LEFT BEHIND ... what to do?

[rebuilder 454]

Yes all sinners do but they can be saved if they repent just like Paul who was a Pharisee who persecuted the church and at one time rejected Jesus repented and was saved.

I would agree

 

[rebuilder 454]

In you view then, how come Paul who was a Pharisees who opposed and persecuted the church could repent?

Show me where he went up to Jesus and accused Him of casting out demons by the power of satan.

 

[Marty fox]

Show me where he went up to Jesus and accused Him of casting out demons by the power of satan.

I'm not saying that he did but if he thought that Jesus was a false prophet then he would of thought that Jeus' healing power was not from God

 

[Marty fox]

Yes, it is what you are saying.

Its not what I'm saying and you know it, I'm using the scriptures to reveal what the mark actually is, its not forgivable thus it has to be blasphemy of the holy Spirit.

 

[Marty fox]

He did repent and God used him.

I don't get the analogy you make.

What I personally come away with is ALL THOSE PEOPLE ONLINE ATTACKING MEN OF GOD, they have no idea what they are doing.

As far as "are they forever lost"...I would say no, if they repent.

Anytime we deal with spirits, we must be lead of the Lord.

I would never pronounce the unpardonable sin over anyone.
That dynamic does not prevent me from saying exactly what Jesus said about the unpardonable sin.

Remember that guy that Steadied the ark and was stricken dead instantly?
Seems like extreme huh?
Remember Anonias and Saphira?
Struck down dead instantly.
Sounds extreme doesn't it ?
Other places also Where people were struck down dead instantly.
God is a fearful God.
All of that horrible action by God is an example, to know both the blessing, the love, the grace, but also the judgement and terror of the Lord

I John says "anyone that commits sin is of the devil"
It also says, "anyone who says he is without sin is a liar..."

So I have to ask heaven what is going on.

What I was saying is that if the pharisees committed the unforgivable sin then Paul did too but we know that he didn't.

 

[Marty fox]

Marty, the Pharisee's say, "He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils". They did not commit blaspheme against the Holy Spirit because they knew the Holy Spirit. Just like Paul, these Pharisee's accuse Jesus as being under the power of Satan, and cast out devils through his power because they knew the works of the devil are evil and wanted people to deny the power working through Christ.

That's why Christ in essence says, Don't be ridiculous, you know that Satan is not divided, I could not be casting devils out the devils house, else his house would not stand.

The unforgivable sin is not rejecting Jesus; it is rejecting the very POWER of God working through Him. Just as Paul had done when he persecuted the Church, compelling them to commit blaspheme to stop the gospel of the Kingdom of God from progressing. But Christ forgives him because he, like all unbelievers do, did it in ignorance and unbelief. It is only when we have experienced the power of the Holy Spirit in us that we KNOW and have entered the Kingdom of God as it is proclaimed through the message about Christ, the gospel.

Acts 26:9-11 (KJV) I verily thought with myself, that I ought to do many things contrary to the name of Jesus of Nazareth. Which thing I also did in Jerusalem: and many of the saints did I shut up in prison, having received authority from the chief priests; and when they were put to death, I gave my voice against them. And I punished them oft in every synagogue, and compelled them to blaspheme; and being exceedingly mad against them, I persecuted them even unto strange cities.

1 Timothy 1:12-14 (KJV) And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry; Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief. And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

Yes I agree but you also confuse me here because you say that the unforgivable sin is rejecting the very POWER of God working through Jesus which is what Paul did but Paul was forgiven.

 

[Marty fox]

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

I have no idea why you provided those verses, what does that have to do with people who repent? They didn't mention people who repented.

 

[rwb]

Yes I agree but you also confuse me here because you say that the unforgivable sin is rejecting the very POWER of God working through Jesus which is what Paul did but Paul was forgiven.

Paul blasphemed, denying Jesus worked through the POWER of God in Him. But it was forgiven Paul because he did it in ignorance and unbelief. He repented of his blasphemy and received grace. All who blaspheme against the POWER (Holy Spirit) working in man, like Paul, can still be forgiven if they do not remain in unbelief. It is only those who never repent but continue to blaspheme against the POWER of God who shall never be forgiven if they die in unbelief.

 

[ewq1938]

Its not what I'm saying and you know it,

False. You are teaching the mark of the beast can be forgiven and that is a DANGEROUS teaching.

If God forgave Paul for all of that wouldn’t God forgive anyone who truly repents of taking the mark?

Roman’s 10:13

For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”​

 

[Marty fox]

Paul blasphemed, denying Jesus worked through the POWER of God in Him. But it was forgiven Paul because he did it in ignorance and unbelief. He repented of his blasphemy and received grace. All who blaspheme against the POWER (Holy Spirit) working in man, like Paul, can still be forgiven if they do not remain in unbelief. It is only those who never repent but continue to blaspheme against the POWER of God who shall never be forgiven if they die in unbelief.

But that rule applies to anyone who doesn't repent of any sin and die in unbelief thus none repentance (continued rejection of Jesus) as I said is the unforgivable sin.

 

[Marty fox]

False. You are teaching the mark of the beast can be forgiven and that is a DANGEROUS teaching.

No I didn't say that and once again I am clarfiying that it can't be forgiven, i'm trying to show what th emark actually is.

 

[rwb]

But that rule applies to anyone who doesn't repent of any sin and die in unbelief thus none repentance (continued rejection of Jesus) as I said is the unforgivable sin.

Everyone knows that unrepentance through unbelief that continues up to physical death means that person is altogether lost in unbelief. But blaspheme of the Holy Spirit is singled out because it is more than unrepentant sin that leads to death. It is specifically attributing the POWER of God (HS) to the POWER of Satan knowingly. If there is not repentance of blaspheme as we find with Paul, there is never forgiveness. Why? Because blaspheme against the Holy Spirit was not done by those who had no knowledge of the POWER of God. It was being done by Pharisee's who knew and understood the works (miracles) Christ did could only come from God. The Pharisee's knowing the POWER of God to do miracles, were so intent on leading people away from Jesus, that they did NOT say this in ignorance and unbelief, they said this KNOWING God was working through Him. For this there is no forgiveness in this age or the age to come.

John 3:2 (KJV) The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

 

[Marty fox]

Everyone knows that unrepentance through unbelief that continues up to physical death means that person is altogether lost in unbelief. But blaspheme of the Holy Spirit is singled out because it is more than unrepentant sin that leads to death. It is specifically attributing the POWER of God (HS) to the POWER of Satan knowingly. If there is not repentance of blaspheme as we find with Paul, there is never forgiveness. Why? Because blaspheme against the Holy Spirit was not done by those who had no knowledge of the POWER of God. It was being done by Pharisee's who knew and understood the works (miracles) Christ did could only come from God. The Pharisee's knowing the POWER of God to do miracles, were so intent on leading people away from Jesus, that they did NOT say this in ignorance and unbelief, they said this KNOWING God was working through Him. For this there is no forgiveness in this age or the age to come.

John 3:2 (KJV) The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

Okay that is explained better and I agree thanks.

But back to the mark of the beast, if that's unforgivable then what is it exactly according to John 3:16? It can't be a literal mark.

 

[rwb]

Okay that is explained better and I agree thanks.

But back to the mark of the beast, if that's unforgivable then what is it exactly according to John 3:16? It can't be a literal mark.

I'm in agreement with you Marty regarding the mark of the beast. I don't view it as a literal mark either, but mark symbolizing ownership by Satan in the same way being sealed of the Spirit of Christ in not literal but symbolizes ownership by Christ.

 

[Truth7t7]

I have no idea why you provided those verses, what does that have to do with people who repent? They didn't mention people who repented.

Accident, wrong post wrong forum, post deleted

 

[quietthinker]

LEFT BEHIND ... what to do?​

Take some aspirin and go to KFC?

 

[rebuilder 454]

LEFT BEHIND ... what to do?​

Take some aspirin and go to KFC?

You could.
But the bible says they take the mark or die.

 

[Davidpt]

You could.
But the bible says they take the mark or die.

What the Bible does not say is this, that anyone is left behind because of a 'Pretrib' rapture. If I am wrong about that then where does the Bible say that? Therefore, the OP is not valid since it assumes things not even true, that because of a Pretrib rapture we end up with the earth only being populated by those left behind.

Obviously, if there was a Pretrib rapture we would undeniably end up with a planet only consisting of those left behind. That's not in question per that scenario. What is in question is this alleged Pretrib rapture that the Bible knows nothing about. IOW, can't have anyone left behind unless there is a Pretrib rapture first.

 

[Deleted member 26788]

what to do if left here on earth . rejoice ,...........you were not killed off .

 

[ewq1938]

what to do if left here on earth . rejoice ,...........you were not killed off .

Only non-Christians can be part of those who are left/rejected and there is no rejoicing for them at all.