Bibliolatry: Worship/knowledge of the book MORE than the author

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
I don't believe in a pre-incarnate Christ. That's not what the Logos was. IMHO

Not sure of why you said "Christ" above, I'd prefer Jesus. Are you saying that the Father, the Logos/Word and the Holy Spirit were not all three pure 'spirit'? (John 4:24 God is spirit.)

That God is spirit, is my opinion and the triune God never had a "carnal/flesh" image/form/substance. That's why the Word was pre-incarnate before becoming flesh in Mary.

Are we far enough down the rabbit hole here? Sure keeps the post shorter than normal....that's good.

I use the term "pre-incarnate Christ", because that is the doctrinal position of some denominations. (as I understand it)
But I think that a real understanding of the Word (Logos) doesn't support that common doctrine.

But it begs the question about theophanies. (OT appearances of Christ) ???

"Theophany is an encounter with a deity that manifests in an observable and tangible form.
It is often confused with other types of encounters with a deity, but these interactions are not
considered theophanies unless the deity reveals itself in a visible form."

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[Hillsage]

St. SteVen said:
I don't believe in a pre-incarnate Christ. That's not what the Logos was. IMHO

I use the term "pre-incarnate Christ", because that is the doctrinal position of some denominations. (as I understand it)
But I think that a real understanding of the Word (Logos) doesn't support that common doctrine.

But it begs the question about theophanies. (OT appearances of Christ) ???

"Theophany is an encounter with a deity that manifests in an observable and tangible form.
It is often confused with other types of encounters with a deity, but these interactions are not
considered theophanies unless the deity reveals itself in a visible form."

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St. SteVen said:
I don't believe in a pre-incarnate Christ. That's not what the Logos was. IMHO

I use the term "pre-incarnate Christ", because that is the doctrinal position of some denominations. (as I understand it)
But I think that a real understanding of the Word (Logos) doesn't support that common doctrine.

Getting back to the OP title for this thread 2,331 posts back.....

Bibliolatry: Worship/knowledge of the book MORE than the author​

....and then jumping to where I first joined in at post 2,284 concerning the very definition of: "Christian", "Christ", "Jesus the Christ", "Jesus Christ", "Christ Jesus", "Jesus who is called Christ", "Christ is son of David", "Christ the Lord", "the Christ of the Lord" "Christ the son of God", "Messias...called Christ". And this list just comes from 60X in the 4 gospels.

I have no idea how many times the Strongs Reference Number 5547 Greek word Christos is actually even in the KJV NT. My online E-Sword bible program below says 569 times. But my purchased computer bible program from decades ago says Christos is in the KJV 530 times. When I google the same question it comes up with 942 times.

I still believe there are depths to this word that few, if any, truly know. I know I'm at wits end but feel I know a whole lot more than I used to know.

But it begs the question about theophanies. (OT appearances of Christ) ???

"Theophany is an encounter with a deity that manifests in an observable and tangible form.
It is often confused with other types of encounters with a deity, but these interactions are not
considered theophanies unless the deity reveals itself in a visible form."

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Don't know where you're wanting to go with this. Doesn't fit the OP question at all IMHO, or where this thread has been since I showed up. So it may just be 'new thread material' for you. Thanks for being civil with me.

 

[Behold]

St. SteVen said:
I don't believe in a pre-incarnate Christ. That's not what the Logos was. IMHO

Its Jesus THE Christ.

So, "Christ" means, the "anointed one".

I use the term "pre-incarnate Christ",

It would be "pre-incarnate" = Jesus, as Jeus is "God manifested in the the flesh".....So, that is Jesus the God-man who is the incarnation of the "God-head">.

"Theophany is an encounter with a deity

What "deity?

Lucifer, Satan, ?

Melchizedek?

A UFO Captain?

Thor?

Zeus?

 

[St. SteVen]

Getting back to the OP title for this thread 2,331 posts back.....

Bibliolatry: Worship/knowledge of the book MORE than the author​

....and then jumping to where I first joined in at post 2,284 concerning the very definition of: "Christian", "Christ", "Jesus the Christ", "Jesus Christ", "Christ Jesus", "Jesus who is called Christ", "Christ is son of David", "Christ the Lord", "the Christ of the Lord" "Christ the son of God", "Messias...called Christ". And this list just comes from 60X in the 4 gospels.

I have no idea how many times the Strongs Reference Number 5547 Greek word Christos is actually even in the KJV NT. My online E-Sword bible program below says 569 times. But my purchased computer bible program from decades ago says Christos is in the KJV 530 times. When I google the same question it comes up with 942 times.

I still believe there are depths to this word that few, if any, truly know. I know I'm at wits end but feel I know a whole lot more than I used to know.

If your research on the word "Christ" has something to do with the OP, it escapes me. Please explain, if there is something significant there. Thanks.

Other than that, I was pretty sure you have observed this phenomenon of bibliolatry among Christians. Could you comment on that?

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[One 2 question]

The Holy Spirit cause the bible to be created.

Yes, the Holy Spirit caused the bibles to be compiled.

So, He will talk to you through the word of God..

I'm assuming you are refering to the bibles when you use the term, word of God. Then yes, He does.

In fact, He will lead you using the scriptures, regarding decisions you need to make., as well as giving you revelations from the bible that you need to learn.

Again, I'm assuming when you use the word scriptures, bible and word of God you are refering to the same thing and using them interchangeably.

Could I add to these, 'every word that proceeds from the mouth of God' as Jesus said? Also add, 'all truth' that the Holy Spirit will lead people into?

 

[Behold]

Yes, the Holy Spirit caused the bibles to be compiled.

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Not all of them.

Could I add to these, 'every word that proceeds from the mouth of God' as Jesus said? Also add, 'all truth' that the Holy Spirit will lead people into?

The Bible contains all the Truth of God that He wants us to know.... Its HIS REVELATION.

= "Thy word is Truth".

= "God esteems His word, above His Name".

So, you are listening to voices, or "leadings" or who knows what..... while you do not use the "word of Truth", The Holy Bible, for years, you told us.
= Thats a real problem for you, that we have realized.

 

[St. SteVen]

Interesting comparative of quotes.

The Bible contains all the Truth of God that He wants us to know.... Its HIS REVELATION.

Not all of them.

LOL
Not all Bibles contain "all the Truth of God that He wants us to know.... Its HIS REVELATION." ???
WOW
How did that happen?

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[Behold]

Not all Bibles contain "all the Truth of God that He wants us to know.... Its HIS REVELATION." ???
WOW
How did that happen?

"Thy words are Spirit and Life".

 

[One 2 question]

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Not all of them.




The Bible contains all the Truth of God that He wants us to know.... Its HIS REVELATION.

Where did YOU get this information that says, 'the Bible contains all the Truth of God that He wants us to know'? I've never read this in any bibles.

= "Thy word is Truth".

Agreed. 'Not the bibles are truth' Most of God's words are not in the bibles of course.

= "God esteems His word, above His Name".

Sure. But the psalmist doesn't say 'For thou hast magnified the bibles above all thy name'.

So, you are listening to voices, or "leadings" or who knows what..... while you do not use the "word of Truth", The Holy Bible, for years, you told us.
= Thats a real problem for you, that we have realized.

Do I consult the word of truth, the word of God that comes from the mouth of God? Every day in fact. The Holy Spirit reveals it to me. From time to time the Spirit of Truth uses God's words, His expressed thoughts contained in scriptures.

 

[One 2 question]

"Thy words are Spirit and Life".

Jesus said, It is the Spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing. The words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Jesus didn't add, The words in the bible that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

 

[St. SteVen]

You are a great source for humorous comparisons. Thanks.

"Thy words are Spirit and Life".

Not all of them.

LOL
According to YOUR logic.

If NOT all Bibles are from God, then not all biblical words "are Spirit and Life".
Right?

Is there a more direct source? Without the human filter? (ask @One 2 question )

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[Behold]

Where did YOU get this information that says, 'the Bible contains all the Truth of God that He wants us to know'? I've never read this in any bibles.

The Bible explains itself as 'thy word is Truth".........not some truth.

Also, Jesus is THE Truth......John 14:6.......and Jesus wrote the Bible. Men just wrote it down.

"In Jesus are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge"..... = See any real bible for ALL of it.

"well behold i was taught that men were under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, who wrote the bible".

"The LORD is THAT Spirit".

See..........The "Temple of the Holy Spirit".......is a CHRISTIAN........and that is "Christ in YOU, the hope of Glory".

Agreed. 'Not the bibles are truth' Most of God's words are not in the bibles of course.

All the words that God wants us to learn, as revelation, are found in a Bible.
Every verse in a Bible is God talking to the Reader, spiritually, and often literally, and sometimes symbolically or allegorically.
This revelation knowledge can not gained by deluded and deceived people who refuse to use a bible and prefer to listen to inner voices....as you do... @One 2 question

Sure. But the psalmist doesn't say 'For thou hast magnified the bibles above all thy name'.

If God esteems the words in the bible as above His Name, and you want to argue about it, then look in the mirror and help yourself.

Understand?

Do I consult the word of truth, the word of God that comes from the mouth of God?

You consult inner voices..or voices in your head........ and claim its "of God".
Which one?
So your issue is....You are trying to "sound spiritual". @One 2 question
= 100% FAIL
And the proof is that voices inside you.... told you years ago, to stop using a bible.
I consider that crazy... literally. "mental issues"., or demonic.. or "All of the above"......based on you as the literal evidence., according to your posts.
Including your next 200.

 

[Behold]

According to YOUR logic.

The Bible explains itself as "they word is Truth"...... Its also "Light" and "Revelation", and "The Sword of the Spirit".
Its many spiritual things.......and not just ink on a page filled with errors, as carnal devils would have you believe.

If NOT all Bibles are from God, then not all biblical words "are Spirit and Life".
Right?

When we refer to the word of God we are referring to the Bible.
Not all books that have "Bible" written on their cover are real bibles that God would commend.

For example the "Satanic bible".

Or the "Queen James" bible.

Is there a more direct source?

No.

There is the final authority that is the word of God that is spiritually discerned by a Real Christian, that is the Bible's revelation knowledge given to their Inner Man by the Holy Spirit.

Without the human filter? (ask @One 2 question )

God gives "Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Pastors and Teachers".. (and the Bible) for the "Perfecting of the Saints".

 

[St. SteVen]

God gives "Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Pastors and Teachers".. (and the Bible) for the "Perfecting of the Saints".

That looks like a misquote.

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[Behold]

That looks like a misquote.

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KJV : ""So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: NIV So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up New Living Translation Now these are the gifts Christ gave to the church: the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, and the pastors and teachers, Their responsibility is to equip God’s people to do his work and build up the church, the body of Christ.

 

[St. SteVen]

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KJV : ""So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: NIV So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up New Living Translation Now these are the gifts Christ gave to the church: the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, and the pastors and teachers, Their responsibility is to equip God’s people to do his work and build up the church, the body of Christ.

Right. A misquote.
I don't see (and the Bible) in there anywhere.

God gives "Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Pastors and Teachers".. (and the Bible) for the "Perfecting of the Saints".

Your actual misquote. Thus adding to (modifying) the Bible.

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[Behold]

Right. A misquote.
I don't see (and the Bible) in there anywhere.

Your question was related to a "human filter".

So, i posted 5 "human filters for you", and added the "BIBLE", because its created by 40 human filters, under the direct influence of Jesus. (The Holy Spirit).

And only a person who detests the bible, (according to your Threads and posts) would claim an issue with me inserting (..) = and the Bible.
This is no different then the KJV Translators inserting "italics"... in verses.
I use. (>>>>>)...to show the Reader what i may have added.

So, Try to understand, im not a verse poster, in general, im a NT teacher, who opens verses.
So, i teach verses , here, ...........as i would teach them in a classroom.

A real Christian is going to realize that God "gave the bible", and would just move along and keep discussing the point you made that enlisted my inital repsonse.
But you can't, so you revert to the typical hallmark of a religious clown.
"dumb argument, that is pointless".
Same as usual.

 

[David in NJ]

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ALL humans have sinned against God and all are going to hell forever and ever.

You list back and forth like a ship with a hole that is taking on water faster then it can stay afloat.

 

[David in NJ]

That looks like a misquote.

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Misquotes are acceptable as long as they do not add or take away and thereby turning God's Truth into a lie.

SEE Genesis chapter 3 of a misquote that went to HELL

 

[Jack]

That looks like a misquote.

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But you said you don't trust the Bible, remember?