In you view then, how come Paul who was a Pharisees who opposed and persecuted the church could repent?
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Yes all sinners do but they can be saved if they repent just like Paul who was a Pharisee who persecuted the church and at one time rejected Jesus repented and was saved.
Not sure why you're saying this but they don't enter heaven because they are martyred they enter heaven because they are saved just like we are. If not then we enter heaven because of what we do not what Jesus did which we know isn't true.
For example, if one of those left behind believed and died of a heart attack before being martyred would he not enter heaven?
Yes and that is also rejecting the Holy Spirit, remember Paul was rejecting the power of the Holy Spirit in Jesus at one time.
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Irrelevant,. The unforgivable sin is blasphemy of the HS according to the bible, not rejection of the HS.
Rejecting forever is blasphemy its rejecting the Holy Spirit as God.
How do you explain Paul being able to repent?
Hi Marty,
Did Paul reject the Holy Spirit, or did he reject the person (human) whose name is Jesus?
Until the day of his conversion, Paul had no knowledge of the Holy Spirit. Paul, like all the Pharisee's of Old rejected Jesus, a man, because like those of Old, he believed the promised Messiah foretold to come would be like King David with military might. Paul had no understanding of Who Jesus was, until he was on the road to Damascus. And hearing a voice speaking to him from heaven, he then understood that Jesus, whom he was persecuting was, saying "And he said, Who art thou, Lord?"
Acts 9:6 (KJV) And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.
Acts 9:8 (KJV) And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus.
How can fallen man reject whom they do not know? Once our eyes are opened, we follow Christ through the power of the Holy Spirit in us.
Yes but by your standards here you can't blame the other Pharisees either.
What I'm saying here is that rejecting the Holy Spirit is also rejecting Jesus which is the unforgivable sin unless you repent and believe. Thus, the bible reveals to us that unrepentant rejection of the Holy Spirit is the unforgivable sin. These verses below are truth.
Romans 10:13
for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."
Romans 10:9
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life
1John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
None of these verses add at the end unless you receive the mark of the beast.
Marty, the Pharisee's say, "He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils". They did not commit blaspheme against the Holy Spirit because they knew the Holy Spirit. Just like Paul, these Pharisee's accuse Jesus as being under the power of Satan, and cast out devils through his power because they knew the works of the devil are evil and wanted people to deny the power working through Christ.
That's why Christ in essence says, Don't be ridiculous, you know that Satan is not divided, I could not be casting devils out the devils house, else his house would not stand.
The unforgivable sin is not rejecting Jesus; it is rejecting the very POWER of God working through Him. Just as Paul had done when he persecuted the Church, compelling them to commit blaspheme to stop the gospel of the Kingdom of God from progressing. But Christ forgives him because he, like all unbelievers do, did it in ignorance and unbelief. It is only when we have experienced the power of the Holy Spirit in us that we KNOW and have entered the Kingdom of God as it is proclaimed through the message about Christ, the gospel.
Acts 26:9-11 (KJV) I verily thought with myself, that I ought to do many things contrary to the name of Jesus of Nazareth. Which thing I also did in Jerusalem: and many of the saints did I shut up in prison, having received authority from the chief priests; and when they were put to death, I gave my voice against them. And I punished them oft in every synagogue, and compelled them to blaspheme; and being exceedingly mad against them, I persecuted them even unto strange cities.
1 Timothy 1:12-14 (KJV) And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry; Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief. And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
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It's not what the bible says the unforgivable sin is.
How do you explain Moses being able to repent?
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Isn't this something satan would teach? That you can take the mark of the beast but repent of it later and all will be fine? Sounds like a VERY dangerous thing to teach. Gotta love Amill teachings lol
Thats not what I’m saying, your insinuating that I said something that I didn’t say, you can’t repent of the mark, I,m disputing what the mark is
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The mark of the Beast is only applicable to those who follow the Antichrist.
While the people of God will have God's seal on their forehead and on their hand.
“This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the LORD: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.” Hebrews 10:16
People of God are only marked on the forehead.
The bond servants of God in Revelation 7 will have God's seal.
Whole those who were his before the Tribulation unfolds are not on Earth to suffer the wrath.
God has always known his own.
While the people of God will have God's seal on their forehead and on their hand.
“This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the LORD: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them.” Hebrews 10:16
People of God are only marked on the forehead.
The bond servants of God in Revelation 7 will have God's seal.
Whole those who were his before the Tribulation unfolds are not on Earth to suffer the wrath.
God has always known his own.
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He did repent and God used him.
I don't get the analogy you make.
What I personally come away with is ALL THOSE PEOPLE ONLINE ATTACKING MEN OF GOD, they have no idea what they are doing.
As far as "are they forever lost"...I would say no, if they repent.
Anytime we deal with spirits, we must be lead of the Lord.
I would never pronounce the unpardonable sin over anyone.
That dynamic does not prevent me from saying exactly what Jesus said about the unpardonable sin.
Remember that guy that Steadied the ark and was stricken dead instantly?
Seems like extreme huh?
Remember Anonias and Saphira?
Struck down dead instantly.
Sounds extreme doesn't it ?
Other places also Where people were struck down dead instantly.
God is a fearful God.
All of that horrible action by God is an example, to know both the blessing, the love, the grace, but also the judgement and terror of the Lord
I John says "anyone that commits sin is of the devil"
It also says, "anyone who says he is without sin is a liar..."
So I have to ask heaven what is going on.
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All the disciples were martyred except John.
They were saved and martyred.
They "entered heaven" via martyrdom.
Those raptured will enter heaven via a catching up alive and transported into heaven.
Elijah entered heaven via a chariot of fire.
The unsaved do not enter heaven but still enter Hades via death, ( sickness, accident murder etc)
Martyrdom is a door or a vehicle.
Of course they are saved.
I am aware of that.
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