IF YOU THINK MATTHEW 24:29-30 WAS FULFILLED IN 70AD PLEASE SHOW ME WHY

[MatthewG]

Well I mean, if I am 54 years old (I techincally hope I die before that), and there is nothing to see.

That would have made you a false prophet. Only thing is, gotta wait on that one good sir.

It's cool if you don't care and want to be right in your own mind that is totally okay with me.

Im not questioning or anything about your salvation, I know you believe in teh death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus.





I do understand that prophecies would cease according to some scripture in the bible.

 

[HealthyShape]

Whatever you want to believe is okay by me, but for me, I will hold onto what I believe is the right understand of Genea as "an Age," In Matt 24:34.

This is not about personal beliefs, but about the rules of the Greek language.

And Yes, aionos, G:0165, is also understood to have the meaning of an age as well as world.

Not "also", but aionos is the word for that.

G:1074 is translated in the KJV as either an age or a generation, go figure.

The KJV is not in modern English, so it confuses many readers who "discover" things in it. Most of the time the KJV is an OK translation, but the archaic English they used had a different meaning than people think today.

When you find some specialty that is only in the KJV and in no modern translation, be very careful.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

If you think Matthew 24:29-30 was fulfilled in 70AD I would like to hear why you believe so

[Mat 24:29-30 KJV] 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

No, this is the verse that shows the destruction of the temple in 70 AD. "Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down.” The disciples asked more than one question. Matthew goes on to recite things to happen before the end of the age and His second coming.

 

[Doug]

No, this is the verse that shows the destruction of the temple in 70 AD. "Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down.” The disciples asked more than one question. Matthew goes on to recite things to happen before the end of the age and His second coming.

Matthew 24:29-30 says nothing of the temple destruction

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Matthew 24:29-30 says nothing of the temple destruction

What does not one stone left upon another mean to you and @Jay Ross. What denomination are you. This doesn't go over most people's heads.

 

[Behold]

When you find some specialty that is only in the KJV and in no modern translation, be very careful.

Actually, the reverse of what you stated is true.
The fact is, when you find some "new bible" with some "speciality" in it that is not found in the KJV< then the NEW Bible has a problem.

"NEW" bibles are not necessarily created to be more accurate, they are mostly created to be "easier to read"..is how they are marketed by people who want to sell you their next "new" one........ and to make a bible "easier to read", means most new bibles omit verses and change doctrine.

The KJV is not difficult to read.........its just that you have to get use to it.
In many cases, its verses are much "clearer" then found in a "New" Bible.

 

[HealthyShape]

Actually, the reverse of what you stated is true.
The fact is, when you find some "new bible" with some "speciality" in it that is not found in the KJV< then the NEW Bible has a problem.

"NEW" bibles are not necessarily created to be more accurate, they are mostly created to be "easier to read"..is how they are marketed by people who want to sell you their next "new" one........ and to make a bible "easier to read", means most new bibles omit verses and change doctrine.

The KJV is not difficult to read.........its just that you have to get use to it.
In many cases, its verses are much "clearer" then found in a "New" Bible.

I cannot even count how many times I read some nonsense from the KJV readers who just did not understand the old English. Read NIV or something if you are not a linguistic expert. Or at least NKJV.

 

[Doug]

What does not one stone left upon another mean to you and @Jay Ross. What denomination are you. This doesn't go over most people's heads.

Thats in Matthew 24:2 not Matthew 24:29-30...........................[Mat 24:2 KJV] 2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

 

[Behold]

I cannot even count how many times I read some nonsense from the KJV readers who just did not understand the old English. Read NIV or something if you are not a linguistic expert. Or at least NKJV.

On Fourms, its pretty much endless, the "nonsense" that is also posted by poeple who dont use the KJV or any bible.
Most Christians who are terrible bible students only use their commentaries or some online site as their "bible study".
Im certain you can realize this.... as you are currently doing it.


Also, The NIV is one of the very worst of the "New" Translations.
Put it in the dumpster... it is junk......It not really a true translation of the K.Grk Manuscript">. its sort of a cross beteen a transliteration and a made up text.
There is at least one Thread on this forum that details all the errors in the NIV.. all the missing words that ruin the verse's context... or all the many omitted verses......and all of the changes in the wording of verses that destroy the doctrine that should be found in the verse.
You can find those Threads, if you are interested.
Or you can do a verse by verse NT study of the NIV using a KJV and it wont take you long before you are sitting there going....

"why did they take out all those verses in the NIV"

"why does the NIV completely change the meaning of that verse, over and over and over".

 

[Waiting on him]

Thats in Matthew 24:2 not Matthew 24:29-30...........................[Mat 24:2 KJV] 2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

The sun moon and stars is a reference to Israel.

Joseph’s dream in Genesis gives insight to this.

 

[Jay Ross]

What denomination are you.

I do not fit the traditional conformity of many denominations and as such I am a Callithumpian.

Australian meaning: - Callithumpian: "A member of an unspecified non-conformist religious sect."

In American slang it is used to describe "a person who is a member of a noisy, boisterous band or parade."

There are many callithumpians on this forum who are noisy about what they "might" believe. Who often are moving in the direction of the predominate breeze at that particular time.

 

[Waiting on him]

I do not fit the traditional conformity of many denominations and as such I am a Callithumpian.

Australian meaning: - Callithumpian: "A member of an unspecified non-conformist religious sect."

In American slang it is used to describe "a person who is a member of a noisy, boisterous band or parade."

There are many callithumpians on this forum who are noisy about what they "might" believe. Who often are moving in the direction of the predominate breeze at that particular time.

Do we really have any idea what the sign of Jonah was?

 

[Jay Ross]

Do we really have any idea what the sign of Jonah was?

Not many people really have any idea what the sign of Jonah was all about.

 

[Waiting on him]

Not many people really have any idea what the sign of Johan was all about.

I’m not avoiding your questions from the other day. Im just waiting for God to speak.

 

[Waiting on him]

But, they’re good questions.

 

[Jay Ross]

I’m not avoiding your questions from the other day. I'm just waiting for God to speak.

I know that I am not the God you want to speak to you.

But, they’re good questions.

Yes, so is, when should I go to sleep so that I do not miss anything on this forum?

 

[HealthyShape]

On Fourms, its pretty much endless, the "nonsense" that is also posted by poeple who dont use the KJV or any bible.
Most Christians who are terrible bible students only use their commentaries or some online site as their "bible study".
Im certain you can realize this.... as you are currently doing it.


Also, The NIV is one of the very worst of the "New" Translations.
Put it in the dumpster... it is junk......It not really a true translation of the K.Grk Manuscript">. its sort of a cross beteen a transliteration and a made up text.
There is at least one Thread on this forum that details all the errors in the NIV.. all the missing words that ruin the verse's context... or all the many omitted verses......and all of the changes in the wording of verses that destroy the doctrine that should be found in the verse.
You can find those Threads, if you are interested.
Or you can do a verse by verse NT study of the NIV using a KJV and it wont take you long before you are sitting there going....

"why did they take out all those verses in the NIV"

"why does the NIV completely change the meaning of that verse, over and over and over".

I did a lot of actual study, even of Greek manuscripts. I am almost sure you do not know what you are talking about, like all of those who think the KJV is the best and modern translations (and Greek editions) are some kind of a scam.

Googling and clicking on the links which support your view is not studying. Flat Earthers also think they did the "research" and that the mainstream scientists are stupid or liars. It is called living in a bubble.

 

[Muna]

Not many people really have any idea what the sign of Johan was all about.

Did he say Jonah but mean Johan? You each wrote different names down but I did not see where the topic was brought up between you. Because if you both meant Jonah it's spelled Jonas in the Greek translation and the sign is here

The sign in two places, here...

Matt 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign;
and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

Matt 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of
man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

The sign of Jonas consisted of his death and burial.

They wanted a sign here also and he answered them the same this way

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

They thought he meant the one that took 46 years to build but again

John 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

In both the contexts they were seeking a sign, and that was the one he gave, his death and resurrection

 

[Doug]

The sun moon and stars is a reference to Israel.

Joseph’s dream in Genesis gives insight to this.

Matthew 24:2 says nothing about the heavens being shaken.

Yes the moon and the stars are use figuratively but in Matthew 24:29-30 they are literal

 

[HealthyShape]

Yes the moon and the stars are use figuratively but in Matthew 24:29-30 they are literal

With your insistence on it being literal you created a problem for yourself. It did not help you with anything.

You know that stars are the suns of other solar systems, right? So, what would "falling", if literal, even mean? Falling where?