WHAT IS MEANT IN HEBREWS SAYING THERE IS NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR SINS?

[Doug]

Have you ever sinned when you knew you were sinning?

Hebrews 10:26 is not speaking about us. The book of Hebrews is written about believing Israel facing persecution

 

[Behold]

however we can choose to leave......

To become a Chrisitan is to be born again Spirituallly.
You can't stop being born again.
So, a Christian who believe they can lose their salvation, does not understand it.

 

[Behold]

departing from the living God;

departing from the Living God = Is impossible.

New International Version
I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.

New Living Translation
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them away from me,

English Standard Version
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.

Berean Standard Bible
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them out of My hand.

Berean Literal Bible
And I give them eternal life, and never shall they perish to the age, and never will anyone seize them out of My hand.

King James Bible
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

New King James Version
And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.

 

[Behold]

Matt 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

The context here is...

"For God so loved the WORLD">.........so, the entire world is being called to come and Believe., so that is the "Many"..

And in relation to the many, you have those who come to Christ......and that is the "few".

This is the same idea as....... "By one mans sin".. we all became sinners.......and by One Man's Obedience (Jesus on The Cross)... many will be MADE righteous".

 

[Behold]

The willful sin of unbelief is what the author or Hebrews is discussing, after they accepted Christ as their Savior.

Noone in that verse other then the Apostle is A Christian.

You can find the exact same situation, in Acts 28:28, and again its talking to unsaved JEWs.. .(HEBREWS) who are rejecting Christ, and that is why there is "no more sacrifice for their sin"......as they are rejecting = WILLFULLY, the Only SACRIFICE, who is their Messiah.

Reader, if you willfully reject The only Blood Sacrifice that God offers for your sin, who is JESUS on THE CROSS, then where else can you find one to be forgiven?

A.) NOWHERE........as you have "willfully rejected the only Sacrifice'..........and that is what those HEBREWS (Jews) are doing in the verse.

 

[Charlie24]

Noone in that verse other then the Apostle is A Christian.

You can find the exact same situation, in Acts 28:28, and again its talking to unsaved JEWs.. .(HEBREWS) who are rejecting Christ, and that is why there is "no more sacrifice for their sin"......as they are rejecting = WILLFULLY, the Only SACRIFICE, who is their Messiah.

Reader, if you willfully reject The only Blood Sacrifice that God offers for your sin, who is JESUS on THE CROSS, then where else can you find one to be forgiven?

A.) NOWHERE........as you have "willfully rejected the only Sacrifice'..........and that is what those HEBREWS (Jews) are doing in the verse.

It all boils down to OSAS but you know that.

Not going to argue the obvious.

 

[Charlie24]

It all boils down to OSAS but you know that.

Not going to argue the obvious.

What do you make of this, @Behold?

Ezekiel 18:21-24

"But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.

Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord God: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?

But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

 

[Behold]

It all boils down to OSAS but you know that.

Well, obviously, this THREAD is designed to argue about "OSAS",.
Never mind the Title of the Thread, as Forum Heretics love to keep kicking this dead horse.

Now....Here is the thing.

If you have no understanding of The Blood of Jesus, and this means you have no real faith in Christ, therefore you will BELIEVE that you can lose your Salvaiton.
Whereas, If you have REAL faith in Christ then you will understand and believe that Jesus keeps you saved.

REAL faith in Christ, Believes that JESUS who saved you Keeps you SAVED.
False Faith in Christ, believes that Jesus is the Savior, but can't keep you saved. @Charlie24

 

[Charlie24]

Well, obviously, this THREAD is designed to argue about "OSAS",.
Never mind the Title of the Thread.

Here is the thing.

If you have no understanding of The Blood of Jesus, and this means you have no real faith in Christ, therefore you will BELIEVE that you can lose your Salvaiton.
Whereas, If you have REAL faith in Christ then you will understand and believe that Jesus keeps you saved.

REAL faith in Christ, Believes that JESUS who saved you Keeps you SAVED.
False Faith in Christ, believes that Jesus saved you, but can't keep you saved. @Charlie24

What do you make of this?

Heb. 10:14

"For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;"

 

[Behold]

What do you make of this, @Behold?

Ezekiel 18:21-24

"But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

Your verse is OT, and is not talking to the NT Christian Church who are under the New Covenant.

A REAL Christian knows that Salvation is A Gfit from God, and has nothing to do with keepting the Law, or "Statues".

Your Cult has mislead you again, @Charlie24

But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness

Notice that your verse says.....>>"His righteousness"..

Now notice this verse......"There is NONE RIGHTEOUS, no not ONE"..

So, the only way a sinner can turn away from "His Righteousness" which is God's Gift of Rightreousness.......is to Reject Christ and never be born again., and you find unsaved Christ Rejectiong Jews doing this in Hebrews 10:26

NOW, the Christian has been given the "imputed righteousness of God"......exactly the same as God gave it to Abraham.

Like this.....>"""Abraham BELIEVED God, and it (his faith) was counted unto Him as Rightesouenss, and so shall is also be counted unto US.....WHO BELIEVE."""""""""

 

[Charlie24]

Your verse is OT, and is not talking to the NT Christian Church who are under the New Covenant.

A REAL Christian knows that Salvation is A Gfit from God, and has nothing to do with keepting the Law, or "Statues".

Your Cult has mislead you again, @Charlie24



Notice that your verse says.....>>"His righteousness"..

Now notice this verse......"There is NONE RIGHTEOUS, no not ONE"..

So, the only way a sinner can turn away from "His Righteousness" which is God's Gift of Rightreousness.......is to Reject Christ and never be born again., and you find unsaved Christ Rejectiong Jews doing this in Hebrews 10:26

NOW, the Christian has been given the "imputed righteousness of God"......exactly the same as God gave it to Abraham.

Like this.....>"""Abraham BELIEVED God, and it (his faith) was counted unto Him as Rightesouenss, and so shall is also be counted unto US.....WHO BELIEVE."""""""""

OSAS was born from the 5 points of Calvinism. It is deep bedded in the non-Calvinists also.

You can't argue this with them, and I'm not going to try.

 

[Behold]

OSAS was born from the 5 points of Calvinism.

Hyper-Calvinism is Theological Vomit.

TULI"P"

"P" is purserverance of the Saints....and even that is nonsense, as that is once again teaching the false idea that God will cause you to never lose your faith, so in that way, you can't lose your Salvation.
And that teaching is also theological JUNK.


The Reality is.... a Christian is Born again by the Holy Spirit of God, INTO the Spirit of God, and this is an eternal birth that was not caused by your behavior, and can't be change by your behavior.

See, once God accepts our faith...then God does the Rest.
He redeems, and then HE causes the spirutial birth .

"God who began Salvation (in the born again) will HIMSELF be FAITHFUL to complete it".

So, that is Eternal Security.......its the fact that GOD is faithful to complete our Salvation.

This mean that if you are born again, and lost your faith....then :

New International Version if we are faithless, He remains faithful, for he cannot disown himself. New Living Translation If we are unfaithful, He remains faithful, for he cannot deny who he is. English Standard Version if we are faithless, He remains faithful— for he cannot deny himself. Berean Standard Bible if we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself. Berean Literal Bible if we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He is not able to deny Himself. King James Bible If we believe not, yet He abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. New King James Version If we are faithless, He remains faithful; He cannot deny Himself. New American Standard Bible If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself. NASB 1995 If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself. NASB 1977 If we are faithless, He remains faithful; for He cannot deny Himself. Legacy Standard Bible If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself. Amplified Bible If we are faithless, He remains faithful [true to His word and His righteous character], for He cannot deny Himself. Christian Standard Bible if we are faithless, he remains faithful, for he cannot deny him

 

[Charlie24]

Hyper-Calvinism is Theological Vomit.

TULI"P"

"P" is purserverance of the Saints....and even that is nonsense, as that is once again teaching the false idea that God will cause you to never lose your faith, so in that way, you can't lose your Salvation.
And that teaching is also theological JUNK.


The Reality is.... a Christian is Born again by the Holy Spirit of God, INTO the Spirit of God, and this is an eternal birth that was not caused by your behavior, and can't be change by your behavior.

See, once God accepts our faith...then God does the Rest.
He redeems, and then HE causes the spirutial birth .

"God who began Salvation (in the born again) will HIMSELF be FAITHFUL to complete it".

So, that is Eternal Security.......its the fact that GOD is faithful to complete our Salvation.

This mean that if you are born again, and lost your faith....then :

New International Version if we are faithless, He remains faithful, for he cannot disown himself. New Living Translation If we are unfaithful, He remains faithful, for he cannot deny who he is. English Standard Version if we are faithless, He remains faithful— for he cannot deny himself. Berean Standard Bible if we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself. Berean Literal Bible if we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He is not able to deny Himself. King James Bible If we believe not, yet He abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself. New King James Version If we are faithless, He remains faithful; He cannot deny Himself. New American Standard Bible If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself. NASB 1995 If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself. NASB 1977 If we are faithless, He remains faithful; for He cannot deny Himself. Legacy Standard Bible If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself. Amplified Bible If we are faithless, He remains faithful [true to His word and His righteous character], for He cannot deny Himself. Christian Standard Bible if we are faithless, he remains faithful, for he cannot deny him

What then do you make of this from the sowers parable?

Luke 8:13

"They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away."

 

[David in NJ]

Your reply box is messed up, but you talked about skin to skin and their clothes coming off what am I supposed to think?

#1 - This was specifically addressed to male/female procreation = approved and Blessed by God = be fruitful and multiply
There is only one way, on earth, by which God created the multiplication of "man created in the image of God" = male/female

#2 - What do we shed when we leave this earth? = what comes off and what goes on?

 

[JLB]

Is impossible.

New International Version
I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.

New Living Translation
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them away from me,

English Standard Version
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.

Berean Standard Bible
I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them out of My hand.

Berean Literal Bible
And I give them eternal life, and never shall they perish to the age, and never will anyone seize them out of My hand.

King James Bible
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

New King James Version
And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.

You say departing from the living God is impossible.

Then you plainly deny what the scriptures so plainly say.

Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; but exhort one another daily, while it is called “Today,” lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end. Hebrews 3:12-14

Sand exact principle using the same exact Greek word is found in the teaching of Christ.


Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. Luke 8:12-13


This word G868 means to desert or turn away from.

In both cases the emphasis is on departing from Christ while under persecution. Denying Him, renouncing Him, deserting Him in order to try and save your life in order to live a little longer.

Jews persecuted other Jews who became Christians in order to get them to turn back to Judaism, a religion that denounces Jesus Christ as the Messiah.


The entire book of Hebrews was written to Jews to help them gain UNDERSTANDING of who Jesus Christ is.

He is the LORD God of Israel, not just a man. He is God manifested in the flesh.



Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

We are saved when we believe.


But the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. Luke 8:12-13

• who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away

These believed and were saved, but later when they were persecuted BECAUSE they were Christians, they no longer believed, but fell away; departed from Him.


Believe = saved

Believe for a while = saved for a while


Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. 1 Corinthians 15:1-2

• by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.

If you choose to no longer believe and turn away from Christ while being persecuted, then the believing you did by which you were saved, was done in vain.

 

[David in NJ]

Wouldn't this be considered the marriage of the Lamb here

Mat 25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage:
and the door was shut.

Since the wise virgins that were ready went in with him to the marriage, similarly the wife had made herself ready

Rev 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come,
and his wife hath made herself ready.

EXCELLENT scripture/Truth

There are 3 stages to the Marriage

 

[David in NJ]

It is the Time factor that causes this all to seem iffy. Within time we see things unfolding that in God are not, but are in Him "finished" even before the foundation of the world. This perspective is light through the prism of Christ, who He himself is not divided or in process as we would appear to be. This is the illusion of Time in which we are cast for our time of decision--a decision, which in God is a foregone conclusion--"finished."

The answer here, is that when we too can say "I am", we are. Even so, Time by nature hauntingly hold to doubt. Thus, we are told to endure.

In my own case, in my own experience, God took me from not knowing and not believing--passing over any time of believing--to knowing. He did that. I was unknowingly dead, but then and now alive. Having done nothing and given no opportunity or time to doubt--literally removed from time, then returned to it knowing. It is with and in that timeless knowledge that I now have no choice but to speak. Still, though it was given to me, none of it is mine except in Him.

As for the Bride, first comes the marriage--which is salvation--then comes the wedding feast. Therefore He said in the order in which it comes, "Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me."

There are 3 Stages of the Marriage as declared by the Holy Spirit in the Scriptures

The last Stage is a Cumulative Embrace = Matt 24:29-31, 1st & 2nd Thess, 1 Cor ch15 , Revelation chapters 19 thru 21

 

[Behold]

What then do you make of this from the sowers parable?

Luke 8:13

"They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root,

Read your verse carefully.

Your verse says they "have no ROOT".

This is a symbolic meaning........"ROOT">

And who is the "ROOT"?

A.) Jesus is the ISAIAH 11 = "ROOT of Jessie".

So, this means the person has no JESUS in Them........He is not....."Christ IN YOU" for them.
They are not actually born again.
They are not actually become a Christian.

 

[Behold]

You say departing from the living God is impossible.

A CHRISTIAN is "one with God".

This means they are born again into God., as this is what it means to possess the "NEW BIRTH".

So, a person does not cause this, and they cannot end it.

You can't stop being Born again., as this is an Eternal situation.

Then you plainly deny what the scriptures so plainly say.

Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; but exhort one another daily, while it is called “Today,” lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end. Hebrews 3:12-14

Your verse does not say that if you have a heart of unbelief, you lost your salvation.
It just warns you not to do it.
Because if you do it, you have "fallen from Grace" and that means your faith is ruined, and your walk of faith is ruined, but your Salvation is not effected.

and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. Luke 8:12-13

Once again.........this person has no '""""" ROOT."""""""

And who is the ROOT ??

Isaiah, 11.....>"The ROOT of Jessie" is JESUS........so this person is not born again.....they have no JESUS IN THEM

 

[Charlie24]

Read your verse carefully.

Your verse says they "have no ROOT".

This is a symbolic meaning........"ROOT">

And who is the "ROOT"?

A.) Jesus is the ISAIAH 11 = "ROOT of Jessie".

So, this means the person has no JESUS in Them........He is not....."Christ IN YOU" for them.
They are not actually born again.
They are not actually become a Christian.

They believed and then fell away! It's not rocket science!

Faith is what got you saved and faith is what keeps you saved.

Man can turn from that faith.