Rapture ... soon?

[Spiritual Israelite]

oh silly one ,locust dont have a queen .they have a king .his name BTW is Jesus.

Are you saying you believe Apollyon/Abaddon is Jesus?

A·polʹlyon The Greek name used by the apostle John to translate the Hebrew “Abaddon” at Revelation 9:11. Apollyon means “Destroyer,” and is given as the name of “the angel of the abyss.” Though most reference works apply this name to some evil personage or force, the whole setting of the apocalyptic vision is to the contrary, as it consistently portrays angels being used by God to bring woes upon His enemies. The use of the related verb a·polʹly·mi illustrates this, as at James 4:12, which says of God: “One there is that is lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy.”
The unclean spirit cast out of a man by Jesus in a synagogue at Capernaum acknowledged Jesus as God’s agent and said: “What have we to do with you, Jesus you Nazarene? Did you come to destroy us?” (Mr 1:24; Lu 4:34) Jesus warned unrepentant opposers among his listeners of the danger of being destroyed. (Lu 13:3-5; 20:16) These and other texts point to the glorified Christ Jesus as the one referred to by this title.
''Apollyon.” The resurrected heavenly Jesus Christ is the “angel of the abyss,” for he holds the “keys of death and of Haʹdes.” In the finale of the universal war of Armageddon he will bind and pitch Satan the Devil and his spirit demons into the abyss of deathlike inactivity. (Rev. 20:1-3) When Jesus was on earth as a man, he was a Hebrew, and now in his capacity as Jehovah’s royal Executioner he is called by the Hebrew name Abadʹdon, which means Destruction. (Job 26:6; 28:22; 31:12; 12:23; 14:19) In the Greek in which the inspired Christian Scriptures were written his similar title is Apollyon, which means Destroyer. This name clearly shows that he comes to the throne at God’s right hand to rule first in the midst of his enemies and to destroy them in execution of Jehovah’s righteous judgment, Jehovah’s judicial decision

Yep, that's what you were saying, alright. Wow. You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. The bottomless pit has a negative connotation. You don't seem to be taking that into consideration here. The bottomless pit/abyss is where the beast and Satan are cast to. Nothing good is cast there. So, the locusts in the bottomless pit cannot possibly be God's angels. They are Satan's angels. Apollyon/Abaddon is Satan because he is the king of the symbolic locusts in the bottomless pit and fallen angels have Satan as their king. Scripture calls them "his angels" (Matt 25:41, Rev 12:9).

 

[Deleted member 26788]

you seam to of forgotten from what book you are reading . there is no angel that actually has the name A·polʹlyon it is a part that Jesus plays in the vision given to John
REV 1:1 '' A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent forth his angel and presented [it] in signs through him to his slave John, 2 who bore witness to the word God gave and to the witness Jesus Christ gave, even to all the things he saw. ''

if you are looking for a story set in reality,, its not in the book Revelation . yes, it does portray the events of the future ,some of it even in the here and now , some in the not so distant future.

 

[Deleted member 26788]

It is the spirit indwelt with the Holy Spirit from Christ that possesses eternal life, and able to freely choose not to sin. Our natural spirit giving physical life to our flesh is also in us, this is the part of man that is of the first Adam of flesh & blood desiring to serve sin that believers must fight against as long as we have the breath of physical life.

one problem,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,eternal life then happens , after the 1000 years. its after that time period that the judgment will then actually be given for eternal life .

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

you seam to of forgotten from what book you are reading . there is no angel that actually has the name A·polʹlyon it is a part that Jesus plays in the vision given to John
REV 1:1 '' A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And he sent forth his angel and presented [it] in signs through him to his slave John, 2 who bore witness to the word God gave and to the witness Jesus Christ gave, even to all the things he saw. ''

if you are looking for a story set in reality,, its not in the book Revelation . yes, it does portray the events of the future ,some of it even in the here and now , some in the not so distant future.

Since I was the last one to reply to you, I assume this was meant for me? What evidence do you have to suggest that God's angels would ever be portrayed as being in the bottomless pit (abyss)? We can see descriptions of Satan being cast to the bottomless pit and the beast being in the bottomless pit. That strongly suggests that the bottomless pit is a place related to evil entities, not to God's angels. Apollyon is not Jesus. That is one of the most ludicrous claims I've ever seen. Please ask God for wisdom (James 1:5-7).

 

[Deleted member 26788]

Apollyon is not Jesus. That is one of the most ludicrous claims I've ever seen. Please ask God for wisdom (James 1:5-7).

does it accrue to you that Jesus acting the part of Apollyon is the acting jailer, as the jailer he has the key ,he let them out. in reality the one's that are the locust were jailed with little probity of ever getting released .they did however get out and multiplied. then Court case after case they were Exonerated from the charges.

 

[Douggg]

does it accrue to you that Jesus acting the part of Apollyon is the acting jailer, as the jailer he has the key ,he let them out. in reality the one's that are the locust were jailed with little probity of ever getting released .they did however get out and multiplied. then Court case after case they were Exonerated from the charges.

Revelation 9:11 indicates that Apollyon is an angel of the bottomless pit (a prison so to speak for evil angels). He will be a king over the flesh tormenting locust creatures, leading the attack on humans. The attack to torment humans is the first woe (of three woes) revealed in Revelation to the inhabiters of the earth (Revelation 8:13).

The time period of the locust tormenting humans will be 5 months. One of 15 time of the end time frames given the bible (see the second chart down below).

Apollyon wiil be released from the bottomless pit at the same time the locust creatures are.

Satan, the star that falls from heaven in Revelation 9:1, at that time will be given the key to the bottomless pit to allow the locust creatures and Apollyon out. Whether that key is only for one part of the bottomless pit is not known.

In Revelation 12:7-9, in the middle of the 7 year 70th week, Satan will be cast down to earth from the second heaven. In Revelation 12:12, it says he will have great wrath because of it - "woe to the inhabiters of the earth" in the text (the third woe revealed in Revelation). Knowing that his time is short. Only a time/times/ half time left (Revelation 12:14).

 

[ewq1938]

When the soul (in heaven) is reunited with the transfigured body, it will be considered immortal...Rem. The body never was immortal but the Soul and Spirit were and are and will be.

The soul and spirit are not immortal but can be made to be immortal.

 

[Douggg]

The soul and spirit and not immortal but can be made to be immortal.

Salvation is two part redemption.

1. Redemption of the soul - the moment when a person prays to God seeking forgiveness for their sins by belief in Jesus's death and resurrection for atonement of their sins. Their soul at that moment is "born again".

2. Redemption of the body - the transformation of the person's body either by resurrection or rapture.

1Thessalonians5:
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.

 

[ewq1938]

Salvation is two part redemption.

None of that was being discussed.

 

[Douggg]

None of that was being discussed.

You wrote - "The soul and spirit are not immortal but can be made to be immortal."

A person can only be made immortal by Salvation in Christ.

Salvation is two part redemption.
1. Redemption of the soul - the moment when a person prays to God seeking forgiveness for their sins by belief in Jesus's death and resurrection for atonement of their sins. Their soul at that moment is "born again".

2. Redemption of the body - the transformation of the person's body either by resurrection or rapture.

 

[Bladerunner]

The soul and spirit are not immortal but can be made to be immortal.

then why does the body die and the souls go to heaven or hell to await their reunification.

 

[Deleted member 26788]

then why does the body die and the souls go to heaven or hell to await their reunification.

ya got to remember when ya are making thing up every thing works

 

[ewq1938]

then why does the body die and the souls go to heaven or hell to await their reunification.

Because the first death is only death of the body. The soul and spirit remain alive until a resurrection where the unsaved will die a second time but this time the soul/spirit will also die, known as the second death at the GWTJ/LOF. Saved souls will be granted immortality for the first time when the saved are judged which happens at a dif time but proves the soul/spirit are not immortal before being made immortal.

 

[Deleted member 26788]

Because the first death is only death of the body. The soul and spirit remain alive until a resurrection where the unsaved will die a second time but this time the soul/spirit will also die, known as the second death at the GWTJ/LOF. Saved souls will be granted immortality for the first time when the saved are judged which happens at a dif time but proves the soul/spirit are not immortal before being made immortal.

there is a problem with that thought .....you are a soul ,even your cat or dog is a soul

 

[Bladerunner]

Because the first death is only death of the body. The soul and spirit remain alive until a resurrection where the unsaved will die a second time but this time the soul/spirit will also die, known as the second death at the GWTJ/LOF. Saved souls will be granted immortality for the first time when the saved are judged which happens at a dif time but proves the soul/spirit are not immortal before being made immortal.

well your almost there. When the Body dies what keeps the soul and spirit alive? do you feed it,,,water it,,,,,let me know, guess I need to stock up. Do we live at home or have to go some where else...and how do we get there. You see, the soul and spirit are the essence of each of us.....Like Data files in a computer diskette...the Diskette weighs a certain weight yet one can fill it up with data and it will not weigh no more than it did in the beginning....Same with our body and Soul. The Body is container that is Mortal meaning it can die.....the Soul is immortal which is why for all non-believers, the soul is placed into the lake of fire and brimstone. If it dies, then there would be no eternity in this lake.....So it does not die, Thus the Lake of Fire and Brimstone is for an eternity, forever with those souls in it....forever. wishing they could die every minute.

 

[ewq1938]

the Soul is immortal

No, it isn't.

Mat_10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

 

[ewq1938]

there is a problem with that thought .....you are a soul ,even your cat or dog is a soul

Soul has a few definitions.


1: The word soul is an old English term that could be used in place of the word "person" or "human being". Basically if you had a soul you could be called a soul.


2: The word soul can be a reference to the human body.


3: The word soul is also the spiritual part of human beings (it's moral and emotional aspect), and survives death and will wait for a physical body to inhabit again at the resurrection.


1Th_5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Here we have all the parts that comprise a whole person:

body
soul
spirit


The soul above is definition 3.


1Pe_3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

Here soul is speaking of all three, body soul and spirit together as a complete person. This would be a soul as in definition 1 and 2.


Human beings have a soul and a spirit and a body. Colloquially a person is a "soul" but a different type of soul than the soul within us.

 

[Deleted member 26788]

destroy both soul and body

is almost to say a person then never existed . so complete the destruction there is no memory of that person. that's some serious gone !

 

[Deleted member 26788]

soul ,person , creature ,being . words that are synonymous

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

A·polʹlyon The Greek name used by the apostle John to translate the Hebrew “Abaddon” at Revelation 9:11. Apollyon means “Destroyer,” and is given as the name of “the angel of the abyss.” Though most reference works apply this name to some evil personage or force, the whole setting of the apocalyptic vision is to the contrary, as it consistently portrays angels being used by God to bring woes upon His enemies. The use of the related verb a·polʹly·mi illustrates this, as at James 4:12, which says of God: “One there is that is lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy.”
The unclean spirit cast out of a man by Jesus in a synagogue at Capernaum acknowledged Jesus as God’s agent and said: “What have we to do with you, Jesus you Nazarene? Did you come to destroy us?” (Mr 1:24; Lu 4:34) Jesus warned unrepentant opposers among his listeners of the danger of being destroyed. (Lu 13:3-5; 20:16) These and other texts point to the glorified Christ Jesus as the one referred to by this title.
''Apollyon.” The resurrected heavenly Jesus Christ is the “angel of the abyss,” for he holds the “keys of death and of Haʹdes.” In the finale of the universal war of Armageddon he will bind and pitch Satan the Devil and his spirit demons into the abyss of deathlike inactivity. (Rev. 20:1-3) When Jesus was on earth as a man, he was a Hebrew, and now in his capacity as Jehovah’s royal Executioner he is called by the Hebrew name Abadʹdon, which means Destruction. (Job 26:6; 28:22; 31:12; 12:23; 14:19) In the Greek in which the inspired Christian Scriptures were written his similar title is Apollyon, which means Destroyer. This name clearly shows that he comes to the throne at God’s right hand to rule first in the midst of his enemies and to destroy them in execution of Jehovah’s righteous judgment, Jehovah’s judicial decision

Ahhhh, that explains a lot, you are a Jehovah Witness, a non- Trinitarian. Did you cut and paste this from a The Watchtower publication?
Jesus is not Michael, nor is he Abaddon, a fallen angel from the Bottomless Pit who has been locked up there since God put him there along with a couple hundred million demons. And this passage suggests he is the King of the Bottomless Pit.
However, Angels are under Jesus command whether fallen or in His army in Heaven, led by Michael and in this Great Tribulation scenario, all are inflicting judgments and wrath from God. JESUS IS GOD.
If and when you see Jesus face to face, one of my special requests of Him is to first introduce all the Jehovah Witnesses to Michael, who will show up right alongside Him. Then you'll understand ... wow ... that's going to be enlightening!
When will that happen? I'm thinking that JW's will be left behind, like the remnant Jews who will he saved during the Great Tribulation ( Rom. 11). They will see Jesus and realize He is their Messiah and mourn over that big blunder.
The next BIG error that the JW's possess would be about the Holy Spirit, WHO IS GOD, A PERSON, Who dwells in Christians who have been baptized by Him and have this comforting and loving relationship with Him. This is the essence of what it means to be :born again", which when you realize all this you'll become.