just quoting a scripture doesn't mean anything in the face of the whole context and content....

I've shared countless times...

 

[MatthewG]

People should do a word study on World, and Earth...

Sometimes - World doesn't mean the whole world, and Earth doesn't mean the whole earth.

People have problems in the world. Its nothing new.... but the problems with Israel in that day in age was told to a people of that day in age...

 

[MatthewG]

Russo-Ukrainian war, Iraq-Israeli War, Pakistan and India.
A trade war between the United States and China and the rest of the world.
It is not just the apparent countries that are taking part in this confrontation.


Wait and see, this is just the beginning.

So what?

Problems like this have always existed even before Jesus came... - - - But when Jesus came - it had to deal with the 12 tribes then and there at the time....

That's the problem with just quoting scripture and saying oh this is to us today.

 

[HealthyShape]

Why would God give a prophecy about our future to Ezekiel and not to us instead. Think about that.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

It's been a lot easier coming forward and just being openly honest with everyone on the board that I am not some future seeing jesus coming guy. I just dont want to cause you false hope on those matters cause just think for a minute how many people have been duped in life concerning this message of false hope, not only that the messages of you if you dont change your ways God is gonna be mad at you all the while you beliving in the resurrected Lord Yeshua.


People out there man, we can be abusive. Especially for people who are leaders of a group -- they gotta "protect the fold" ..

That was teh Apostles job in their day when they ... was "in charge of protecting the fold..." "and governing the body of Christ"

which was living breathing people.

I don’t see false hope. While I do agree with some of what you say regarding there’s so many falsehoods promising false hope. I grew up automatically knowing the word “rapture”. I heard of the event as a little girl. I didn’t understand but only programmed I didn’t want to be left. I grew up mostly in baptist churches, preaching hell fire and brimstone. As an adult I watched Jack van impe and his wife. I do understand your reluctance in they also had me expecting his coming of a rapture that leaves people behind. To me that was false hope.

But I don’t see false hope in Paul’s groan for others to be unveiled and given sight to see.

 

[MatthewG]

That's great. I find great relief in knowing the Lord Yeshua, the hope of glory. @VictoryinJesus

 

[MatthewG]

Jesus is the hopy of glory, whom lives within us.

Paul's teachings are wonderful! Especailly if you use it in context, you will still gain gleannings off of his writing and others... in my opinion.

Lot of people give flack about James but I find his whole letter spiritually insightful!