Jesus Chooses Us

[GodsGrace]

Why would I want to debate it when I already know the other side? I want to learn about the Monergistic side.

This will have to wait till the morning.
Are you not reformed then??

 

[GracePeace]

This will have to wait till the morning.
Are you not reformed then??

I find it hard to believe, given how much I have argued against Monergism, anyone would have to ask me that.

 

[GodsGrace]

I find it hard to believe, given how much I have argued against Monergism, anyone would have to ask me that.

I'm not on here a lot.
I go by what is posted.

So you're going to discuss calvinism with calvinists and so promote it for some reading along?

 

[GodsGrace]

With no push back.
Interesting.

 

[GracePeace]

I'm not on here a lot.
I go by what is posted.

So you're going to discuss calvinism with calvinists and so promote it for some reading along?

No, I'm interested in Calvinism because I think it has benefit to it.

 

[GracePeace]

With no push back.
Interesting.

I already know the other side. I don't need convincing about it.

 

[Fred J]

Just to save misunderstanding, do you mean that all who are monergists, in other words, those who believe that salvation is God's work, are "truly not born again?" Or did you rather mean that there are some people who call themselves monergists who are not really born again?

For example, if 'mobergists' believe the salvation is GOD and the Holy Ghost work.

So the Son who took on flesh didn't contribute anything to the work of salvation?

 

[GodsGrace]

No, I'm interested in Calvinism because I think it has benefit to it.

What is the benefit ?

 

[David Lamb]

For example, if 'mobergists' believe the salvation is GOD and the Holy Ghost work.

So the Son who took on flesh didn't contribute anything to the work of salvation?

No I don't think that monergists believe that God the Son didn't contribute anything to the work of salvation, but that the work of salvation is the triune God's work, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

 

[Marvelloustime]

That be the key all right . to remain in fellowship WITH HIM .
SO TELL ME
can we walk and have fellowship in and with d arkness and with CHRIST . NO.
can we sit at the table of darkness and light . NO
LIGHT does not find or try and see what darkness has in COMMON WITH IT .
LIGHT EXPOSES DARKNESS .
LET us remember that well before any desires to run to a table of compromise
that has done all to try and blend the darkness in with THE LIGHT .
NO MORE INTERFAITH
NO MORE ecumincal whoredomes

@amigo de christo

 

[Jack]

Where would you like to start?
Could we say, God is good...all the time?

Yeah!

Could we say, God is particularly fond of all people?
Could we say, God invites the whole human family into his circle?

God made us all EXACTLY as He pleased! Even those who accuse the Bible of being lies!

 

[Fred J]

Thanks for pointing this out Fred J.
GracePeace is a good member here.
It should be known that all threads are open.
However, yes, this thread is inactive because the OP is not following the general idea.
Maybe it's better this way.

Sorry, are you speaking for yourself?

Actually i've backed off and may be i don't understand, thanks anyway.

 

[rwb]

You said this above:

I for one find this doctrine to be very comforting. It brings much peace to know that God will eternally save us according to His will and not my own. If eternal life were left for me to choose Him, I would never be eternally secure in my salvation.


Since you believe God has chosen YOU for salvation....
and you have nothing to do with this choosing....

HOW do you know for sure that you are saved?

Allow me to turn the question back to you. If you are saved because you chose of your own free will to be saved, how do you know you are truly saved? After all, does not the Bible tell us "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:"

I find no comfort in believing that my eternal life is dependent upon my good deeds, because even my good deeds are but filthy rags if I believe I do them because I am just so good! That would be self-deception, because none of us, without the grace of God, are any more righteous than the worst of us.

I know and have complete assurance that I am eternally saved, because I am saved according to God's grace through faith that was imputed to me when I heard the gospel of the Kingdom of God proclaimed in the power of the Holy Spirit!

John 1:12-13 (KJV) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

 

[Fred J]

No I don't think that monergists believe that God the Son didn't contribute anything to the work of salvation, but that the work of salvation is the triune God's work, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Monergism goes wrong in denying that human beings are able to co-operate in the process of regeneration and salvation, for one.

For example, when am born again/from above, am able to 'see' the Kingdom of GOD.

Then when i 'see' and understand, hence i co-operate further to be born of water and of the Holy Ghost.

Fast forward, am not only to be 'hearer' of Jesus' teaching but also a 'doer', which will be liken unto a wise builder.

Am also to workout my own salvation in fear and trembling, and many more.

Unless am a robot or a car, that GOD has take the 'stick' or the 'wheel'.

Don't you think there's something disturbing about their teaching and probably OSAS believe also included?

Thank you

 

[Fred J]

For example, if GOD is in control of everything, it looks like HE chooses who is to be saved and who is to be damned?

This conflicts with Biblically, the GOD who so loved the world, don't you think?

 

[David Lamb]

Monergism goes wrong in denying that human beings are able to co-operate in the process of regeneration and salvation, for one.

For example, when am born again/from above, am able to 'see' the Kingdom of GOD.

Then when i 'see' and understand, hence i co-operate further to be born of water and of the Holy Ghost.

Fast forward, am not only to be 'hearer' of Jesus' teaching but also a 'doer', which will be liken unto a wise builder.

Am also to workout my own salvation in fear and trembling, and many more.

Unless am a robot or a car, that GOD has take the 'stick' or the 'wheel'.

Don't you think there's something disturbing about their teaching and probably OSAS believe also included?

Thank you

No, not a robot or a car, but we are all sinners by nature, and the bible tells as that as such, we cannot receive or know the things of God, and salvation is surely such a thing:

“But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.” (1Co 2:14 NKJV)

That ties in with what Jesus said to Nicodemus about being born again. When we think of our natural birth, there was nothing we could do in the process, and the same is true of being born again.

 

[David Lamb]

For example, if GOD is in control of everything, it looks like HE chooses who is to be saved and who is to be damned?

This conflicts with Biblically, the GOD who so loved the world, don't you think?

No I don't think that. The bible does say that Christians were chosen/elected by God:

“3 ¶ Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly [places] in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,” (Eph 1:3-4 NKJV)

God didn't have to choose who should be damned, because we are all sinners, deserving only condemnation from God. He chose those who by His grace He would save.

John 3:16 says that God loved the world in this way (that's what the word translated "so" means, not "so much"), that whoever believes in Jesus Christ should not perish but have everlasting life.

 

[Fred J]

No, not a robot or a car, but we are all sinners by nature, and the bible tells as that as such, we cannot receive or know the things of God, and salvation is surely such a thing:

“But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.” (1Co 2:14 NKJV)

That ties in with what Jesus said to Nicodemus about being born again. When we think of our natural birth, there was nothing we could do in the process, and the same is true of being born again.

Sort of agree to disagree.

But you can't deny that in co-operation man also make choices whether to respond or not to the Gospel.

That's why all are not saved, if not looks like GOD have favorites and not favorites. and conflicts with the Holy Bible.

Except the Jews who GOD consigned them to disobedience until the full number of Gentiles come in.

 

[rwb]

No I don't think that. The bible does say that Christians were chosen/elected by God:

“3 ¶ Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly [places] in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,” (Eph 1:3-4 NKJV)

God didn't have to choose who should be damned, because we are all sinners, deserving only condemnation from God. He chose those who by His grace He would save.

John 3:16 says that God loved the world in this way (that's what the word translated "so" means, not "so much"), that whoever believes in Jesus Christ should not perish but have everlasting life.

Exactly, and if we read the context of next two verses, we learn you have spoken truth.

John 3:17-18 (KJV) For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

 

[Fred J]

Exactly, and if we read the context of next two verses, we learn you have spoken truth.

John 3:17-18 (KJV) For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Therefore man on his own will have to make the choice to believe or not to believe, and not GOD entirely.