No one has seen God at any time, John?

[Matthias]

Yes is true ….

Tell @marks. You said, and have now confirmed, that trinitarians reject Christ.

... but again (apparently for lack of understanding) you misrepresent what I said.

I understood you.

Israel (for the most part, officially) rejected Christ...in the flesh. The (for the most part, officially) have rejected Christ...in the Spirit.

Connect it with your assertion that those who reject Christ in any way - you said equivocally that trinitarians do - will weep and gnash their teeth.

 

[ScottA]

You absolutely did say that trinitarians reject Christ; therefore ”those” logically includes trinitarians.

You can’t escape what you said about the trinitarians but, if you want to, you can spin how they aren’t included among those who will weep and gnash their teeth. If you do, please address it to the attention of @marks.

I have clarified already.

But understand that as stated through the lens of your limited theology, even your quotes are askew. Do you not know that if you empty yourself and only partially refill, you leave room for error?

 

[Matthias]

I have clarified already.

Then @marks has no excuse for ignoring that you said trinitarians reject Christ and those who reject Christ will weep and gnash their teeth.

But understand that as stated through the lens of your limited theology, even your quotes are askew. Do you not know that if you empty yourself and only partially refill, you leave room for error?

 

[ScottA]

Ah, so you are now also more knowledgeable than Paul.

No, perhaps even very much less. But I do know that part that was given to me, but not to Paul.

 

[Matthias]

@Riven, knowing me as well as you do now, what do you think about the accusation that I align myself with atheists, unbelieving Jewish monotheists and trinitarians against the deity of the non-trinitarian mystic?

 

[Riven]

He did.

Then at least one person has seen God. Sort of. Then again, if it was obly Moses who saw it, it's more like, "Trust me, bro..."

 

[Matthias]

Then at least one person has seen God. Sort of. Then again, if it was obly Moses who saw it, it's more like, "Trust me, bro..."

Moses is a believing Jewish monotheist. I trust him. He didn’t see God’s face, he saw God’s back.

If I saw only your back I still can say that I’ve seen you.

 

[dak]

Connect it with your assertion that those who reject Christ in any way - you said equivocally that trinitarians do - will weep and gnash their teeth.

It's probably easier resolved using screenshots of those posts.



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[Matthias]

It's probably easier resolved using screenshots of those posts.

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Thank you. That’s a good idea. For most people that would resolve it. Even after @ScottA himself confirmed that he said it, he still has @marks snowed.

 

[marks]

Thank you. That’s a good idea. For most people that would resolve it. Even after @ScottA himself confirmed that he said it, he still has @marks snowed.

@ScottA , do you hold me to be a "Christ rejector", facing wailing and gnashing of teeth?

Much love!

 

[ScottA]

Thank you. That’s a good idea. For most people that would resolve it. Even after @ScottA himself confirmed that he said it, he still has @marks snowed.

That snow is in your own globe. You simply misunderstood and assumed what fit your narrative. And becomes of it I made clarification.

 

[Matthias]

That snow is in your own globe. You simply misunderstood and assumed what fit your narrative. And becomes of it I made clarification.

@dak. You posted the screenshots. Is he being honest or am I?

If you think he is, that’s fine. Just please explain to me how you came to that conclusion, if you do.

 

[Matthias]

Be honest @ScottA. You were when you said you go beyond what is written in scripture. Tell at @marks: Are you a trinitarian or are you a non-trinitarian? (You both know that I’m not a trinitarian.)

You aren’t aligned with me. Are you aligned with one another?

 

[dak]

@dak. You posted the screenshots. Is he being honest or am I?

If you think he is, that’s fine. Just please explain to me how you came to that conclusion, if you do.

The way you have read those posts is exactly the same way I read them even as they were first posted when we were on that page of the thread. Going back to make screenshots only confirmed that I, (and you), had read them for just what they say.

 

[Riven]

Moses is a believing Jewish monotheist. I trust him. He didn’t see God’s face, he saw God’s back.

If I saw only your back I still can say that I’ve seen you.

But why would Yaweh have a back to be seen?

 

[marks]

Be honest @ScottA. You were when you said you go beyond what is written in scripture. Tell at @marks: Are you a trinitarian or are you a non-trinitarian? (You both know that I’m not a trinitarian.)

You aren’t aligned with me. Are you aligned with one another?

Scott and I communicate just fine with each other. You are intentionally trying to create a rift in that. You don't see the problem here?

 

[marks]

That snow is in your own globe. You simply misunderstood and assumed what fit your narrative. And becomes of it I made clarification.

That's how it looked to me.

Much love!

 

[ScottA]

@ScottA , do you hold me to be a "Christ rejector", facing wailing and gnashing of teeth?

Much love!

Thank you, apparently more clarification is needed (not that I have not publicly done so already elsewhere). @Matthias and I have exhausted many such topics, but this is good!

The Church in general (officially) has indeed rejected Christ in Spirit. But many more than have rejected Christ, are the victims of the "false teachers" to their own destruction, causing many to "believe a lie." Meaning, yes many will weep and many others will gnash there teeth for having taken part. That makes for--not for one group weeping and gnashing because of their destruction--but rather three groups, one bringing destruction upon themselves, one weeping for having their child-like faith victimized, and another sweating their eternal fate.

The official position of the Church has been and continues to be that after Christ throughly explained that He would go to the Father and "soon" send the Holy Spirit, telling all that "must shortly come to pass"; even clarifying that it was He who would "soon" come, saying, "Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me"--returning--as having first gone to the Father. Which, being men of flesh and blind to the Spirit, "false teachers" not seeing Jesus return beginning "soon" at Pentecost, began to believe and teach "a lie" about His return--not "soon"--but at a future time.

So, no, I consider you and many good Christians and friends--victims.

@dak
@Matthias

 

[Matthias]

Scott and I communicate just fine with each other. You are intentionally trying to create a rift in that. You don't see the problem here?

No. I’m trying to tie you tightly together.

Non-trinitarian and trinitarian- snug as a bug in a rug.

 

[Matthias]

That's how it looked to me.

Much love!

Look at the screenshots.